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'[OT] Don't you BUY no ugly truck - 2005 Studebaker'
2004\12\08@005421 by Russell McMahon

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It's hard to know whether it will make Hummer owners cower or laugh.

       http://www.avantimotors.com/studespecific.htm

"Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion.
It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and torque, and at
lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs).

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2004\12\08@050409 by Philip Pemberton

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         Russell McMahon <spam_OUTapptechTakeThisOuTspamparadise.net.nz> wrote:

> "Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion.
> It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and torque, and at
> lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs).

1) It's damn ugly
2) It's far too big (IMO). My money's on people buying these things just to
  do the daily school run. Yuck. (yes, there are a lot of people round here
  that own 4x4s (or what I suppose Americans would call SUVs), nearly all of
  them are used by parents to take their kids to school, even though the
  local school is within walking distance).
  I've no objections to people owning 4x4s, as long as no other vehicle is
  suitable - I realise agricultural sites would have a legitimate use for
  a 4x4, but someone who just wants to take the kids to school... Ngh...
3) I guess that thing will probably do, what, 10mpg tops? Ugh. What a
  waste...
 
I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON...
 
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2004\12\08@051333 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>On Behalf Of Russell McMahon
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>Subject: [OT] Don't you BUY no ugly truck - 2005 Studebaker XUV
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>It's hard to know whether it will make Hummer owners cower or laugh.
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>        http://www.avantimotors.com/studespecific.htm
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>"Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion.
>It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and
>torque, and at
>lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs).

Well, it's only 11% smaller displacment and it's turbo charged.  Stick a
turbo on the 6.8litre petrol engine and it also would be producing some
impressive torque figures!

It is *stupendously* ugly though.  Having said that, the convertables
aren't really any better.

Regards

Mike

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2004\12\08@051343 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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No flames from this direction, I totaly agree.

Mike

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2004\12\08@083657 by Lawrence Lile

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> I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON...
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Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to work in the morning.  Why, just the other day, I was consumed by road rage, and rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who happened to pull out in front of me and cut me off.  So much for HIS car!  I had nary a scratch. It is my god given right to have a vehicle that can plow anything off the road in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow, or schoolbus.  And if it only gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That just shows how rich I am, proving I am important, and proving Americans are the most important people anywhere. So what if everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes? When I am driving over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage do they get then?  Huh?  Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs!

<sarcasm off>



-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.
Who rode his bike to work today, with a PIC powered high intensity LED light built into the helmet, thinking about servo driven steering.  



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2004\12\08@094930 by Peter Moreton

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There is a real anti-4x4 thing going on in the UK now, with the 'Campaign
against urban 4x4s' stopping people at road junctions and issuing them with
fake parking tickets asking them to re-consider there use of such vehicles.

In the main, I agree that the innapropriate use of 4x4's should be
discouraged, HOWEVER, in my household we have a sensible economic car, (for
me) and an Isuzu 4x4 (for my wife). The Isuzu goes off road every day, to
get to my wife's horses & goats, which are kept in a field. The Isuzu is
consequently plastered with mud, and full of straw and so far I haven't been
asked by any of the tree-huggers if 'I really need that four by four' (It's
rather obvious that we do!)

Finally, our 4x4 is a diesel and does 30mpg, which is a lot more than say, a
BMW 740 / Jag XKR, Big Merc etc etc. It would make more sense if the
aformentioned huggers would be campaign against all types of vehicle that
guzzle hydrocarbons excessively, and not focus on whether the car has 2 or 4
driven wheels.

Just my (humble) opinion!

Peter Moreton



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2004\12\08@100503 by Mike Hord

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> Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to
> work in the morning.  Why, just the other day, I was consumed by
> road rage, and rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who
> happened to pull out in front of me and cut me off.  So much for HIS
> car!  I had nary a scratch. It is my god given right to have a vehicle
> that can plow anything off the road in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow,
>or schoolbus.  And if it only gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That
> just shows how rich I am, proving I am important, and proving
> Americans are the most important people anywhere. So what if
> everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes? When I am driving
> over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage do they
> get then?  Huh?  Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs!

You're making a joke, Lawrence, but you aren't too far off from the truth.

I saw a man in an SUV literally run a family in a sedan off the road the
other day.  Literally off the road, until the two right hand wheels were on
the turf past the shoulder.  Times like that, I'm glad I have the Highway
Patrol phone number in my cell phone.  ;-)

I think these large SUVs (and big pickup trucks, too) tend to have
extend that feeling of invincibility that teenagers have.  And that sucks
for those of us driving smaller cars.

Mike H., who walks to work every day (to offset his tiny little Subaru
Forester which makes him feel guilty [@28 mpg]).
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2004\12\08@102552 by Dal Wheeler

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Don't worry, I'll drive a little extra to make up for your lack of petroleum
usage.  :)



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hord
who walks to work every day (to offset his tiny little Subaru
Forester which makes him feel guilty [@28 mpg]).


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2004\12\08@175153 by Lawrence Lile

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Got a real case of Road Rage right up close and personal yesterday.  A guy was not pleased by some nuance of my vehicular driving skill, and followed me for several blocks flashing his lights.  I stopped at a grocery store, and he got out and proceeded to insult my ancestry, parentage, questioned why my vehicle was not in a scrapyard, and so on, mostly incoherently. This display was all done in front of his kids who were sitting in the car at the time.  I was wondering if he was going to clobber me.  I wisely ignored him, as I was on a Fathead-Free Diet that day.  I am sure his kids now have an excellent example of mature, rational adult behaviour to clock their own actions against.  

Next time I feel like flipping off somebody on the road, I'll try to remember this grown-up schoolyard bully and how ridiculous and pointless he was.


-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.

> You're making a joke, Lawrence, but you aren't too far off from the truth.
>
> I saw a man in an SUV literally run a family in a sedan off the road the
> other day.  Literally off the road, until the two right hand wheels were
> on
> the turf past the shoulder.  Times like that, I'm glad I have the Highway
> Patrol phone number in my cell phone.  ;-)
>

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2004\12\08@175827 by Dal Wheeler

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Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)

-----Original Message-----
>From Lawrence Lile
Got a real case of Road Rage right up close and personal yesterday.  A guy
was not pleased by some nuance of my vehicular driving skill, and followed
me for several blocks flashing his lights.  I stopped at a grocery store,
and he got out and proceeded to insult my ancestry, parentage, questioned
why my vehicle was not in a scrapyard, and so on, mostly incoherently. This
display was all done in front of his kids who were sitting in the car at the
time.  I was wondering if he was going to clobber me.  I wisely ignored him,
as I was on a Fathead-Free Diet that day.  I am sure his kids now have an
excellent example of mature, rational adult behaviour to clock their own
actions against.  

Next time I feel like flipping off somebody on the road, I'll try to
remember this grown-up schoolyard bully and how ridiculous and pointless he
was.

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2004\12\08@185328 by Lawrence Lile

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> Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)
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I think he didn't like my bumper stickers.

-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.

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2004\12\08@231216 by Russell McMahon

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>> Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)

> I think he didn't like my bumper stickers.

Just think of the problems I'd have over there :-)


           RM


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2004\12\08@233053 by redtock8

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Ok, we want to know what they say,
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2004\12\08@233638 by Denny Esterline

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Hey, that's what you get for sporting a "My AVR can kick your PIC's butt"
bumper sticker. :o)

-Denny



> > Heh, what'd you do to insight this?  :)
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> I think he didn't like my bumper stickers.
>
> -- Lawrence Lile, P.E.


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2004\12\09@030943 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> Hey, that's what you get for sporting a "My AVR can kick your
> PIC's butt" bumper sticker. :o)

I recall a Dutch cartoon about two guys in very sporty cars in a traffic
jam. "can your car go XXXX  too?" with big empathis on *can*. so:

"My AVR could kick your PIC's butt, too bad it's not available any more"

Wouter van Ooijen

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2004\12\09@081608 by Lawrence Lile

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> Ok, we want to know what they say,
>

Sorry, Politics is taboo on the PIClist.  If I told you, I'd have to be kicked out. Some of you guys would WANT me kicked out.  

-- Lawrence Lile, P.E.


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2004\12\09@101943 by Bradley Ferguson

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:11:03 -0600, Lawrence Lile <spamBeGonellilespamBeGonespamprojsolco.com> wrote:
> > Ok, we want to know what they say,
> >
>
> Sorry, Politics is taboo on the PIClist.  If I told you, I'd have to be kicked out. Some of you guys would WANT me kicked out.

Perhaps you could get away with posting it ROT13'd?

Bradley
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2004\12\09@111307 by William Couture

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:19:42 -0600, Bradley Ferguson <TakeThisOuTbradleyeeEraseMEspamspam_OUTgmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:11:03 -0600, Lawrence Lile <RemoveMEllilespamTakeThisOuTprojsolco.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, we want to know what they say,
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, Politics is taboo on the PIClist.  If I told you, I'd have
to be kicked out. Some of
>>you guys would WANT me kicked out.
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> Perhaps you could get away with posting it ROT13'd?

Too insecure.  Try double ROT13 if you want real security.

Bill

p.s.  Yes, it's a joke!
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2004\12\23@011832 by Dave VanHorn

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At 08:31 AM 12/8/2004, Lawrence Lile wrote:

> > I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON...
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>
>Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to work in
>the morning.  Why, just the other day, I was consumed by road rage, and
>rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who happened to pull out in front
>of me and cut me off.  So much for HIS car!  I had nary a scratch. It is
>my god given right to have a vehicle that can plow anything off the road
>in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow, or schoolbus.  And if it only
>gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That just shows how rich I am,
>proving I am important, and proving Americans are the most important
>people anywhere. So what if everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes?
>When I am driving over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage
>do they get then?  Huh?  Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs!
>
><sarcasm off>


Looks like tomorrow, I'll be using my large dangerous SUV with cell phone,
ham radio, and strobes, to get through the 12-18" of snow, and once again
deliver medications to shut-ins, and patients to and from dialysis sessions.

It's not "tornado season" so I won't be sitting out in muggy weather for
hours at a time, hoping to give a few more minutes warning to the community.

< :) >

That studebaker though... YECCCCHHHHH..


BTW: I've solved my workspace organization problem. Just closed on two houses.
The one I'm living in, plus a small 2Br next door, which is to be my office.
Nice, separately metered and therefore tax deductible utilities!

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2004\12\23@030338 by Russell McMahon

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> Looks like tomorrow, I'll be using my large dangerous SUV with cell phone,
> ham radio, and strobes, to get through the 12-18" of snow, and once again
> deliver medications to shut-ins, and patients to and from dialysis
> sessions.

Is this your day job or after hours recreation? :-)

   RM

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2004\12\23@084450 by Dave VanHorn

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At 02:33 AM 12/23/2004, Russell McMahon wrote:

>>Looks like tomorrow, I'll be using my large dangerous SUV with cell
>>phone, ham radio, and strobes, to get through the 12-18" of snow, and
>>once again deliver medications to shut-ins, and patients to and from
>>dialysis sessions.
>
>Is this your day job or after hours recreation? :-)

Volunteer thing.

2004\12\23@095106 by Bob Ammerman

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I've seen an awful lot of messages go by on this thread...

I am not a fan of SUVs (couldn't imaging owning one), but I really don't get
why everybody thinks this one is particularly ugly.

Personally I kind of like it.

Well, it takes all kinds, including weird ones like me.

Bob Ammerman
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2004\12\23@162813 by James Newtons Massmind
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See? Living where it snows builds character...

...which is why I live in California...

...I'm already enough of a character.

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