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2006\05\08@062639 by Vitaliy

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>> "Kev Pearce (kevp.com)" <spam_OUTlistsTakeThisOuTspamkevp.com> wrote:  Hi,
>>
>> I'm very close to having finished my first semi commericial poject [
>> amatuer
>> but to sell on ebay ;-) ].
>>
>> It all fits in a small plastic box/housing 120mm x 50mm.
>> User input/output is via a 2x16 LCD a couple of LEDs and some small panel
>> mounted toggle/push switches.
>>
>> My problem is how do I present this in the box and make it look worth the
>> money?

>
> Don't know any specifics but I keep getting mail from them at work
> with examples of what they can do.

Full-color (CMYK) overlays from NFI are quite expensive in small quantities:
approximately $22/each for an overlay approximately 2"x1.5" in size, for a
quantity of 50. However, it quickly drops: $6 for 100, $1 for 1000. There is
a one-time charge for the tooling that they use to cut out the overlay.

If the OP doesn't need full color, the overlay may be produced much cheaper.
What the printer does, is actually quite simple. They take a piece of
polycarbonate, apply the silkscreen, and slap on the adhesive backing. Which
makes me think that inkjet transparencies may work, too -- you just need to
find the right kind of adhesive backing (try 3M).

Vitaliy

2006\05\08@073456 by Russell McMahon

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>>> My problem is how do I present this in the box and make it look
>>> worth the
>>> money?


How much does it sell for?

Did you consider and reject my label suggestion?

Laser or inkjet print. Quality limited only by the resolution of your
brain and your printer.

Overlay with "coverseal" plastic (or whatever brands sell where you
are) as used for book covers - various grades available.

Cut to size and shape.

Fix with appropriate glue - good quality PVA works well on many
plastics.

This can accomodate "windows" of eg Mylar with suitable care.
Results can be as good as many commercial products and certainly
better than some/many things sold already.

It's likely that eg 3M have an adhesive that would fix Mylar directly
to your printed label with no ink run and full transparency.



       RM

2006\05\08@081843 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 03:26 AM 5/8/2006 -0700, you wrote:
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Hmm.. $1100 for 50, $600 for 100, $1000 for 1000? Strange pricing. Maybe the
tooling cost is less for 50 pieces because they use a different process
such as laser cutting?

>If the OP doesn't need full color, the overlay may be produced much cheaper.
>What the printer does, is actually quite simple. They take a piece of
>polycarbonate, apply the silkscreen, and slap on the adhesive backing. Which
>makes me think that inkjet transparencies may work, too -- you just need to
>find the right kind of adhesive backing (try 3M).
>
>Vitaliy

Simple but messy (the printing part). As with any surface treatment, there
can be various unpleasant problems depending on the materials and their
condition. The inks we use are not nice to print with, but I've not seen
separation occur yet.

>Best regards,

Spehro Pefhany --"it's the network..."            "The Journey is the reward"
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2006\05\08@101013 by PicDude

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A regular sign-maker (look them up in a phone book) can print graphics for you
on adhesive-backed vinyl.  You supply a graphics file.  Single-color
printing, for approx 8 sq in. has cost me a few dollars each in qty. 50.  
Then can definitely do color, but I'm not sure of prices in that case.  The
printing process is pretty robust, but you can stick a layer of clear vinyl
over this for extra protection.

Alternatively, Avery makes clear adhesive-backed printer sheets, which I use
on an inkjet printer for home-made PCB's.  IIRC they also have some white
sheets for bumper stickers, but I've not used those.

Cheers,
-Neil.




On Monday 08 May 2006 07:29, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
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2006\05\09@034323 by Vitaliy

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From: "Spehro Pefhany"
>>Full-color (CMYK) overlays from NFI are quite expensive in small
>>quantities:
>>approximately $22/each for an overlay approximately 2"x1.5" in size, for a
>>quantity of 50. However, it quickly drops: $6 for 100, $1 for 1000. There
>>is
>>a one-time charge for the tooling that they use to cut out the overlay.
>
> Hmm.. $1100 for 50, $600 for 100, $1000 for 1000? Strange pricing. Maybe
> the
> tooling cost is less for 50 pieces because they use a different process
> such as laser cutting?

I'm sorry, let's try again:

25:    $22/ea ($550)
50:    $11/ea ($550)
100:    $6/ea ($600)
1000:    $1/ea ($1000)

Plus there are fixed one-time set-up and tooling charges. Obviously, NFI
doesn't want to deal with small quantities (<100). Results do look
professional, however.

Vitaliy

2006\05\10@085755 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Alternatively, Avery makes clear adhesive-backed printer
>sheets, which I use on an inkjet printer for home-made PCB's.
>IIRC they also have some white sheets for bumper stickers,
>but I've not used those.

Ooh, do you have the Avery catalogue numbers? I wouldn't mind trying to
chase those in the UK.

2006\05\12@095821 by PicDude

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I'm out of town now, so I can't check the package now, but I believe it is
3276 -- the clear ones.  I remember seeing the white bumper-sticker-like ones
in Fry's, but never bought it, so I don't have a number for those.  That's
also possibly a different brand.

Cheers,
-Neil.



On Wednesday 10 May 2006 07:57, Alan B. Pearce wrote:
> >Alternatively, Avery makes clear adhesive-backed printer
> >sheets, which I use on an inkjet printer for home-made PCB's.
> >IIRC they also have some white sheets for bumper stickers,
> >but I've not used those.
>
> Ooh, do you have the Avery catalogue numbers? I wouldn't mind trying to
> chase those in the UK.

2006\05\12@102202 by Alan B. Pearce

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Re Avery labels

>I'm out of town now, so I can't check the package now,
>but I believe it is 3276 -- the clear ones.  I remember
>seeing the white bumper-sticker-like ones in Fry's,
>but never bought it, so I don't have a number for those.
>That's also possibly a different brand.

OK, I'll see what I can drum up here in the UK. Least that gives me a
starting point.

Thanks

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