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'[OT] Cost of Living Charts?'
2007\10\09@112145 by Josh Koffman

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Hi all. I'm looking to compare the cost of living between Las Vegas
and Toronto. Does anyone know of any sites I could check out? I've
been searching around for a bit but so far nothing concrete. Closest I
came was the ACCRA index but they want to charge me and only seem to
be indexing cities in the USA.

Thanks!

Josh
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2007\10\09@113524 by Martin Klingensmith

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I am not an economist (IANAE?) but I would make the assumption that
rental properties (an average of many) would be a reasonable cost of
living comparison.
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2007\10\09@113555 by Joshua Shriver

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Saw a chart a while back and Toronto was either #1 or #2 best places
to live overall, taking into account job availability, quality of
life, entertainment and resources available.

Just my $0.02 :)
-Josh

On 10/9/07, Josh Koffman <spam_OUTjoshybearTakeThisOuTspamgmail.com> wrote:
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2007\10\09@113556 by Chris Smolinski

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Dunno about Toronto, but right now Las Vegas might be a good place to
consider, since the housing market there has pretty much tanked. If
you've got the cash saved up, or don't need to actually work there.
And if you like the heat. OTOH, if you like it cold, consider
Detroit. The housing market there has really tanked. From what I have
read, people are picking up foreclosure homes at insanely low prices.
Michigan has a high tax rate, though.

>Hi all. I'm looking to compare the cost of living between Las Vegas
>and Toronto. Does anyone know of any sites I could check out? I've
>been searching around for a bit but so far nothing concrete. Closest I
>came was the ACCRA index but they want to charge me and only seem to
>be indexing cities in the USA.
>


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2007\10\09@114740 by Josh Koffman

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On 10/9/07, Joshua Shriver <.....jshriverKILLspamspam@spam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Saw a chart a while back and Toronto was either #1 or #2 best places
> to live overall, taking into account job availability, quality of
> life, entertainment and resources available.

I seem to remember that article as well. The thing is I'm in Toronto
already! What I'm most concerned about right now is cost of living in
Las Vegas. Basically if someone offered me a job there, how much
should I ask for in order to maintain my current way of life. I know
it'll be inexact but I do agree with the idea about rental properties.
Presumably you have to compare apples to apples though, and I don't
know enough about Las Vegas to tell where the expensive and cheap
parts of town are, thus I can' compare pricing just yet.

There's gotta be some economic think tank out there crunching these
questions...right?

Josh
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2007\10\09@115616 by Chris Smolinski

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>I seem to remember that article as well. The thing is I'm in Toronto
>already! What I'm most concerned about right now is cost of living in
>Las Vegas. Basically if someone offered me a job there, how much
>should I ask for in order to maintain my current way of life. I know
>it'll be inexact but I do agree with the idea about rental properties.
>Presumably you have to compare apples to apples though, and I don't
>know enough about Las Vegas to tell where the expensive and cheap
>parts of town are, thus I can' compare pricing just yet.
>
>There's gotta be some economic think tank out there crunching these
>questions...right?

I'm not sure how meaningful such comparison charts are. Like
estimates of the inflation rate, they assume that you have a certain
basket of goods. When I used to drive 500 miles a week to/from work,
gas prices meant a lot to me. Now I drive maybe 15 miles a week, so
it's meaningless. Gas could triple in price, and I wouldn't care
(insert hand waving to ignore the effect on the prices of other
things I buy, I'm just talking about what *I* pay for gas)

I think you'd have to look at actual home/rental prices, for the type
of living space and location you want. If you're trying to decide
between 20 different potential cities/regions to live in, comparison
charts might be handy to narrow things down. But if you're already
trying to compare just two cities, I think you may be at the point
where you need to do your own research, based on what you want.
There's a lot of online real estate listings, for example, you could
use them to figure out housing prices.

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Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

2007\10\09@120134 by piclist

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I've used this before, but I haven't checked to see if it compares cities
outside the US.

http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html


-Mario

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2007\10\09@121657 by alan smith

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swz.salary.com/CostOfLivingWizard/layouthtmls/coll_metrodetail_89.html

see if that helps.  

The housing market is good for buyers right now in LV, its overbuilt.

Also, no state income tax if I recall.


HOT in the summer, pleasant in the winter.  


Chris Smolinski <.....csmolinskiKILLspamspam.....blackcatsystems.com> wrote: >I seem to remember that article as well. The thing is I'm in Toronto
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I'm not sure how meaningful such comparison charts are. Like
estimates of the inflation rate, they assume that you have a certain
basket of goods. When I used to drive 500 miles a week to/from work,
gas prices meant a lot to me. Now I drive maybe 15 miles a week, so
it's meaningless. Gas could triple in price, and I wouldn't care
(insert hand waving to ignore the effect on the prices of other
things I buy, I'm just talking about what *I* pay for gas)

I think you'd have to look at actual home/rental prices, for the type
of living space and location you want. If you're trying to decide
between 20 different potential cities/regions to live in, comparison
charts might be handy to narrow things down. But if you're already
trying to compare just two cities, I think you may be at the point
where you need to do your own research, based on what you want.
There's a lot of online real estate listings, for example, you could
use them to figure out housing prices.

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Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

2007\10\09@123818 by Josh Koffman

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On 10/9/07, alan smith <EraseMEmicro_eng2spam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTyahoo.com> wrote:
> http://swz.salary.com/CostOfLivingWizard/layouthtmls/coll_metrodetail_89.html
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> see if that helps.
>
> The housing market is good for buyers right now in LV, its overbuilt.
>
> Also, no state income tax if I recall.

Helps a bit, but as with the other ones I've looked at, no index for
Toronto (since we're out of the USA). The no state income tax is an
interesting pro. I'd probably be looking to rent rather than buy as
this might be temporary.

Josh
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2007\10\09@145402 by Lenihan.Eugene

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Many houses for rent here in Las Vegas since so many speculators/house
flippers have been burned here when house prices recently stopped their
astronomical gains.  The law of Gravity had not been repealed.

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2007\10\09@204357 by Robert Rolf

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Josh Koffman wrote:

> On 10/9/07, alan smith <micro_eng2spamspam_OUTyahoo.com> wrote:
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>>swz.salary.com/CostOfLivingWizard/layouthtmls/coll_metrodetail_89.html
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>>see if that helps.
>>
>>The housing market is good for buyers right now in LV, its overbuilt.
>>
>>Also, no state income tax if I recall.
>
>
> Helps a bit, but as with the other ones I've looked at, no index for
> Toronto (since we're out of the USA). The no state income tax is an
> interesting pro. I'd probably be looking to rent rather than buy as
> this might be temporary.

And renting, for a short time, will give you time to feel out the
local marketplace and amenities.
e.g. the reason the price is so low is because of the local
crime rate.
Watching the local newscasts can give you a really good idea
of where NOT to live.

R


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