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'[OT] Cleaning fluid'
2006\02\02@143709 by Danny Sauer

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Michael wrote regarding 'RE: [OT] Cleaning fluid- was PCB Layout - Dos
and Do nots' on Thu, Feb 02 at 13:28:
> Your forgetting another large (and growing) class of people,
> semi-literate but incredibly stupid.  That's who these companies are
> trying to protect themselves against.

The companies are protecting themselves from the lawyers who have
convinced that group of people that nothing is actually their fault -
not the people themselves.  I know lots of semi-literate and
incredibly stupid people who understand that their stupidity and
semi-literacy sometimes cause them problems which are no ones fault
but their own - but every "I got a million dollars any my lawyer got 5
because I spilled hot coffee in my lap or slipped on the ice covering
everything outside" story in the news pulls a few more over to the
sue-happy group...

--Danny

2006\02\02@152536 by Padu

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"Danny Sauer" wrote
> The companies are protecting themselves from the lawyers who have
> convinced that group of people that nothing is actually their fault -
> not the people themselves.  I know lots of semi-literate and
> incredibly stupid people who understand that their stupidity and
> semi-literacy sometimes cause them problems which are no ones fault
> but their own - but every "I got a million dollars any my lawyer got 5
> because I spilled hot coffee in my lap or slipped on the ice covering
> everything outside" story in the news pulls a few more over to the
> sue-happy group...
>
> --Danny


That's one of the biggest problems here in the USA. Look at the prices you
pay for healthcare. A great percentage of that is going directly to medical
[liability] insurance companies.

Sometimes it is good to live in a uncivilized world. I remember in my days
of middle school, boys would solve some issues by fighting each other. Now
if your gets into a fight, you may be liable for that.


Padu

2006\02\02@154900 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>Subject: Re: [OT] Cleaning fluid
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>Michael wrote regarding 'RE: [OT] Cleaning fluid- was PCB
>Layout - Dos and Do nots' on Thu, Feb 02 at 13:28:
>> Your forgetting another large (and growing) class of people,
>> semi-literate but incredibly stupid.  That's who these companies are
>> trying to protect themselves against.
>
>The companies are protecting themselves from the lawyers who
>have convinced that group of people that nothing is actually
>their fault - not the people themselves

If people weren't stupid they wouldn't drink it in the first place - no need for lawyers to get involved.  I guess it's like a legal food chain, if the supply of stupidity dries up, the lawyers wither and die.

Regards

Mike

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2006\02\02@160246 by David VanHorn

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>  if the supply of stupidity dries up, the lawyers wither and die.


Well, no hope of that happy outcome...

2006\02\02@162055 by VULCAN20

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>The companies are protecting themselves from the lawyers who have
>convinced that group of people that nothing is actually their fault -
>not the people themselves.  I know lots of semi-literate and
>incredibly stupid people who understand that their stupidity and
>semi-literacy sometimes cause them problems which are no ones fault
>but their own - but every "I got a million dollars any my lawyer got 5
>because I spilled hot coffee in my lap or slipped on the ice covering
>everything outside" story in the news pulls a few more over to the
>sue-happy group...
>
>--Danny
>  
>

Do not forget about the "Finger in the Wendys chili lawsuit"  Turned out
the husband got the finger at work where some one got it cut off.

John

2006\02\02@164115 by Danny Sauer

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VULCAN20 wrote regarding 'Re: [OT] Cleaning fluid' on Thu, Feb 02 at 15:25:
> Do not forget about the "Finger in the Wendys chili lawsuit"  Turned out
> the husband got the finger at work where some one got it cut off.

I guess I should've referred to those people as the "it's everyone
else's responsibility to get me what I want through any means but hard
work" group rather than the "It's not my fault" group.  My bad. :)
I'll work harder to better include liars with idiots in the future.

--Danny

2006\02\02@170504 by Danny Sauer

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Microcontroller wrote regarding 'Re: [OT] Cleaning fluid' on Thu, Feb 02 at 15:44:
> VULCAN20 wrote regarding 'Re: [OT] Cleaning fluid' on Thu, Feb 02 at 15:25:
> > Do not forget about the "Finger in the Wendys chili lawsuit"  Turned out
> > the husband got the finger at work where some one got it cut off.
>
> I guess I should've referred to those people as the "it's everyone
> else's responsibility to get me what I want through any means but hard
> work" group rather than the "It's not my fault" group.  My bad. :)
> I'll work harder to better include liars with idiots in the future.

Today's example - man sues Apple because he lost some hearing from
listening to iPod too loudly.  http://tinyurl.com/arawo

--Danny, only posting all this junk because multicast system imaging
just isn't working right, and it's easier to waste list bandwidth than
to figure out what's wrong with this experimental multicast daemon

2006\02\02@171012 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 12:25 PM 2/2/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>"Danny Sauer" wrote
> > The companies are protecting themselves from the lawyers who have
> > convinced that group of people that nothing is actually their fault -
> > not the people themselves.  I know lots of semi-literate and
> > incredibly stupid people who understand that their stupidity and
> > semi-literacy sometimes cause them problems which are no ones fault
> > but their own - but every "I got a million dollars any my lawyer got 5
> > because I spilled hot coffee in my lap or slipped on the ice covering
> > everything outside" story in the news pulls a few more over to the
> > sue-happy group...
> >
> > --Danny

Ding-ding-ding. Imagine the courtroom scene with a severely disabled
plaintiff, lawyers, jury, and a well-dressed defendant.

"And you DID NOT put a warning label on your product, which you KNEW
to be HARMFUL or potentially FATAL?"
or
"the warning line is less than 1/4 of the size of your company's logo,
and my client was unable to read it.. and you can see the consequences".

They could also probably produce a dozen harmless foodstuffs of similar color.
There's even some drinks that seem to deliberately copy the color of car
antifreeze (florescent yellow/green).

>That's one of the biggest problems here in the USA. Look at the prices you
>pay for healthcare. A great percentage of that is going directly to medical
>[liability] insurance companies.
>
>Sometimes it is good to live in a uncivilized world. I remember in my days
>of middle school, boys would solve some issues by fighting each other. Now
>if your gets into a fight, you may be liable for that.

It's become way too PC for my tastes. My kid got into trouble at school for
calling another a "wuss" because he refused to play on a weaker sports team
(other kids called him a "suck" and worse. I had to counsel him to use words
like "unsportsmanlike" and "inappropriate behavior". They can't say anything
about that-- it's "their" chosen language, though they usually mean "thug" or
"racist" or something like that.

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2006\02\02@173143 by Marcel duchamp

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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> At 12:25 PM 2/2/2006 -0800, you wrote:
> Ding-ding-ding. Imagine the courtroom scene with a severely disabled
> plaintiff, lawyers, jury, and a well-dressed defendant.
>
> "And you DID NOT put a warning label on your product, which you KNEW
> to be HARMFUL or potentially FATAL?"
> or
> "the warning line is less than 1/4 of the size of your company's logo,
> and my client was unable to read it.. and you can see the consequences".
>

Jury: folks so dumb they can't get out of jury duty.
Lawyer: knows how to use 'em.

Local case: fire starts, burns down house. Investigators determine oily
rags left by painter caused fire.

Lawyers find out painter has no insurance or money to seize. They next
go after the paint company (a local outfit).  Eventually, they point to
a local print shop who printed the caution labels on the cans of paint
saying not to leave oily rags laying around.  Labels are exactly as
asked for by the paint shop.

Lawyers convince jury that the font size of the warning label was too
small and therefore the print shop should pay up.  Jury members all nod
heads.


2006\02\02@175132 by Mario Mendes Jr.

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Yeah, I've been thinking of poking myself in the eye with a screwdriver
and filing a class-action law suit against the manufacturer of said
screwdriver for not putting a big glow-in-the-dark sticker on its handle
to tell me that it was not meant for any other use other than tightening
and loosening screws.  Anyone of you who owns a screwdriver can profit
from this too.  Who's with me?  Now where's that phonebook?  I need to
find myself a low life lawyer (no offense to any lawyers in the list's
audience, of course).




-mmj



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2006\02\02@175602 by David VanHorn

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> Lawyers convince jury that the font size of the warning label was too
> small and therefore the print shop should pay up.  Jury members all nod
> heads.


You're supposed to be entitled to a jury of your peers.
i suppose it wouldn't be PC, to ask the judge who those twelve loosers
are...

2006\02\02@202515 by blackcat

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For over 20 years I have dreamed of suing myself.  I want to take
out some liability insurance and make sure I have no assets.  Then
my multiple personalities take over.  Bad Boy #1 makes me do things
like spill hot coffee on my lap or write a litigious article about  
myself.
Angel Lad #2 is so traumatized by these activities that he sues Bad Boy
#1, who admits his guilt and throws himself on the mercy of the court.
AL#2 promises to take care of the repentant and cowed and non-functional
BB#1 with the money that insurance company is morally obligated to  
koff up.
( I would think 2 mil would be fair )
I love the idea of the court room scene where BB#1 and AL#2 are  
questioned.
AGSC

On 2006-Feb 02, at 3:51 PM, Mario Mendes Jr. wrote:

Yeah, I've been thinking of poking myself in the eye with a screwdriver
and filing a class-action law suit against the manufacturer of said
screwdriver for not putting a big glow-in-the-dark sticker on its handle
to tell me that it was not meant for any other use other than tightening
and loosening screws.  Anyone of you who owns a screwdriver can profit
from this too.  Who's with me?  Now where's that phonebook?  I need to
find myself a low life lawyer (no offense to any lawyers in the list's
audience, of course).




-mmj



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2006\02\02@204439 by David VanHorn

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I see absolutely no reason that wouldn't work..

..sigh..

2006\02\03@071526 by Joe McCauley

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Always worth looking at for stuff like this <http://www.stellaawards.com/>

Joe

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2006\02\03@081232 by Dave Lag

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David VanHorn wrote:
> I see absolutely no reason that wouldn't work..
>
> ..sigh..


I'm reasonable sure my insurance company added a clause limiting the
ability of relatives to sue after that landmark case where the
grandparents sued the parents on behalf of an injured child.

2006\02\03@103507 by Mario Mendes Jr.

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This is an interesting scenario.  Let me explain why.  If you commit a crime
and the court accepts that you have multiple personalities and therefore
you're not convicted on the basis of legal insanity, they're basically saying
that your insanity IS in fact PROOF.  In your scenario, it can still be proof,
I think it is just a matter of finding the right lawyer for the job.

Good luck and let us know how you make out =)

-mmj

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2006\02\03@162347 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Mario Mendes Jr. wrote:

> and the court accepts that you have multiple personalities

Wouldn't they want to see a birth certificate of all of them? :)

Gerhard

2006\02\03@170546 by Peter

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> no need for lawyers to get involved.  I guess it's like a legal food
> chain, if the supply of stupidity dries up, the lawyers wither and
> die.

I don't think that they do that. They always profit. They could become
politicans and take credit for the improvement in the situation.

Peter

2006\02\03@171425 by Peter

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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, blackcat wrote:

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This is a great scenario, but it has one tiny, small, insignificant
flaw: no matter who wins and who pays, someone has to pay the lawyer. So
the lawyer will win for sure. So I don't think that you will have any
difficulty finding a lawyer to help you with this. He could even give
you a rebate, and do both the defence and the complaint parts.

Peter

2006\02\03@173708 by Denny Esterline

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This reminds me of a (supposedly true) story.
A lawyer bought a box of very expensive cigars. The he had them insured for,
among other things, fire damage. He then proceeded to smoke them.

You can probably guess where this is going...

He had to sue the insurance company to get them to pay, and (as it was told
to me) the insurance company did loose the case. But he was arrested for
arson on his way out of the courthouse.

-Denny

2006\02\03@175032 by Lindy Mayfield

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www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp talks about this as an Urban Legend. (-:



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Subject: Re: [OT] Cleaning fluid

This reminds me of a (supposedly true) story.
A lawyer bought a box of very expensive cigars. The he had them insured for,
among other things, fire damage. He then proceeded to smoke them.

You can probably guess where this is going...

He had to sue the insurance company to get them to pay, and (as it was told
to me) the insurance company did loose the case. But he was arrested for
arson on his way out of the courthouse.

-Denny

2006\02\03@175556 by Josh Koffman

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On 2/3/06, Denny Esterline <KILLspamfirmwareKILLspamspamtds.net> wrote:
> This reminds me of a (supposedly true) story.
> A lawyer bought a box of very expensive cigars. The he had them insured for,
> among other things, fire damage. He then proceeded to smoke them.
>
> You can probably guess where this is going...
>
> He had to sue the insurance company to get them to pay, and (as it was told
> to me) the insurance company did loose the case. But he was arrested for
> arson on his way out of the courthouse.

Sadly false.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp

Josh
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2006\02\03@180956 by Denny Esterline

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Too bad, it was a fun story.

-Denny


> http://www.snopes.com/crime/clever/cigarson.asp talks about this as an
Urban Legend. (-:
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