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2005\07\22@051527 by Jinx

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Reuters, July 21, 2005, LONDON:

Failed ? No, just 'deferred success'

The word "fail" should be banned from use in British classrooms
and replaced with the phrase "deferred success" to avoid
demoralising pupils, a group of teachers has proposed.

Members of the Professional Association of Teachers (PAT)
argue that telling pupils they have failed can put them off
learning for life.

A spokesman for the group said it wanted to avoid labeling
children. "We recognise that children do not necessarily
achieve success first time," he said.

"But I recognize that we can't just strike a word from the
dictionary," he said.

The PAT said it would debate the proposal at a conference
in Buxton next week

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"children" is too imposing a term. "Deferred adults" ?

Isn't it a (GOOD) teacher's job to keep or get someone
interested in learning ? I find this fascinating, given the
post-series interviews of those who took part in the BBC
programmes "That'll Teach 'em" who said the strictness
and routine book-bashing of 50s 60s and 70s schooling
gave them much-needed achievement satisfaction

Would you get a Nobel Prize for "Attempted Chemistry" ?
(you get something for attempted murder !)

Lose a contract at work ? The boss would be OK with
that because at least you tried. Didn't you ? Or are you
used to getting rewarded for any and every little effort ?

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Related Pommie whining (indicative of how PC Britain has
become ?) from coach Clive Woodward and Blair's ex media
maestro, Alistair Campbell -

As Clive Woodward surveyed the rubble of his British and
Irish Lions tour of New Zealand, he suggested the 3-0 test
series whitewash was irrelevant blah blah blah drivel drivel
drivel

All Blacks coach Graham Henry said Woodward's comments
were poor camouflage for how his Lions had played.

"You can spin it any way you like. What do you do? Do
you not win campaigns leading up to World Cups? It's just
ridiculous"

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And now I'm going back to my "deferred embedding", for
which I expect, even if it all ends in tears and smoke, to be
heralded near and far and showered with the vainglorious
praise I so richly deserve

2005\07\22@055153 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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We were discussing this in the office yesterday.  It is physicaly sickening that these lentil munching, PC do-gooders are even getting inches in the papers.  IMO we need to cull these idiots to ever have a chance of getting the G back in GB.

The "Campaign Against Political Correctness" ( http://www.capc.co.uk/ ) have simmilarly scathing views of these weak minded fools.

John Midgley, Co-Founder of the Campaign Against Political Correctness, said "This eminates from the "everyone must have prizes" school of thought which has bedeviled education for decades and, if adopted, would cause serious damage for future generations of our children.  If a child says that 2 plus 2 equals 5, it is suggested that this should not be called a "failure" but a "deferred success".  According to this theory, if Liverpool had not won the European Champions League or London the bid to host the 2012 Olympic Games these would not have been failures but deferred successes."

Regards

Mike

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2005\07\22@060126 by Russell McMahon

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> Would you get a Nobel Prize for "Attempted Chemistry" ?
> (you get something for attempted murder !)

When Rutherford was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry (for
'splitting" the atom) he commented wryly that he thought that he had
been doing Physics at the time. He, of course,  would. He noted at one
stage that there was Physics and the rest, and that the rest was stamp
collecting. (In fact even Physics is stamp collecting , but most
people don't realise ;-) ).



       RM

2005\07\22@060212 by Peter Onion

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On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 10:51 +0100, Michael Rigby-Jones wrote:

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> >Failed ? No, just 'deferred success'

I've just posted about my problems trying to get my programmer to write
to 18F devices.

I nearly put "18F Programmer deferred success" as the subject but I
thought no one would get the joke !  I guess some readers would have
understood LOL

Peter

PS:  I think PC is doing huge damage to society.



2005\07\22@062352 by Alan B. Pearce

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>When Rutherford was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry
>(for 'splitting" the atom)

Umm, Russell, he did not actually get it for 'splitting the atom'. He had
his Nobel Prize before he did that.

2005\07\22@065408 by Bill & Pookie

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Sad, but I agree with you.

Failure is not bad but first children need successes.  After a few failures
and no successes, one  stops trying.  You can be sure that when Van Gogh
brought his pictures home from school, his mother stuck them on the
refrigerator and gave him praise.

Bill

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2005\07\22@070704 by Jinx

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> Failure is not bad but first children need successes.  After a few
> failures and no successes, one stops trying

If given no attention and encouragement. If you accept that teaching
is done only within schools, and not in the home too. But not every
parent is a teacher of course

> You can be sure that when Van Gogh brought his pictures home
> from school, his mother stuck them on the refrigerator and gave
> him praise

Fridge magnets and the fridge having been invented by da Vinci
for just those occassions

2005\07\22@083551 by Russell McMahon

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> >When Rutherford was awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry
>>(for 'splitting" the atom)

> Umm, Russell, he did not actually get it for 'splitting the atom'.
> He had
> his Nobel Prize before he did that.

True. "Atom splitting" was 1917. 1908 Nobel prize was for "... his
investigations into the disintegration of the elements, and the
chemistry of radioactive substances. "


       RM

2005\07\22@103243 by Russell McMahon

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> Sad, but I agree with you.
>
> Failure is not bad but first children need successes.  After a few
> failures
> and no successes, one  stops trying.  You can be sure that when Van
> Gogh
> brought his pictures home from school, his mother stuck them on the
> refrigerator and gave him praise.

Sadly, no.
Van Gogh sold *one* painting in his entire life, and that was to his
brother. He was discouraged throughout, even though he was certain of
his own genius. I like his quote which goes something like "When you
see the effects that I have achieved, do not wonder if I achieved them
by accident - everything you see was done intentionally".


       RM

2005\07\22@132122 by Bill Cornutt

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My point exactly, just think of how far he could have gone if he had been
encouraged.

Bill

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2005\07\22@132534 by Peter

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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005, Peter Onion wrote:

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All I can do is repeat what I said about political correctness: it's a
way to tell the other side exactly what you mean while avoiding any
chance of being sued over what you said.

Peter

2005\07\23@074615 by Jinx

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Here's some advice Bill Gates dished out at a high school speech
about 11 things they did not learn in school. He talks about how
feel-good, politically-correct, teaching has created a full generation
of kids with no concept of reality and how this misconception sets
them up for failure in the real world

RULE 1

Life is not fair -- get used to it.

RULE 2

The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect
you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.

RULE 3

You will NOT make $40,000 a year right out of high school. You won't
be a vice-president with a car phone, until you earn both.

RULE 4

If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss. He
doesn't have tenure.

RULE 5

Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had
a different word for burger-flipping -- they called it opportunity.

RULE 6

If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine about
your mistakes -- learn from them.

RULE 7

Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now.
They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and
listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the
rain forest from the parasites of your parents' generation, try
delousing the closet in your own room.

RULE 8

Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life has
not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and they'll
give you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This
doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

RULE 9

Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and
very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do
that on your own time.

RULE 10

Television is NOT real life. In real life, people actually have to
leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

RULE 11

Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.


2005\07\23@085728 by Russell McMahon
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> Here's some advice Bill Gates dished out at a high school speech
> about 11 things they did not learn in school.

'fraid not :-(

       http://www.creativeteachingsite.com/gates.htm

But the above does add a few things he (or his ghost writer) did
actually say AND as  a bonus has a picture of his house. He has more
taste than I would have expected ;-)



           RM


Bill & Melinda's place.
I like it - but he was ripped off.

       http://www.goehner.com/gates.htm

some informal specs

       http://anduin.eldar.org/~ben/funny/html/259.html


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