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'[OT] Aspartame madness'
2004\10\11@054643 by Russell McMahon

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A highly conspiracy-theory aspartame-is-death-incarnate
coke-are-covering-up-big-time, the FDA knows , people who were prosecuting
them joined them ...  page.

But disturbing enough that I read a lot of it.

       http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/coca_cola.htm

Claims that Coke recycle dated packs of canned diet coke into
'underprivileged areas, thereby increasing the claimed Aspartame breakdown
toxins is interesting. I assume that all this comes under US freedom of
speech where you seem to be able to say just about anything and get away
with it. The page is about a year old if the 3-11-3 in the heading is a
date.


       RM

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2004\10\11@113210 by Denny Esterline

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Interesting reading. Personaly I've enver been a fan of aspertame /
nutri-sweet. Ever since I was a kid I have a reaction to it, so much as a
stick of sugar free gum will give me a severe blinding headache - enough to
ruin my whole day.

-Denny


> A highly conspiracy-theory aspartame-is-death-incarnate
> coke-are-covering-up-big-time, the FDA knows , people who were
prosecuting
> them joined them ...  page.
>
> But disturbing enough that I read a lot of it.
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>         http://www.worldnewsstand.net/health/coca_cola.htm
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> Claims that Coke recycle dated packs of canned diet coke into
> 'underprivileged areas, thereby increasing the claimed Aspartame
breakdown
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2004\10\11@161514 by Ben Hencke

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If it makes you feel any better about avoiding aspartame, my wife was
addicted to the stuff (2-3 cans per day) and had to go through minor
withdraws when she stopped. She had started to notice patterns of
memory/consentration loss after drinking the stuff. I have never been
able to drink it, I find the aftertaste offensive.

- Ben

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2004\10\11@162333 by Dave VanHorn

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At 03:15 PM 10/11/2004, Ben Hencke wrote:

>If it makes you feel any better about avoiding aspartame, my wife was
>addicted to the stuff (2-3 cans per day) and had to go through minor
>withdraws when she stopped. She had started to notice patterns of
>memory/consentration loss after drinking the stuff. I have never been
>able to drink it, I find the aftertaste offensive.

Whatever happened to "left-handed" sugar?

IIRC there was a lot of publicity about this back some years ago.
A fellow worked out how to synthesize the stuff with the left hand spin, so that it couldn't be metabolized, but it's chemically identical to sugar.  

It would seem to be the ideal solution.

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2004\10\11@192045 by Josh Koffman
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Splenda perhaps? They say it's made from real sugar.

Dunno though.

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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:24:03 -0500, Dave VanHorn <.....dvanhornKILLspamspam@spam@dvanhorn.org> wrote:
> Whatever happened to "left-handed" sugar?
>
> IIRC there was a lot of publicity about this back some years ago.
> A fellow worked out how to synthesize the stuff with the left hand spin, so that it couldn't be metabolized, but it's chemically identical to sugar.
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> It would seem to be the ideal solution.
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2004\10\11@192107 by Cnc002

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In a message dated 10/11/04 4:19:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
brainstarspamKILLspamgmail.com writes:

> If it makes you feel any better about avoiding aspartame, my wife was
> addicted to the stuff (2-3 cans per day) and had to go through minor
> withdraws when she stopped. She had started to notice patterns of
> memory/consentration loss after drinking the stuff. I have never been
> able to drink it, I find the aftertaste offensive.
>
> - Ben
>

At one time, some of the airlines wouldn't allow their pilots to use
Nurti-sweet or other products with aspartame.  I spoke to a pilot with one of Delta's
commuter links and he said they had some pilots develope severe headaches,
some vision problems and they felt the use of aspartame was the likely reason.  
These pilots were, as you said, "addicted" to it and were consuming quite a lot
of it.

Personally, I use Splenda and love it.  It is rather expensive compared to
aspartame or Sweet-n-low.  I am a type 2 diabetic so Splenda was a Godsend for
me.  One of my sons-in-law is a Dr. of Pharmacy and he tells me they have not
found any side effects, yet, with the Splenda.

Just  my two cents worth

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2004\10\11@193111 by Cnc002

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In a message dated 10/11/04 7:24:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
EraseMEjoshybearspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTgmail.com writes:

> Splenda perhaps? They say it's made from real sugar.
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> Dunno though.
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> Josh
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I can vouch for Splenda, I use it.  I am a type 2 diabetic and so far, no
side effects from it.  The main ingredient is sucralose, which is derived from
sugar.

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2004\10\11@195116 by Dave VanHorn

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At 06:20 PM 10/11/2004, Josh Koffman wrote:

>Splenda perhaps? They say it's made from real sugar.
>
>Dunno though.

Chlorinated sugar, I thought.

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2004\10\11@201151 by William Chops Westfield

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On Oct 11, 2004, at 4:31 PM, @spam@Cnc002KILLspamspamaol.com wrote:

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>> Splenda perhaps? They say it's made from real sugar

Being "made from real sugar" means very little, chemically
speaking.  My wife likes splenda as well; I still don't like
the taste, or aftertaste, or something.

BillW

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2004\10\11@224016 by Jake Anderson

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i thaught splenda was a mirror molecule of sugar
tastes the same but your body wont react with it much at all?

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2004\10\11@224607 by Dave VanHorn

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At 09:40 PM 10/11/2004, Jake Anderson wrote:

>i thaught splenda was a mirror molecule of sugar
>tastes the same but your body wont react with it much at all?

http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/

Chlorinated Sucrose.

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2004\10\12@064319 by Russell McMahon

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> Personally, I use Splenda and love it.  It is rather expensive compared to
> aspartame or Sweet-n-low.  I am a type 2 diabetic so Splenda was a Godsend
> for
> me.  One of my sons-in-law is a Dr. of Pharmacy and he tells me they have
> not
> found any side effects, yet, with the Splenda.

Have you tried Stevia?
If you haven't heard of it a googling will be worthwhile.
Stevia Rebaudiana in full, but Googling on Stevia alone works just fine.

It is the major artificial sweetener in Japan and has been used there since
the 1970's.
Used in Sth America for millenia (as it grows there) and grown in Canada in
bulk.
Not approved as a sweetener in the US but can be used as an additive as long
as they don't SAY it is a sweetener etc.

The FDA don't like it, but they don't know why they don't, and even after
decades nobody seems to want to do the requisite testing. I am not aware of
any claimed harmful affects of Stevia. I use it - and may yet be being
harmed by it :-)
FDA "import alert" 2003 vintage



   http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia4506.html


       RM

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2004\10\12@073108 by Russell McMahon

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>> Splenda perhaps? They say it's made from real sugar.

Sugar molecule with one added Chlorine.
I use it and it is amongst the best wrt after-taste. On a par with Stevia.


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2004\10\12@184411 by Cnc002

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In a message dated 10/12/04 6:44:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
KILLspamapptechKILLspamspamparadise.net.nz writes:

> Have you tried Stevia?
> If you haven't heard of it a googling will be worthwhile.
> Stevia Rebaudiana in full, but Googling on Stevia alone works just fine.
>
> It is the major artificial sweetener in Japan and has been used there since
> the 1970's.
> Used in Sth America for millenia (as it grows there) and grown in Canada in
> bulk.
> Not approved as a sweetener in the US but can be used as an additive as long
>
> as they don't SAY it is a sweetener etc.
>
> The FDA don't like it, but they don't know why they don't, and even after
> decades nobody seems to want to do the requisite testing. I am not aware of
> any claimed harmful affects of Stevia. I use it - and may yet be being
> harmed by it :-)
>

Yes I have tried Stevia and it is HORRIBLE, has an awful taste to it.  My  
pharmacy actually carries it.  I think we are talking about the same thing it is
made from a plant and I ended up throwing away the whole box it tasted so
bad.

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2004\10\12@222213 by M. Adam Davis

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It's hard to believe that it costs less to ship packages to a plant,
strip cardboard from the cans, wash the date off them apply a new date,
repackage in new cardboard, and ship back out than it does to make a new
can.  The drink itself is cents per can, the can and packaging costs
very little.  Can it really cost less?

As far as aspartame goes, I'd expect that if the FDA classified it as
dangerous after a period of time then instead of "Best Before" dates
they would require real expiration dates - "do not use after".

But I never liked the taste, so it's not an issue for me.

MMMmmmm, formaldahyde!

-Adam

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2004\10\12@232548 by SM Ling

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On a different note, some info I heard about diabetics control.  A latest
research shown on Japan national TV said that having breakfast early, and
using "sleeping" muscle would help in controling the diabetics level.  The
effect is quite significant, the national TV show a 50% reduction the
measurement on a case study, all these without medications.  (sorry, I don't
know the precise terms)

The aims of these actions are to "wake up" your body early, and "wake up"
more parts of body to control the diabetics.  One example of exercises shown
was back-arch.

Cheers, Ling SM


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2004\10\13@000625 by Denny Esterline

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> It's hard to believe that it costs less to ship packages to a plant,
> strip cardboard from the cans, wash the date off them apply a new date,
> repackage in new cardboard, and ship back out than it does to make a new
> can.  The drink itself is cents per can, the can and packaging costs
> very little.  Can it really cost less?

Don't know, but you also have to factor in the cost of disposal of the old
cans. That could add significantly - especialy if it's toxic waste.


-Denny


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2004\10\13@001917 by Dave VanHorn

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>Don't know, but you also have to factor in the cost of disposal of the old
>cans. That could add significantly - especialy if it's toxic waste.

If this were really happening, then coke drivers would know about it.
Someone would talk.

I doubt it..

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2004\10\13@063309 by Russell McMahon

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>> It's hard to believe that it costs less to ship packages to a plant,
>> strip cardboard from the cans, wash the date off them apply a new date,
>> repackage in new cardboard, and ship back out than it does to make a new
>> can.  The drink itself is cents per can, the can and packaging costs
>> very little.  Can it really cost less?

Several years ago the cost of a can of Pepsi delivered into the average USA
vending machine was said to be $US0.17 all up.  getting the materials and
finished product where they needed to be has got to be a reasonably ;large
proportion of that cost.


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2004\10\13@105655 by M. Adam Davis

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I believe that distribution has to be a significant cost, so I assumed
the material was already on pallets in a conveniently located warehouse
and was either recycled onsite, or had a very short trip and was easy
loading.

If they took it out of stores on pallets then the cost would jump
considerably.

The only time I suspect this could make sense is if they can't meet
demand (ie, plants are already at 110% capacity) and they needed
additional product.  It would still be more expensive, but it only takes
1-2 shopping trips where your favorite drink isn't on the shelf to
switch to one that is available.

Still seems a bit far fectched.

I think it's more likely that the companies do or did engage in mass
buying of competitor product at strategic locations in order to get more
customers hooked.  I haven't heard of this sort of thing, but it makes
sense in an Enron sort of way.  (Enron, for those who don't know, sold
energy to and subsequently purchased it back from certian suppliers.  
They then counted the revenue of the sale without conerning themselves
about the expense of the purchase and thus heavily inflated their bottom
line without actually making a 'real' sale.)  Perhaps the coke that was
recycled is from an expired stockpile kept around to supply demand when
such large purchase events occur.  All speculation, but I doubt I'm the
first to think of it.

-Adam

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2004\10\13@140219 by Ben Hencke

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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:19:59 -0500, Dave VanHorn <spamBeGonedvanhornspamBeGonespamdvanhorn.org> wrote:

> If this were really happening, then coke drivers would know about it.
> Someone would talk.
>
> I doubt it..


The problem is that people DO talk and other people doubt it, usually
after someone slaps the "conspiracy theory" label on it. It is very
easy to have a successful conspiracy if it is out in the open and no
one believes it.

- Ben
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2004\10\13@140631 by Ben Hencke

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I should add:
Not that I believe that they would ship and redate old product. I
expect that they don't bottle the product until it is going out, and
they just bottle old product in the first place. Also part of the
problem is that they let the bottled product get hot and that breaks
down the aspartame a lot faster.

The end result is that people are consuming toxic crap in a can and
think it is healthy (or less unhealthy than alternatives) .

- Ben

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