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2008\04\15@134212 by John Chung

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Hi,

I am toying with the idea of getting a notebook
workhorse. Dell Precision M4300 looks interesting.
Lenovo T61 is another contender.

Any views?

John


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2008\04\15@141508 by Picbits Sales

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Anything without Vi$ta on would be my recommendation.

I nearly bought a copy of XP to "upgrade" my  new Vista Laptop last week -
only the price and lack of funds put me off.

I sometimes find it easier to leave the house, set the alarm, lock it all
up, walk up the drive to the workshop, open it all up, stick the heating on
and boot up my old Win2K machine than to try and get this laptop onto the
internet when its having an off day (which its having today).

Sometimes it denies my access to "my documents", sometimes it won't connect
to the internet, sometimes it loses connection every few minutes, sometimes
it works.

It won't access any of my NAS devices so transferring files between the
workshop and the house is done via Winrar and email.

The machine has been upgraded to 2Gb Ram, reinstalled twice with various
combinations of drivers, fully SP1 patches, all workarounds on the net tried
for various problems and still it irritates me to use it.

My Visual Studio 6 will not work on it so thats another trip to the workshop
when I want to do some programming.

I did actually try XP Pro on it and it worked flawlessly. Only problem was
that it wasn't a licenced version so I didn't keep it on.

In fact I hate Vista so much that when my clients were looking to upgrade
their systems I told them I'd refuse to continue their support contract if
they moved to Vista. They took my advice and stuck with XP and have had very
few problems.

Oh - did I mention that I hate Vista :-p
(Laptop in question is a Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo Mobile V5535 by the way in
case any search engines are caching this post :-)
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2008\04\15@143428 by Shawn Tan

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On Tuesday 15 April 2008 18:41:48 John Chung wrote:
> I am toying with the idea of getting a notebook
> workhorse. Dell Precision M4300 looks interesting.
> Lenovo T61 is another contender.
>
> Any views?

Ever toyed with the idea of getting a whitebook and customise it yourself?
Compal does sell a few of their models (under various stickered brands) for
competitive prices. Best thing is that it doesn't come with an OS and your
extra dollars can go to hardware upgrades.

cheers.

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2008\04\15@145044 by Christopher Cole

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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:41:48AM -0700, John Chung wrote:
> I am toying with the idea of getting a notebook
> workhorse. Dell Precision M4300 looks interesting.
> Lenovo T61 is another contender.
> Any views?

John,

I have been very pleased with my Sony Vaio (google for "sony cr notebook")
running Vista.  My last three notebooks have been Sony Vaios, and I have
really been happy with them.  I've had Vista on my last two Vaios, and it
runs just fine - and I use it a lot.  I am mainly a Linux guy (my main
workstation is Linux only), but like most others on this list, I find it
necessary to keep a Windows machine around to run the apps that just aren't
available under Linux (yet).  

Take care,
-Chris

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2008\04\15@152308 by alan smith

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Acer....had the best luck with them (Ive had 2)

John Chung <.....kravnusKILLspamspam@spam@yahoo.com> wrote:  Hi,

I am toying with the idea of getting a notebook
workhorse. Dell Precision M4300 looks interesting.
Lenovo T61 is another contender.

Any views?

John


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2008\04\15@160350 by M. Adam Davis

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I've been very happy with my Dell laptop, but I recommend that anyone
buying a laptop automatically purchase a 3 year warranty and accident
care.  They aren't as easy and cheap to fix as desktops.

I'm not going to comment on your particular selection as I don't know
what you're going to use it for.

As far as Vista - I haven't had any real problems, but that's because
I'm used to using several computers.  Things that you need to be aware
of:
- Vista has issues with older hardware (old drivers don't work well)
If you want to run something on Vista, make sure it has Vista drivers
- Vista has issues with older programs.  If you want to run software
on your computer, especially if that software interfaces with
hardware, check the vista compatibility.

That being said, I run Vista 64 on my main desktop, and it runs all
the regular programs I need, but doesn't yet manage MPLAB and a bunch
of other hardware-centric software.  It's fine with my older HP 3-in-1
printer, but HP makes a vista driver for it now.

So if you want a powerful machine that will run a wide variety of
software and hardware, you really need to try and go with XP.

If you don't need to support older software or hardware and can "start
fresh" going forward, you'll probably be fine with Vista, but as with
all "new" products don't consider it production ready until version
3... :-D  The initial release might as well have been Alpha, the SP1
should make it Beta, and perhaps SP2 or the next release of Vista (or
whatever they're going to rename it to due to all the bad press
associated with Vista) will be perfect.

-Adam

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2008\04\15@162639 by Tamas Rudnai

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I am using an IBM Thinkpad T42p and a Dell Inspiron 6400. IBM is with XP and
it's my workplace computer with many crapware, therefore I cannot write DVD
reliable. On Dell I have Vista, now with SP1 and since SP1 I had no problem,
I can write DVD 4x speed. With Vista I had problem only with Microchip USB
framework so far, and before SP1 had some "lack of memory" problems (2GB
RAM). Also Dell is with a dual core 1.8GHz Intel CPU so the user experience
is much better than on the IBM with XP, single core, same speed but with
those crapwares that is against the policy to remove... On Dell I have a 6
cell battery which is good something like 2.5 - 3 hrs work with reduced CPU
speed and low backlight etc. I do not like the widescreen, as it is just the
ordinary LCD but they cut off the bottom half of the screen (1280x800
resolution).

Oh, and one more important info about this Dell: So far the battery have not
blew up :-)

Tamas




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2008\04\15@170529 by James Newton

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I've been very pleased with my Sony Vaio from a few years back. It's a
PCG-GRT270P; no longer made of course. Sony tech support was horrendous for
the few, minor issues I did have. E.g. I beat the keyboard into the ground
and trying to get a replacement from them was impossible. It was poor
service to the point were it was comical. I ended up getting one off ebay
from a 3rd party and it worked just fine. The machine itself has been great,
just the service that sucks.

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James.

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2008\04\15@180950 by M. Adam Davis

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That's an important point - even if you get the warranty, make sure
you get a popular mass produced laptop from a well known name.  If
nothing else, you can ALWAYS find parts on ebay.

-Adam

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2008\04\15@202100 by John Chung

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 My choice has yet to solidify :)

John Chung


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2008\04\15@205000 by SM Ling

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> I am toying with the idea of getting a notebook
> workhorse. Dell Precision M4300 looks interesting.
> Lenovo T61 is another contender.


I was recommending Dell to many few years back until my laptop failed just
RIGHT-AFTER the 1 year warranty period expired.  And since had heard about
failure of the same kind and the Just-In-Time failure from my friends.

Even I was desperate for a walkin repair for my laptop, but there was no
physical repair shop in SG.  Dell took a week to fax back their official
quote for a compulsory onsite repair.  Minimum is SG$200 onsite fee
regardless if they can fix it, and as mine needed a board change the total
was about SG$1700 almost the same price as a new laptop back then, and
repair time of about 1-2 months.  But their fax spam and email spam started
on the very day I asked for help, and still raining on me after 22 months.

Comparing to SamSung laptop I got from a trade show, it came with a 3 years
warranty, a superb battery life and a local repair shop that took just 0.5
day to swap my motherboard.

So consider getting a good deal from a trade show, with long warranty, and a
LOCAL repair shop.  Especially so if you let your kids use your laptop,
regardless of your instructions they will use it to play game and
stress-test the keyboard/motherboard to the max.

Cheers, Ling SM

2008\04\15@223530 by Rich

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I also have a Sony Vaio and I love it.  Great machine!

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2008\04\15@223734 by Rich

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Sony Vaio.  I have one and It's great.

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2008\04\16@114745 by John Chung

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I do notice a trend with low end Dell notebooks.....
Samsung nb replacement would be difficult in Malaysia.

Regards,
John Chung


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2008\04\16@120551 by Shawn Tan

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On Wednesday 16 April 2008 16:47:42 John Chung wrote:
> I do notice a trend with low end Dell notebooks.....
> Samsung nb replacement would be difficult in Malaysia.

The biggest advantage for whitebooks, imho, is that you can do all the
servicing yourself. All the parts can be replaced except possibly the
motherboard + screen. This can greatly extend the shelflife, post warranty.

They are generally easy to get into with a philips screwdriver:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LP5vyxXjHuo

However, I doubt that any of the dealers at LowYat sell it.

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