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'[OT] Acer computers'
2006\02\19@222905 by Aaron

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I'm shopping for a new notebook.  Seems like Acer has the most features that are important to me for the price I'm looking to pay.  Does anybody have any experience with the quality of the Acer brand?

Aaron

2006\02\19@224631 by Padu

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Aaron wrote:

> I'm shopping for a new notebook.  Seems like Acer has the most features
> that are important to me for the price I'm looking to pay.  Does anybody
> have any experience with the quality of the Acer brand?
>
> Aaron


Never used their notebooks, and here in the US it doesn't seem so popular,
but their desktops used to be very popular and competitive top brands (HP,
Compaq, IBM) in Brazil.

Cheers

Padu


2006\02\19@230510 by Brent Brown

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> I'm shopping for a new notebook.  Seems like Acer has the most features that are important to me for the price I'm looking to pay.  Does anybody have any experience with >
> Aaron

In the past they've had a fairly bad reputation here for poor quality, but I think
they had a big shakeup and things have improved. I have bought myself an
Acer notebook and have had no trouble with it, also bought an Acer projector
for myself - really cool! No problems reccomending them to others.

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2006\02\20@012416 by David VanHorn

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Acer Ferrarri owner here,  Love it.

2006\02\20@040400 by Peter Krengel

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Hi Aaron,

I have a Travelmate 420 since 3 years and never any problem with it. The
only thing which could be better is the keyboard. As I'm writting very much
the letters have gone from some keys, but this may also happen with other
branches. So I can recomment Acer!

Regards
Peter




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> I'm shopping for a new notebook.  Seems like Acer has the most features
> that are important to me for the price I'm looking to pay.  Does anybody
> have any experience with the quality of the Acer brand?
>
> Aaron
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2006\02\20@040437 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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>I'm shopping for a new notebook.  Seems like Acer has the most
>features that are important to me for the price I'm looking to
>pay.  Does anybody have any experience with the quality of the
>Acer brand?
>
>Aaron

My wife bought an Acer 1690 a few months back, and I am most impressed with it.  The "Crystalbrite" screen is very sharp and bright, and it has the 1.8GHz Pentium Mobile/Centrino Chipset so is more than fast enough for anytyhing she will ever use.  I did make sure she bought a laptop with a PCI-E graphics card (ATI Mobility Radeon X700) rather than the more common integrated graphics, as she does some CAD work.  Overall build quality perhaps not quite up to IBM standards of old, but generaly good.

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Mike

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2006\02\21@044338 by Luis.Moreira

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Hi Aaron,
I have an Aspire 1662WLMi which is a Pentium IV 3.4GHz and as everything
I need except battery life. It as gone wrong once still under warranty
(apparently one of my 256Mb memory gone faulty). The laptop was repaired
with no cost to me at all and no questions asked from them, except of
course where to pick it up and deliver it.
I went for performance because I wrongly thought that I would not need
to use it to much on battery, so the battery just lasts for 1 Hour the
most, and believe me is bloody annoying when the battery runs out in the
middle of what you are trying to do. An hour battery seems a lot but
it's not...
Some of the Acer's Centrino laptops will do 3 Hours so try that.
Another thing that made me decide to get an Acer was also the fact that
apart from selling Acer's as Acer they also build a lot of the generic
laptops that other brands re-badge and sell as their one, so this
probably makes them one of the biggest computer manufacturers in the
world.
Hope it helps,
Best regards
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2006\02\21@084216 by alan smith

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ACER owner as well.....excellent machine...so far....had it for almost 8 months, use it every day for development, etc....

David VanHorn <@spam@dvanhornKILLspamspammicrobrix.com> wrote:  Acer Ferrarri owner here, Love it.

2006\02\21@115313 by Aaron

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On 2/21/06, alan smith <KILLspammicro_eng2KILLspamspamyahoo.com> wrote:
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> ACER owner as well.....excellent machine...so far....had it for almost 8
> months, use it every day for development, etc....


Thanks for the feedback, folks.  Seems there are no glaring reliability
problems, so I've got one on order.

Aaron

2006\02\21@162051 by Peter

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How about Asus ? I just saw a new type of Asus laptop and I was
wondering whether these have a good name ?

thanks,
Peter

2006\02\21@170750 by William Killian

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ASUS is Acer IRC.

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2006\02\22@150632 by Peter

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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, William Killian wrote:

> ASUS is Acer IRC.

Can anyone confirm this ?

thanks,
Peter

2006\02\22@152523 by William Killian

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Sheepishly I state I believe I was incorrect.  AOpen is the adjunct of
Acer not ASUS.

Acer is systems and AOpen is parts or indirect sales.

ASUS seems to be another company afterall.

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2006\02\25@184840 by Philip Pemberton

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> How about Asus ? I just saw a new type of Asus laptop and I was
> wondering whether these have a good name ?

Asus stuff is damn nice. Well, their motherboards are anyway. I've got an A8V
Deluxe Rev2 in my main machine and haven't had a single problem with it.
Well, I tell a lie.. To get the onboard Ethernet running in Linux, I had to
download a patch that reprogrammed the VPD EEPROM on the Ethernet chip. After
I did that, it worked fine. If you're just going to use Windows, you won't
need to do that :P

My current laptop is a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600 that I picked up
second-hand for £200. I've since replaced the TFT (£51), installed a bigger
hard drive (Seagate Momentus 5200 40GB, £65), added a WiFi card (Intel
2200BG MiniPCI, £29) and resoldered most of the audio section of the
mainboard. The keyboard is a little worn, but very nice to type on - much
nicer than my old Toughbook. The only thing I don't like is that the
AccuPoint tends to hit the LCD when the cover is shut - this seems to be down
to the two rubber stoppers not being anywhere near stiff enough. I wasn't
best pleased when my shiny new TFT earned itself an annoying dark pressure
mark from where the rubber AccuPoint nipple hit it. Still a nice laptop
though, especially considering the fact it survived a drop from 4ft onto a
stone floor with nothing more than a stuffed hard drive and some scuffed
plastic (battle scars!).

At some point I need to get some CGR17670 Li-ion cells and rebuild the
battery pack. I've seen them on Ebay, but the seller doesn't seem to be
interested in replying to emails.

Little hint - if you find a 4600 with dead or intermittent speaker output,
but the headphone output is fine, you need to resolder the line filters that
connect the amplifier IC to the speakers. They're grey cubes with four solder
pads on each, located on the bottom-right of the mainboard under the audio
riser card. Resolder, reassemble and enjoy.

I also picked up a Port Designs "EVA Laptop Skin Case" for it - £17 from
Expansys. Nice little case, but I'm a bit suspicious of their claim that it
fits machines with displays up to 16" - my 4600 has a 14.1" TFT and it's a
pretty tight fit...

But if you buy a Toshiba, avoid the machines with Phoenix BIOSes - most will
NOT run Linux for love nor money, and the BIOSes are full of bugs. IIRC the
Toshibas with Phoenix BIOSes are actually OEMed from other companies. The
ones with a Toshiba BIOS (no "Phoenix" logo along the bottom of the screen)
are the "pureblood" Toshibas.

Also watch out for the newer Satellite Pro keyboards. There's no Home/End
keys - you have to hit Fn+PgDn/Fn+PgUp to do that. Ewwww.

I've also used a friend's Compaq Presario M2000 - the keyboard was incredibly
stiff and kept missing characters. That alone gets it a place on my "AVOID!"
list. Total pain to get Linux working too :-/

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'[OT] Acer computers'
2006\06\07@212549 by Aaron
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I originally wrote:

> I'm shopping for a new notebook.  Seems like Acer has the most
> features that are important to me for the price I'm looking to pay.  
> Does anybody have any experience with the quality of the Acer brand?
>
> Aaron
>

Well, I did end up buying the Acer notebook back in March.

Now I must say that Acer deserves a pat on the back.

They repaired my *lightning* damaged notebook and covered 2nd day Fed-Ex
shipping both ways.  With a two-day factory turnaround.  Under
warranty.  Coordinated through people who actually spoke my language as
a first language.  And who even answered my initial phone call on
Memorial Day!

I'm strongly considering buying the extended warranty as a thank-you.

Great job Acer!

Aaron

2006\06\07@220045 by Xiaofan Chen

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On 6/9/06, Aaron <EraseMEaaron.piclistspamspamspamBeGonegmail.com> wrote:

> I'm strongly considering buying the extended warranty as a thank-you.
>

I think buying extended warranty (how many years? should be at
least three years) is worth the money for any notebooks. I even would
say that nowadays there are almost no good quality notebooks
(Acer/Dell/HP are the same, Thinkpad may be better) any more...
This might be true for the whole commondity consumer electronics product...
I bought a Brandt washing machine, thinking that a European brand would be
much better than a Japanese/Korean brand. In the end it failed after 1 and
half years...

If you are lucky, it wil serve you well for quite some years. If you
are unlucky,
it will just fail one month after the warranty. So warranty is really important.

Regards,
Xiaofan

2006\06\08@041742 by Ling SM

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> I think buying extended warranty (how many years? should be at
> least three years) is worth the money for any notebooks. I even would
> say that nowadays there are almost no good quality notebooks
> (Acer/Dell/HP are the same, Thinkpad may be better) any more...
> This might be true for the whole commondity consumer electronics product...
> I bought a Brandt washing machine, thinking that a European brand would be
> much better than a Japanese/Korean brand. In the end it failed after 1 and
> half years...

I am not too sure, my Thomson TV just failed at the last year of the
extended 5-year warranty.  Considering the added amount I paid which is
greatly amplified by the fast deflation in the electronics goods, as
well as fast advancement of technology (display, speed, size, battery
life, etc).

I am glad I have help save the earth of a polluted CRT, I got the TV
fixed for free, but no justification for a LCD or Plasma TV for this
World Cup too. :-(

Maybe warranty shall make for sense when China wage catches up, but
there is South America, Africa, Indo-China, etc workers waiting on the
sideline.

Cheers, Ling SM

2006\06\08@083814 by John Ferrell

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Thanks, that is good to know.
I will add them to my list of preferred vendors.
It is a short list: ASUS, ATI, Belkin, D-Link, Sony and Linksys. These are
vendors that I have found to honor warranties promptly and without undue
demands.

Compaq was better than HP but HP is OK as long as your problem is not
unusual to them.
I have an outstanding problem with an Ultra power supply. Nice products,
good prices but the tech support guy is clueless.

Extended warranties by vendors like Best Buy are of no value. Using the
warranty will take more of your time than the warranty saves. Gateway and
Dell work best for purchasing agents who don't have to endure warranty
issues!

John Ferrell    W8CCW
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2006\06\08@102548 by PicDude

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They really don't make them like they used to.  I have electronics (stereos &
TV's) from 18 years ago still working like new, and that's survived a few
moves.  But newer items seem to die quickly, so I selectively choose extended
warranties based on then item, brand reputation, usage and if it's easily
repairable -- desktop computer: no, laptop: yes, cellphone: no (low
replacement cost and I don't really drop mine), printer: yes (mechanical
stuff are made really cheaply nowadays).

But I make it a point to really use it extensively when first purchased, so I
can quickly uncover manufacturing defects during the return period.

As for laptop brand, I can't compare Acer, but I love Thinkpads.  Their
service is also awesome.  I won't touch HP or Compaq nowadays.  I've had some
problems with Dells, but I hear that their service is pretty decent (these
were company computers, so I was not involved in the repair process)

Cheers,
-Neil.



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2006\06\08@115351 by Dave Lag

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John Ferrell wrote:
> Thanks, that is good to know.
> I will add them to my list of preferred vendors.
> It is a short list: ASUS, ATI, Belkin, D-Link, Sony and Linksys. These are
> vendors that I have found to honor warranties promptly and without undue
> demands.
>
Maxtor's replacement/swap process is(was) pretty painless

Can't see an extended warranty on printers when
new printer+ink < replacement ink
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2006\06\08@142553 by Marcel Birthelmer

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Not to start a graphics card flamewar, but why ATI rather than NVidia?
- Marcel

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2006\06\08@171807 by Robert Rolf

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Marcel Birthelmer wrote:

> Not to start a graphics card flamewar, but why ATI rather than NVidia?
> - Marcel

Because he likes ATI's mediocre drivers and brain dead installers?

After 20+ years buying only ATI, and fighting with their flawed
installers (not ONE in recent years has ever installed correctly
the first time), and generally lackluster open GL performance,
I have seen the error of my ways and tried NVidia. What a refreshing
improvement!

Gateway responds promptly, but if the issue needs to be raised to
a higher level (e.g. buggy monitor firmware (who ever heard of a monitor
crashing (lockup) on 'out of range' video signal), good luck getting the
CSR to understand the problem.

Robert

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2006\06\08@175820 by Philip Pemberton

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Robert Rolf wrote:
> Because he likes ATI's mediocre drivers and brain dead installers?
>
> After 20+ years buying only ATI, and fighting with their flawed
> installers (not ONE in recent years has ever installed correctly
> the first time), and generally lackluster open GL performance,
> I have seen the error of my ways and tried NVidia. What a refreshing
> improvement!

I had the same problems with ATI. My old machine had an ATI Rage Pro (crap 3D
performance but I only wanted it for 2D) - I had nothing but trouble out of
it. Corrupted icons, random crashes - and that was with the release drivers
(this is when the RagePro was a 'supported' product).

A few years later the RagePro failed and I borrowed a Radeon card from a
friend.. the driver support was just as bad (random crashes a-go-go, corrupted
icons, etc.) and the Linux driver wouldn't even work. I ended up buying a
cheap second-hand GeForce2 MX440 which worked perfectly right out of the box...

When I did the upgrade, I decided I wanted Linux support for 3D (yeah, so
there's only really BZFlag and Tuxracer that actually use 3D, but it's there
if I need it). Needless to say, I bought an nVidia card - a GeForce 6600GT.
It's been a true workhorse - never had any corrupted icons (beyond the usual
Windows icon cache screw-ups) or games failing to run. Linux support is pretty
good too - the driver installed easily and worked after a quick tweak to the X
configuration file.

> Gateway responds promptly, but if the issue needs to be raised to
> a higher level (e.g. buggy monitor firmware (who ever heard of a monitor
> crashing (lockup) on 'out of range' video signal), good luck getting the
> CSR to understand the problem.

I've got a Mitsubishi DiamondPlus 74SB that's a bit fussy. If the monitor is
in sRGB mode and powered up before the GF6600GT, it displays a very dark image
(but the OSD is unaffected). Power cycling the monitor or unplugging and
replugging the signal cable fixes it.

I've also got a Viewsonic G73fm that displays a pure white screen if the
signal cable is unplugged when it powers up. Once it's had a signal applied it
will display the "NO SIGNAL" or "OUT OF SCAN RANGE" OSD warnings, but not until...

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2006\06\12@124443 by John Ferrell

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A mistake on my part. I have not tested their warranty, but I have one
running fine.
I have no concerns with NVividia.

John Ferrell    W8CCW
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2006\06\12@124952 by John Ferrell

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As far as old electronics go, I have an old small screen Sony TV that I used
for a monitor on my TI-99 and IBM PC before IBM offered a color monitor that
is still serving in my workshop. The Sears VHS recorder from the same era is
working well too. I am going to have to get a cheap vcr for the tuner
though. Neither of them will receive the cable channels!

John Ferrell    W8CCW
"My Competition is not my enemy"
http://DixieNC.US

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2006\06\12@182629 by Rich Graziano

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Wow!
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