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'[OT] My manifesto on violence'
2011\01\17@142604 by YES NOPE9

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In general I don't support the ideas of vengeance , retaliation , punishment and the like.  Such approaches don't work.  I don't feel I have all the answers nor do I think there is an answer for every problem or issue.  I think the punishment system and prisons are a failure.  I don't have a better suggestion at this time.

The best world I can envision is millions of intelligent independent puzzle pieces choosing their place in the fabric of life.  I don't think that master planners can put together a society that comes even close in material value or moral value.

I strongly support personal liberty , self-actualization and the enjoyment of the fruits of one's labors.  This means I support the idea that private property is very important.  I think individuals should be able to use their assets and property as they see fit.  I don't think they have a "social" obligation to share it.  That is up to them.

I don't need leaders or kings or charismatics to tell me what to do.  I don't mind learning from people smarter than me.  I have never met a person who knew how to run my life better than me.  
I do not advocate violence for any purpose whether it be at the personal , group or global level. I can see that violence does appear to be ingrained in humans but I won't willing participate.  I won't charge into battle because the "commander" says so.  I won't substitute a leader's morality for my own.  I never advocate violence or harming someone else.

Gus in Denver   99gu

2011\01\17@144245 by Olin Lathrop

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YES NOPE9 wrote:
> In general I don't support the ideas of <blah, blah, blah>

I can't tell whether this is supposed to be religious, political, or both.
How about you take your manifesto to someone that actually gives a crap what
your manifesto is?


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2011\01\17@145230 by Bob Blick

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:43:45 -0500, "Olin Lathrop" said:
> YES NOPE9 wrote:
> > In general I don't support the ideas of <blah, blah, blah>
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> I can't tell whether this is supposed to be

OK, OK, we need to calm down. I am responsible for what Gus just wrote,
he felt it neccessary to clarify that he wasn't out to kill anyone.

And I appreciate that. I also was unkind in some of the things I said to
him yesterday. For that I apologize.

If Russell and I got along better we could be more of a team when it
comes to admin work and I would not feel the need to be quite so nasty.


Best regards, Bob

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2011\01\17@183048 by Vitaliy

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Bob Blick wrote:
>> YES NOPE9 wrote:
>> > In general I don't support the ideas of <blah, blah, blah>
>>
>> I can't tell whether this is supposed to be
>
> OK, OK, we need to calm down. I am responsible for what Gus just wrote,
> he felt it neccessary to clarify that he wasn't out to kill anyone.
>
> And I appreciate that. I also was unkind in some of the things I said to
> him yesterday. For that I apologize.

These are some of the nicest things I've seen you write.


> If Russell and I got along better we could be more of a team when it
> comes to admin work and I would not feel the need to be quite so nasty.

Now, this doesn't make sense. If you're not getting along with Russell, why do you feel the need to be nasty to Gus? IMO, one of the definitions of professionalism is not letting your personal issues get in the way of doing your job.

Vitaliy

2011\01\17@184131 by Bob Blick

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:29:24 -0700, "Vitaliy" said:

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> Now, this doesn't make sense. If you're not getting along with Russell,
> why
> do you feel the need to be nasty to Gus? IMO, one of the definitions of
> professionalism is not letting your personal issues get in the way of
> doing
> your job.

No, "not getting along" in this case is not a personal issue, we rarely
see eye-to-eye and we each have chosen our own methods of working. Which
may change.

But for now, he is the wordy one and I am the nasty one.

Bob

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2011\01\17@185714 by James Newton

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In my experience, Admins naturally fall in to roles of "good cop" / "bad
cop". I completely understand where Bob is coming from on this.
Back before Bob and Russell, when I was an admin, a lot of pain and harsh
words could have been avoided if the "bad cop" of the day had just done his
job without wanting to be all "fair" and "democratic" about it. What a wuss..
LOL... At least he knew when to get out of the business.

There are fewer arguments in the desert than in the jungle.

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2011\01\17@191239 by Oli Glaser

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On 17/01/2011 23:57, James Newton wrote:
> In my experience, Admins naturally fall in to roles of "good cop" / "bad
> cop". I completely understand where Bob is coming from on this.
>
> Back before Bob and Russell, when I was an admin, a lot of pain and harsh
> words could have been avoided if the "bad cop" of the day had just done his
> job without wanting to be all "fair" and "democratic" about it. What a wuss.
> LOL... At least he knew when to get out of the business.
>
> There are fewer arguments in the desert than in the jungle.
>

I see - we just need an admin version of Dirty Harry, none of this outdated fairness and democracy nonsense... :-)

2011\01\18@085621 by Mark E. Skeels

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Where there is no oxen, the manger is clean, but abundant crops come by the strength of the ox.

:-)

> There are fewer arguments in the desert than in the jungle.
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> --
> James Newton
> 1-970-462-7764

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