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'[OT] : Expunging windows XP'
2002\02\27@130708 by Martin Baker

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We just bought a little cheap PC for the Lab, and it came with XP. I need
to blow XP off the drive and install W2K, for which we bought a shrink
wrapped copy. I cannot get the system to wipe XP. The one time I want to
format the drive, it won't let me. Icannot run setup from the CD, and when
Ireset the Bios to boot from the CD or floppy, it still boots into XP.

Has anyone else successfully dealt with this ?

TIA

Martin

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2002\02\27@131332 by Pic Dude

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What do you have in the floppy when you boot from that?

Perhaps add the drive as a slave on another PC and then you might
be able to format it?  Other possibility is to make a linux boot/root disk
and use that to format it.


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2002\02\27@131701 by Al Williams

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Make a bootable floppy from a Win98 machine. Put Format, FDISK, and
MSCDEX on it. Might also want EDIT and scandisk.

Try to figure out what CDROM drivers you need for DOS (probably have to
find the vendor's Web site). Put these on the floppy and make a
config.sys/autoexec to load the driver and MSCDEX. Usually, in config
sys:

DEVICE=c:\somedriver /d:anything

Then in autoexec.bat
MSCDEX /d:anything

(the anything can be -- well -- anything as long as they match)

Boot from the floppy. Make sure you can hit the CDROM drive. If you
can't, try configuring again until you can before proceeding.

Use FDISK to delete the (probably NTFS) partition. Create a new DOS
partition. Format with the /S option.
Copy everything on the floppy over to the C drive and reboot on the C
drive.

Then run setup of the Windows CD.

Caveats:

1) If you have a bootable CD, you probably don't need the drivers and
you can just reboot and let the CD boot.

2) Don't ask Windows to make a boot floppy. It can't know what CDROM you
have so it loads dozens of drivers in a compressed file. Then at boot
time it makes a RAMDISK and unpacks the drivers there. This is fine
until you try to install windows which gets mortally confused about your
odd setup. Just go to a command prompt and type:

FORMAT A: /S

Then copy the files mentioned and do the DOS CD setup if required.

Good luck!

Al Williams
AWC
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2002\02\27@131712 by Cris Wilson

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At 09:58 AM 2/27/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>We just bought a little cheap PC for the Lab, and it came with XP. I need
>to blow XP off the drive and install W2K, for which we bought a shrink
>wrapped copy. I cannot get the system to wipe XP. The one time I want to
>format the drive, it won't let me. Icannot run setup from the CD, and when
>Ireset the Bios to boot from the CD or floppy, it still boots into XP.
>
>Has anyone else successfully dealt with this ?

Reset the bios so that the floppy drive is the first bootable device
and make sure that you save the changes on exit.

If that still doesn't work, open the case and remove the power
connector to the HD. Boot up on whatever. After it boots up, plug
the power connector into the HD (yes while the computer is still
on). Then wipe the hard drive.

Before doing any of this you might want to go through the device manager
and write down the types of network cards, soundcards, etc. just in case
win2k doesn't know what they are. It can really ruin your day when windows
says you have 5 unknown devices and you have no idea what they were to
begin with.

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2002\02\27@132122 by michael brown

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> We just bought a little cheap PC for the Lab, and it came with XP. I need
> to blow XP off the drive and install W2K, for which we bought a shrink
> wrapped copy. I cannot get the system to wipe XP. The one time I want to
> format the drive, it won't let me. Icannot run setup from the CD, and when
> Ireset the Bios to boot from the CD or floppy, it still boots into XP.

Sounds like maybe the 2000 CD is not a bootable one.  XP should not be able
to override the bios boot sequence.  Go to win98se machine and create a
bootable diskette.  Make sure fdisk is on it.  Try switching the drive
cables to make the hard disk on the slave controller.  Put the cd drive on
the primary controller.  You should be able to boot from the cd or floppy.
If not, get another bootable hard drive and put it as the primary/master.
Boot into dos mode <F8 key> You should be able to run fdisk and delete the
xp partition.

hope this helps

michael

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2002\02\27@134359 by Lucas Thompson

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Along with all that other stuff, you may need to delete the master boot
record to get rid of the XP boot manager. Use the Win98 boot disk and do
"FDISK /MBR". This is the same way you can get rid of LILO or Grub on Linux
machines.

Lucas

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2002\02\27@143703 by Kevin Moll

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> We just bought a little cheap PC for the Lab, and it came with XP. I need
> to blow XP off the drive and install W2K, for which we bought a shrink
> wrapped copy. I cannot get the system to wipe XP. The one time I want to
> format the drive, it won't let me. Icannot run setup from the CD, and when
> Ireset the Bios to boot from the CD or floppy, it still boots into XP.
>

Built into WinXP is a recovery console that allows you to do a lot of things
that you usually can't do after drivers and OS files are loaded.  To install
it, check out the microsoft knowledge database at:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q216417

Once you restart your computer, a prompt will come up whether you want to
boot normally, or start the recovery console.  Start the recovery console,
which will ask for the administrators password and then dump you to a DOS
prompt.  From here, you should be able to format the drive.

Kevin

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2002\02\27@150840 by Dwayne Reid

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At 09:58 AM 2/27/02 -0800, Martin Baker wrote:
>We just bought a little cheap PC for the Lab, and it came with XP. I need
>to blow XP off the drive and install W2K, for which we bought a shrink
>wrapped copy. I cannot get the system to wipe XP. The one time I want to
>format the drive, it won't let me. Icannot run setup from the CD, and when
>Ireset the Bios to boot from the CD or floppy, it still boots into XP.

I've read many of the other replies but think that the best way to deal
with the problem is to install your new OS onto a DIFFERENT hard
drive.  Wiping the existing hard drive is short-sighted for a couple of
reasons: drivers and warranty / tech support.

Either stick a used hard drive in the box (most of us on the list have at
least 1 hard drive kicking around just for situations like this) or bite
the bullet and purchase a new drive for the box.  Install the new OS on the
new drive.  If the new install won't finish because of driver problems,
re-install the original drive and see what you can find out.

Once you have the new OS working - you have a few choices.  Just tuck the
original drive into the box (for future reference), maybe take an image of
it (Ghost or Drive Image) or wipe it and keep it as your new floater
drive.  I like the first option - it sure makes dealing with tech support
easier if you do wind up having hardware problems.  If you don't care about
that - by all means wipe the drive.

dwayne


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2002\02\27@173815 by Mitch Miller

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Martin Baker wrote:

> We just bought a little cheap PC for the Lab, and it came with XP. I need
> to blow XP off the drive and install W2K, for which we bought a shrink
> wrapped copy. I cannot get the system to wipe XP. The one time I want to
> format the drive, it won't let me. Icannot run setup from the CD, and when
> Ireset the Bios to boot from the CD or floppy, it still boots into XP.
>
> Has anyone else successfully dealt with this ?

Yup ... I still keep around a DOS (actually Win98) bootable diskette with
things like FDISK and FORMAT on it exactly for these sorts of things.  Use
FDISK and wipe out the partitions.  Can't boot from them then!

It sounds, however, like your PC is not trying to boot from the CD.

-- Mitch

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2002\02\27@180614 by Martin Baker

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I got it to go.... but do you have any idea how long it takes to format an
eighty gig hard drive....I got lunch, ran some errands, piked up some
groceries, etc....
Thanks again to everyone!!!...
M


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2002\02\27@225037 by Mitch Miller

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Martin Baker wrote:

> I got it to go.... but do you have any idea how long it takes to format an
> eighty gig hard drive....I got lunch, ran some errands, piked up some
> groceries, etc....
> Thanks again to everyone!!!...

Well ... sounds like it may be too late already, but ... if you can boot
from the CD, you don't have to format the new partition.  In fact, you
don't even need to create a partition from DOS/98.

Did you ever get it to boot from the Win2k CD?

-- Mitch

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2002\02\28@012835 by Martin T. Baker

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Yes I did, by eliminating all other boot possibilities, then it formatted
the partition...yawnn

Thanks again to all...
Martin

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