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'[OT] (Totally, completely). Hard drives over 3GB?'
1999\11\17@165237 by paulb

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My absence from the list (OK, so who noticed?) most of this week has
been due to the mind-bendingly challenging task of trying to replace my
uncomfortably-full 3 GB main drive with a brand spanking new 15 GB one.

 Do you think there's a good tutorial somewhere on the 3 GB or so DOS/
Windoze95/ partition table limitation and how one overcomes it?  M$ are
as helpful as ever.

 I am back to the 3 GB drive for now - I could get the larger one to
run under Windoze but not under DOS (which is of course required to boot
Windoze!).
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       Paul B.

1999\11\17@192459 by Mark Willis

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Most older motherboards have an 8.4Gb limit on Hard Drives, the original
LBA hard drive limitation is 16 times the 527 Mb older limitation of
1024 cylinders by 16 Heads by 63 Sectors/Track.  Then each partition,
under Dos, is limited to 2.1Gb in size.

So, my guess is that you need a new Hard Drive controller (or perhaps a
Momboard firmware upgrade, as the HDC is likely on the momboard?) to
allow you to install that new Hard Drive and use it's entire size.

One way to do it is to replace the momboard with a new momboard, and
network the two machines together.

I can find you a new 8.4 Gb HDD locally, if you cannot find one, for
$109.00 USD (http://www.hdnw.com/all_drives.asp?) - plus shipping,
pretty easy to get smaller used drives for cheaper, also.

 Mark

Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
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1999\11\17@194142 by Wagner Lipnharski

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IFIK, if you have one of the news motherboard (Recent BIOS), you can
create pure DOS partitions of 2.xGBytes each, max of 8GB... yeah! or
something like that... Paul, we are doomed man!  Why they do this with
us, huh? huh?  We never killed any little bird when we were kids...

1999\11\17@203642 by Robert A. LaBudde

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<x-flowed>At 08:50 AM 11/18/99 +1100, Paul wrote:
>My absence from the list (OK, so who noticed?) most of this week has
>been due to the mind-bendingly challenging task of trying to replace my
>uncomfortably-full 3 GB main drive with a brand spanking new 15 GB one.
>
>   Do you think there's a good tutorial somewhere on the 3 GB or so DOS/
>Windoze95/ partition table limitation and how one overcomes it?  M$ are
>as helpful as ever.
>
>   I am back to the 3 GB drive for now - I could get the larger one to
>run under Windoze but not under DOS (which is of course required to boot
>Windoze!).

1. You can only have 2 GB under a FAT16 partition. You can partition the
disk into volumes (using FDISK plus FORMAT) of 2 GB or less to get it
working in DOS.

2. You can get it working in Win98, and then convert to FAT32, which works
in both Windows and DOS.

3. You can buy Partition Magic, which makes changing partition sizes after
the fact much easier.

4. Be aware that 2 GB FAT16 partitions are very wasteful, since they use
64kB cluster sizes, and therefore waste about 40% of the space.

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1999\11\17@214631 by Dave Johnson

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Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:

>Do you think there's a good tutorial somewhere on the 3 GB or so DOS/
>Windoze95/ partition table limitation and how one overcomes it?

Buy a Mac.

:-)

Dave Johnson

1999\11\18@011944 by Richard Martin

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Re: 16gB HDDs

Another alternative (so I've been told, and will soon try and report)
is to bring it up as a Samba server under Linux, which (I'm told)
ignores BIOS after bootup. Also gives your files some protection
from the deadly "W9x" virus so prevalent still. My plan is
to keep most of my files on the Samba/Linux server so I have
less to reload when a trivial configuration change 'kills' my
W9x machines. Trivial = = PowerUp, for example.

R.Martin

Mark Willis wrote:

> Most older motherboards have an 8.4Gb limit on Hard Drives, the original

1999\11\18@020138 by John De Villiers

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If you have it Use WIN98 SE  and format the drives with FAT32. I use this on
two 17 gig drives in my pc.

> My absence from the list (OK, so who noticed?) most of this week has
> been due to the mind-bendingly challenging task of trying to replace my
> uncomfortably-full 3 GB main drive with a brand spanking new 15 GB one.

1999\11\18@041016 by ruben

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>
> My absence from the list (OK, so who noticed?) most of this week has
> been due to the mind-bendingly challenging task of trying to replace my
> uncomfortably-full 3 GB main drive with a brand spanking new 15 GB one.
>
>   Do you think there's a good tutorial somewhere on the 3 GB or so DOS/
> Windoze95/ partition table limitation and how one overcomes it?  M$ are
> as helpful as ever.
>
>   I am back to the 3 GB drive for now - I could get the larger one to
> run under Windoze but not under DOS (which is of course required to boot
> Windoze!).
> --
>   Cheers,
>         Paul B.
>

If you find any solution to this I would appreciate it if You could
share it with the rest of us (who have to use both DOS and W95).

I have the same problem with a 10GHD. I also have a small HD (200M)
which i thought I could set up as FAT16 and boot from a floppy when I
need to run pure DOS. The primary drive is C: which is 10GB FAT32 and
the secondary drive is D: which is 200M FAT16. The problem is that
when I boot from my DOS6.22 diskette drive C: disappear and drive D:
is now C:. This is a problem since I use DOS for programming and can
mostly do this under W95 but sometime I need DOS 6.22 (No virtualized
peripherials) and all my paths in the development environment is
pointing to D: which now doesn't exist.

Perhaps It works if I have the small HD as drive C: with FAT16 and
the large one as drive D: with FAT32. Dos 6.22 is installed on C: and
W95 boot files is installed over DOS in this drive but its main
components (W95 dir) is installed on D:. This way I should be able to
reboot to my old DOS with D: now invisible to DOS but with all paths
for my DOS programs in C: the same as when run from W95.

I didn't have time to try this out, instead I partitioned my HD as 4
2.1G blocks (loosing approx. 2G) and now it's too much trouble to try
it.

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1999\11\18@054913 by ruben

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If you find any solution to this I would appreciate it if You could
share it with the rest of us (who have to use both DOS and W95).

I have the same problem with a 10GHD. I also have a small HD (200M)
which i thought I could set up as FAT16 and boot from a floppy when I need
to run pure DOS. The primary drive is C: which is 10GB FAT32 and the
secondary drive is D: which is 200M FAT16. The problem is that when I boot
from my DOS6.22 diskette drive C: disappear and drive D: is now C:. This
is a problem since I use DOS for programming and can mostly do this under
W95 but sometime I need DOS 6.22 (No virtualized peripherials) and all my
paths in the development environment is pointing to D: which now doesn't
exist.

Perhaps It works if I have the small HD as drive C: with FAT16 and
the large one as drive D: with FAT32. Dos 6.22 is installed on C: and W95
boot files is installed over DOS in this drive but its main components
(W95 dir) is installed on D:. This way I should be able to reboot to my
old DOS with D: now invisible to DOS but with all paths for my DOS
programs in C: the same as when run from W95.

I didn't have time to try this out, instead I partitioned my HD as 4 2.1G
blocks (loosing approx. 2G) and now it's too much trouble to try it.

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Ruben Jvnsson
AB Liros Elektronik
Box 9124, 200 39 Malmv, Sweden
TEL INT +4640 142078
FAX INT +4640 947388
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1999\11\18@080928 by M. Adam Davis

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The problem here is that the older versions of DOS do not read FAT32.
However, the 'DOS' that comes with WIN98 does read FAT32, and will do
anything that DOS 6.22 does.  To create a win98 dos boot disk, boot into
windows98, and use the command "SYS a:" at a command prompt, or
right-click on the floppy drive in windows explorer and choose format,
where it gives you the option "Copy system files only".  You can then
create your own config.sys and autoexec.bat files on the floppy, etc,
etc.  When you boot up with it it will leave you in DOS mode.

Another option is upon bootpu of your system you may see the message
"loading windows" right after your bios finishes its system checks.
Press F8, and you will be given a menu with the option to boot into
command line mode, which is effectively the same as booting to dos,
except that config.sys and autoexec.bat on the hard drive will be run.
I usually start pressing F8 once I know bios is done checking the hard
drives and memory, and press it several times in case the bios empties
the keyboard buffer before starting the boot process.

Try f5 as well as f8.  F5 skips the autoexec and config.sys files, I
don't recall if it dumps you to dos though.

-Adam

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and have not need for subtlety.

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1999\11\18@111355 by Brent Crosby

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<x-flowed>Ruben:

  I connected a DPDT switch to the master/slave jumpers on the drives.

Switch up: drive 0 = master = boot, drive 1 = slave
Switch down: drive 1 = master = boot, drive 0 = slave

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1999\11\18@112440 by John C. Frenzel

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> Re: 16gB HDDs
>
> Another alternative (so I've been told, and will soon try and report)
> is to bring it up as a Samba server under Linux, which (I'm told)
> ignores BIOS after bootup. Also gives your files some protection
> from the deadly "W9x" virus so prevalent still. My plan is
> to keep most of my files on the Samba/Linux server so I have
> less to reload when a trivial configuration change 'kills' my
> W9x machines. Trivial = = PowerUp, for example.
>
> R.Martin
I have got this running on my LAN, and it works great.  The Linux server
manages the PPP connection and acts as a firewall.  I also have a Samba
partition on which all of my main application programs reside.  When I need
to reinstall W93 ( I mean W95), I run all the applications over the net to
the box.  It also makes it alot easier to keep all my users at the same
revision level.  When I download one update to the Samba drive, I can then
move it to all the PC's very quickly.
John



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1999\11\18@185007 by Mark Willis

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www.bootdisk.com/ has boot images available for boot floppies for
MOST OS's, good site, folks!  That'd be a good boot disk also.  (I
snagged the lot, as I keep getting asked for Win98 help etc. <G>)

 Mark

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1999\11\19@065149 by ruben

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This still swaps around drive letters when booting from one or the
other HD, which means that my paths are different when booting of the
DOS HD from when booting of the W95 HD.

>
> Ruben:
>
>    I connected a DPDT switch to the master/slave jumpers on the drives.
>
> Switch up: drive 0 = master = boot, drive 1 = slave
> Switch down: drive 1 = master = boot, drive 0 = slave
>


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Ruben Jvnsson
AB Liros Elektronik
Box 9124, 200 39 Malmv, Sweden
TEL INT +4640 142078
FAX INT +4640 947388
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1999\11\25@184049 by Hans Blichfeldt

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With two programs:
System Commander and
Partition Magic
you can set your disk as you
like and use more than one
operating systemt on your computer.
Also split disk in two or more with
different FAT's.
System Commander can do it alone but
Partition Magic makes it much easier.-

Best regards, Hans

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