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1997\09\06@013627 by David Duffy

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> rEGARDS.  Sorry... cOuLdN't hElP mYsElF !! (Yeah, I've been told
> already !)
>

rEAlLY? WhO TOlD YoU??
MikeS
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eVeRyOnE !


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1998\03\23@165047 by Wendall Siemens
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This looks like the bogus letter that was going around saying the donations would be made to the American Cancer Society for each time this letter was emailed.

This is fake!!!

{Original Message removed}


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1998\04\10@161448 by Peter Schultz
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Hi All,

Somebody on the field familiar with ORCAD Capture for Windows ?
I can not convert schematic back to SDT+386 format because I have
duplicate parts in the design cache.
I need to know how You can delete parts from the design cache.
I went to the ORCAD website and they do not let You in even the
FAQ site without valid tech support contract ( which cost a lots of money ).
Our one already expired. They provide only 90 days support for free.
That is a really nice way to collect some money ?? ( and treat customers
to make sure they never ever buy again any ORCAD products ).

Thanks anyway,

Peter

1998\04\10@165237 by John Shreffler

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S. Martin  email:  .....layoutekKILLspamspam@spam@harborside.com

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Subject:        [OT]

Hi All,

Somebody on the field familiar with ORCAD Capture for Windows ?
I can not convert schematic back to SDT+386 format because I have
duplicate parts in the design cache.
I need to know how You can delete parts from the design cache.
I went to the ORCAD website and they do not let You in even the
FAQ site without valid tech support contract ( which cost a lots of money ).
Our one already expired. They provide only 90 days support for free.
That is a really nice way to collect some money ?? ( and treat customers
to make sure they never ever buy again any ORCAD products ).

Thanks anyway,

Peter

1998\04\13@194759 by dparker
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OrCAD has just come out with their V7.2.  I have an advanced copy and it
supports updates,  replacement
and deleting of Design Cache parts.


John Shreffler wrote:

> You can't delete parts, but you can substitute parts in the
> Design Cache, which amounts to the same thing.  If you
> would like to get some competent help on Orcad without
> the full blown support contract, contact a former Orcad
> Software engineer who has hung out her own shingle
> and is doing a very good job.
>
> S. Martin  email:  EraseMElayoutekspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTharborside.com
>
> {Original Message removed}


'[OT]'
2000\01\05@173040 by David Duley
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Hello All!

I was wondering if anyone had a solution to a little problem I have.

I use off-the-shelf PCs in a machine that my company makes.  We have
been using the AT style cases and mother boards up to now.  The ATX
cases and mother boards are quickly replacing the AT style systems.
The problem is that the PC is embedded and I need to use a single
power switch to power up and down the entire machine.  ATX power
supplies use a "Soft switch" or a ground going transition to power up
the system.  This enables Windows to power itself down when exited.
Does anyone know of a non-software way to disable this soft-switch
scheme?

People that run servers or other embedded applications must run into
this.


Thanks

Dave Duley

2000\01\05@180333 by Tim Hamel

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Hiya Dave,

Maybe this will help. It's sort of the general spec of the ATX power supply
along with a circuit to test; which I imagine could be modified.

http://www.compute-aid.com/atxspec.html

Regards,

Tim Hamel

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2000\01\05@181202 by Quitt, Walter

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We do the same.  Same problem too.
Found the answer in the BIOS settings.
DISABLE SOFT POWER
is what you need to disable.

GL,
Walt...

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2000\01\11@144613 by - KITS EDUCACIONAIS NACIONAIS

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I'M BACK

Miguel Wisintainer

2000\01\11@154229 by paulb

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Miguel Wisintainer wrote:

> I'M BACK

 SO WE ALL SEE!
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2000\01\11@164412 by Tony Nixon

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WF AUTOMACAO - KITS EDUCACIONAIS NACIONAIS wrote:
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> I'M BACK
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> Miguel Wisintainer

That's being forward ;-)

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2000\03\03@114601 by Gary Robinson
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<x-flowed>Hi

Sorry about my email but Need to know. I'm 20 and started with pic
yesterday.
Does anyone knows what is Bsc and B.Eng degrees, I mean what abbreviation
they are?

thank you
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2000\03\03@114601 by Gary Robinson

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<x-flowed>Hi

Sorry about my email but Need to know. I'm 20 and started with pic
yesterday.
Does anyone knows what is Bsc and B.Eng degrees, I mean what abbreviation
they are?

thank you
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2000\03\03@131402 by Juimiin Hong

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> Does anyone knows what is Bsc and B.Eng degrees, I mean what abbreviation
> they are?

Bachelors of Science
Bachelors of Engineering

You will also see B.A.Sc., Bachelors of Applied Science for engineering
degrees.

2000\03\03@135117 by Steve Lawther

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As stated correctly below BSc and B.Eng degrees are awarded by UK
universities. I don't know which other countries use the same abbreviations.
You will also see MSc and M.Eng (master of... ) which is usually a year's
worth of study extra beyond a Bachelor degree.

Steve Lawther B.Eng MSc

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2000\03\03@142247 by Matt Bonner

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Steve Lawther wrote:
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> As stated correctly below BSc and B.Eng degrees are awarded by UK
> universities. I don't know which other countries use the same abbreviations.

The University of Victoria in British Columbia, Canada also
awards a B.Eng; I don't know of any other Universities in
Canada that do this, though.
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Matthew Bonner B.Eng. - Sunada Technology Corp. - Calgary,
Alberta
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2000\03\04@191814 by Scott Beatty

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Gary

       A BSCE is a Bachelor of Science in Computer engineering.  This degree
focuses on computer design included both hardware and software.  A BSEE is a
Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering.  this degree is in much more
demand and focuses on hardware design of all electrical circuits.  It is very
math intensive and provides a much wider knowledge of electrical design.

Scott

Gary Robinson wrote:

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2000\03\05@030651 by Jeff Davis

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<x-flowed>>Gary Robinson wrote:
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>  > Sorry about my email but Need to know. I'm 20 and started with pic
>  > yesterday.

Good luck, these are nice little processors, especially the 16F877

>  > Does anyone knows what is Bsc and B.Eng degrees, I mean what abbreviation
>  > they are?

Literally they mean Bachelor of Science and Bachelor of Engineering.
BSc covers  the pure sciences (Physics, Chemistry, Computer Science,
etc. ) and BEng covers Engineering (Civil, Electrical, Computer
Engineering etc.). Engineering degrees can have any number of other
different names, like BASc (Bachelor of Applied Science). Applied
sciences can also include other things like Kinesiology and sometimes
the Computer Science program is a BASc rather than a BSc. Every
University is different and they may even consider all this stuff
under a BSc.

If you are interested in programming microprocessors your options
generally are a BSc in Computer Science, or a BENG in Computer or
Electrical Engineering. I don't know much about the Compsci programs
but I think they concentrate a lot on higher level programming (C++,
Java, etc) and little to do with hardware.

Personally I'd suggest going into a BEng program, but of course I'm
biased because I am a Electrical Engineering student. My university
(Dalhousie in Halifax, Nova Scotia) does not have a separate Computer
Engineering degree yet(they are in the process), but rather has it as
an option in Electrical. My first experience with the PIC processor
was in a design course that both sections had to take (I'm in the
non-computer option), so clearly both are appropriate. In the
computer option you get a lot more software stuff so if you want to
learn about operating systems and how to write big and complicated
programs that may be your thing. You'll also learn the basics in
electronics. In the electronics section you'll probably have the
opportunity to learn about things like communications, fiberoptics,
radio, etc. These days almost nothing is done in electronics without
microprocessors being involved somehow.

This is just my experience, every university is different. Also, no
matter what kind of engineering you take you will not be limiting
yourself. Where I am doing my internship right now no one else has an
electrical engineering degree. My boss, who has designed almost
everything is a PhD. in Fluid Mechanics Engineering but that doesn't
stop him from being brilliant with microprocessors and other
electronics. Lastly, keep in mind that Engineering tends to be a very
demanding degree, I'm expected to take an overload of courses every
year except the last when I do a final year project and you
absolutely have to be good at math.

Jeff

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2000\03\05@085747 by James R. Cunningham

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It is also a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering (or at least it was when I
got one back in the 60's).

Jim

Scott Beatty wrote:

> Gary
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>         A BSCE is a Bachelor of Science in Computer engineering.

2000\03\06@071524 by Andrew Kunz

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>It is also a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering (or at least it was when
I got one back in the 60's).

Ah, somebody is here who can design both targets and weapons! <G>

Andy

2000\03\06@094604 by James R. Cunningham

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I've often felt like a target.  Weapons aren't one of  my skills.
Jim

Andrew Kunz wrote:

> >It is also a Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering (or at least it was when
> I got one back in the 60's).
>
> Ah, somebody is here who can design both targets and weapons! <G>
>
> Andy

2000\03\17@102826 by DANNY ROWELL

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2000\03\17@112507 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Babel fish comes up with &quot;Next SACOA is going to you to surprise &quot;</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Although if you tell it that it's in Italian it translates as: &quot;PROXIMAMEATE SACOA YOU GOES TO BE STRANGE &quot; which I feel sums it up rather nicely :o)</FONT></P>

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2000\05\01@025639 by juggernut
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Hi!

Does anybody know where i can find an FREE digital FM Tuner Circuits archive
that using phase lock loop.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,
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'[OT]'
2001\08\03@124530 by Martin Baker
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Dear folx;
I am leaving for a vacation... ( sigh) and would like to know the best way
to temporarily halt the flow of mail to my server...

I know it is probably a dumb question, but this is the easiest way to
answer it..

Martin

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2001\08\03@152350 by Andy N1YEW

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2001\12\07@203126 by chris
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It's Friday, so I'm working on a hobby project this afternoon:

I want to use a small, low power display with a PIC that will fit in a small
enclosure and be wearable.
That means battery power. The larger the battery, the less wearable the end
result will be.
I removed a small (5/8 x 1 1/4 in.) LCD from one of those disposable 1.5V
button battery hospital thermometers, only to find that
the controller is buried under an adhesive on the underside of the board
(looks like a hybrid) and the LCD has the typical laminated conductive foam
connector at only one edge of the glass assembly. I count 16 terminations to
the board, which has me thinking that this thing may yet work for me.
Has anyone played with one of these little LCD's and might perhaps have some
advice for me?
I guess I would like to learn how to use this one, or where I can order a
standard version of such a display w/ documentation....

Chris

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2002\07\24@030943 by Jinx
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> digest

Just had my tea - was planning to. Thanks for the advice though.
Drop me a line just after breakfast tomorrow. Cheers

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2002\10\21@185936 by sws11
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Does anyone have any experience using Ultiboard 2001 for making PCB's?
I'm currently making a decision on what software to buy.  My company
already has Multisim 2001 which works ok, but not perfect.

I have used eagle LT and liked it, I am curious how they stack up.
We probably can't afford Orcad/Pspice, since we are only doing
prototypes and not production parts.  Any opinions would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Steve Smith
Electrical Engineer

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2002\10\31@133535 by victorf

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IS the list down???

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2003\07\30@084151 by Richard Graziano
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Anyone know about the 3 connections to an auto gas tank.  I was helping a friend replace a fuel tank in a 198 Olds Cutlas. I connected the proper line from the fuel pump. There was another line that I connected the same way it was.  I don't know what it is for. there is another line that I could not figure out.  But the car runs and the fuel gage does not work. Any help would be welcome.

Thanks
Richard

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2004\10\15@185446 by junos (nickname)
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2004\10\16@152537 by Peter L. Peres

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, junos (nickname) wrote:

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still, no.
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2004\10\22@213457 by Jake Anderson

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stumbled across this today.
http://www.unitednuclear.com/traser.htm
claims to be capiblle of producing a glow effect that can last for 10 years.
in something the size of a keyring, using tritium and phosphor.

at last we have a reason to go to the moon to mine that tritium. Novelty
lights!


theres probbly cheaper places to buy them but i came across these first.
http://www.unitednuclear.com/traser.htm
www.cashncarrion.co.uk/?listPos=&productID=71&search=&op=catalogue-pr
oduct_info-null&prodCategoryID=19

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2004\10\22@220336 by hilip Stortz

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nothing new about that.  it's been used for glow in the dark signs for a
very long time.  they are one of the few things the local household
hazardous waste program won't accept due to the high level of activity
(even if it is mostly alpha).  hell boy, the 50's were the golden age of
nuclear material experimentation.  small globes filled with phosphors
and a radioactive material have even been made, bright enough to
illuminate an airfield in the antarctic by placing them on each side and
fairly far apart, and they glow practically forever, you just don't want
to crash into one when you are landing.  all kinds of silly ass things
have been done, i've read one report about the possibility of using
nuclear reactors to make ozone, directly by passing air through the
core!  yeah, people came up with all kinds of silly things that were
supposed to revolutionize life thanks to the wonder of nuclear power,
"power too cheap to meter" as they once promised.  never believe the
wild claims made by people in an industry about what's coming, the
personal aircraft was supposed to be reality a long time ago, there's no
reason to expect it ever will be, logically it's just not practical, air
traffic is a big enough mess already without every drunken moron in town
flying around.  unitednuclear is one of the older companies in the
nuclear game.  tritium signs are still available to the public, they
just aren't popular.  cold fusion, that's the reason to get tritium, if
it's ever figured out and allowed to happen, the nuclear powers
(countries) really wouldn't like it though, as it would make all kinds
of things too easy, and disrupt the existing energy infrastructure which
they are well paid to protect by those in the industry.  hell the only
reason nuclear power was ever big was we needed all those reactors to
help make weapons grade material anyway, the power was just a p.r.
justification, the real reason was to enhance nuclear material for weapons.

Jake Anderson wrote:
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2005\04\20@051306 by Russell McMahon
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Today: Positive / interesting / negative

1972    Apollo 16 landed on Moon :-)

1889     Hitler born

1999    "Columbine"  :-(


2005\04\20@053916 by Ake Hedman

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Russell McMahon wrote:

> Today: Positive / interesting / negative
>
> 1972    Apollo 16 landed on Moon :-)
>
> 1889     Hitler born
>
> 1999    "Columbine"  :-(
>
>
I expect this from you everyday from now on... ;-)  I at least find it interesting.

/Ake

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2005\04\20@064916 by Russell McMahon

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> Russell McMahon wrote:
>
>> Today: Positive / interesting / negative
>>
>> 1972    Apollo 16 landed on Moon :-)
>>
>> 1889     Hitler born
>>
>> 1999    "Columbine"  :-(

> I expect this from you everyday from now on... ;-)  I at least find
> it interesting.

Doing it every day would be no great problem.
BUT the Blick factor * says that I should keep it to the level where I
feel there's a degree of relevance or liable to be overwhelming
interest. I don't think Columbine would have made it onto the list by
itself, tragic though it was. Mr Schickelgruber alone wouldn't have.
Apollo 16 was the clincher because of the techo bent and as many here,
while not necessarily especially interested in space per se, do have
the engineers spill over interest in multi disciplinary technology.


       RM


* It's like the Lathrop factor but in this case it operates on
experienced OT posters rather than innocent newbies.


2005\04\20@090531 by Mike Hord

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> > Today: Positive / interesting / negative
> >
> > 1972    Apollo 16 landed on Moon :-)
> >
> > 1889     Hitler born
> >
> > 1999    "Columbine"  :-(
> >
> >
> I expect this from you everyday from now on... ;-)  I at least find it
> interesting.
>
> /Ake

Check out http://www.todayinsci.com/ .  IIRC, Russell suggested it
to the list, although I may be filling in with conjecture based on
observed trends to mask a gap in my memory. ;-)

You can sign up for a daily newsletter with a few little trivia questions
about the birth/death of famous "scientists" (some may be questionable)
and events (the same applies here- some events go unmentioned).

I'm still on the lookout for a similar site with painfully complete daily
events in the history of spaceflight.  I bought a "History of Spaceflight"
wall calender and was distressed to find nary an event on it- just photos
of 12 "moments" deemed worth of inclusion (many of which are not
really that special).

Mike H.

2005\04\20@092455 by Ake Hedman

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Thanks. Great site!  Just what I was looking for.

/Ake

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'[OT]'
2005\05\29@185213 by Derward
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Test 5-29-05


'[OT]'
2006\04\12@190734 by moja nona
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'[OT]'
2006\06\17@094511 by Russell McMahon
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Police accountability structures for selected African nations

       http://www.policeaccountability.co.za/Organograms/organogram_tanzania.asp

Found while trying to find contact details for police in Tanzania.
Complete with "organograms" of organisations



     Angola
     botswana
     ghana
     Kenya
     lesotho
     malawi
     mauritius
     mozambique
     Namibia
     Nigeria
     south africa
     swaziland
     tanzania
     uganda
     zambia
     Zimbabwe


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'[OT]'
2006\07\25@093814 by Kevin Hanna
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I am not sure who suggested Linear Technologies LTSPICE / SWCADIII,
but... thanks.  Downloaded and running within an hour even though I have
never an analog simulator before.

Thanks again,
Kevin Hanna


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2007\06\22@055809 by Vasile Surducan
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLQFFIH2J0

2007\06\22@061050 by Alan B. Pearce

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLQFFIH2J0

Hmm, our corporate filter won't let me see it - something about
'inappropraiet' ...

2007\06\22@061831 by Roger, in Bangkok

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My military's martial-law feels that way about the entire site!
:-(


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> Hmm, our corporate filter won't let me see it - something about
> 'inappropraiet' ...
>
> -


'[OT]'
2007\09\14@235814 by David VanHorn
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>From an aquaintance of mine,  http://www.wherever.tv
It's in beta test, should be interesting, especially to expats.


'[OT]'
2008\05\05@110931 by Clint Sharp
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Hope I got the tag right. I need some advice from a friendly Canadian
about mobile phone prepay SIM cards and where to get them from in
Canada.. More than happy to take this off list to email but I need to
find out fairly quickly.

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2008\05\05@114029 by Alex Harford

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On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Clint Sharp <RemoveMEpiclistspam_OUTspamKILLspammit.edu> wrote:
> Hope I got the tag right. I need some advice from a friendly Canadian
>  about mobile phone prepay SIM cards and where to get them from in
>  Canada.. More than happy to take this off list to email but I need to
>  find out fairly quickly.

Fido is the only provider around here that uses SIM cards, AFAIK.
Virgin Mobile might, but they aren't anywhere near the marketshare of
Fido.  They are available at 7-11 stores, but you can also find them
on Ebay.

For example:
cgi.ebay.ca/Brand-New-Fido-sim-cards-Activation-Kit-Free-Shipping_W0QQitemZ180238017631QQihZ008QQcategoryZ29778QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

2008\05\05@115511 by Herbert Graf

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On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 15:33 +0100, Clint Sharp wrote:
> Hope I got the tag right. I need some advice from a friendly Canadian
> about mobile phone prepay SIM cards and where to get them from in
> Canada.. More than happy to take this off list to email but I need to
> find out fairly quickly.

Canada (and probably most of North America) is very backwards when it
comes to cell phones. Thing are much more complicated then they need to
be.

That said, getting a SIM isn't too much more difficult. We have two
providers that run GSM networks (although technically both are owned by
the same company). Rogers and Fido. Walk into either store and ask to
sign up for prepaid. That's right, you have to SIGN UP. They'll ask for
all your personal info and only then will they sell you a SIM and
activate it (this vs. my experience in Europe where buying a SIM was no
more complicated then buying a bag of crisps).

The SIM is $25 last I checked, you'll have to top up with something,
minimum $10.

Of course, the WONDERFUL surprise is that airtime expires here in VERY
short amounts of time. Most cards expire 30 days. Some 60. The odd one
90. The only card that expires after 1 year is the $100 card from
Rogers, but it's often hard to find.

Oh, and just in case you didn't know, almost ANY use of your cell phone
will cost you, that INCLUDES receiving calls. About the only thing that
usually free is receiving texts. And calling long distance to any but a
small number of countries is usually blocked.

TTYL

2008\05\08@040353 by Clint Sharp

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In message <1210002889.17200.38.camel@E2140>, Herbert Graf
<RemoveMEmailinglist4TakeThisOuTspamspamfarcite.net> writes
>On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 15:33 +0100, Clint Sharp wrote:
>> Hope I got the tag right. I need some advice from a friendly Canadian
>> about mobile phone prepay SIM cards and where to get them from in
>> Canada.. More than happy to take this off list to email but I need to
>> find out fairly quickly.
>The SIM is $25 last I checked, you'll have to top up with something,
>minimum $10.
That'll be fine. Providing they will register a foreign national of
course.
>
>Of course, the WONDERFUL surprise is that airtime expires here in VERY
>short amounts of time. Most cards expire 30 days. Some 60. The odd one
>90. The only card that expires after 1 year is the $100 card from
>Rogers, but it's often hard to find.
That's OK, it's for my parents who are leaving to visit relatives later
this week and only staying for three weeks. Roaming charges on their UK
phones are ridiculously expensive, $3 a minute to 'phone the UK and $5 a
minute to phone anywhere else plus $2.40 a minute to receive incoming
calls.
>
>Oh, and just in case you didn't know, almost ANY use of your cell phone
>will cost you, that INCLUDES receiving calls.
That's dreadful, really?  Does the originator of the call pay as well?
> About the only thing that
>usually free is receiving texts. And calling long distance to any but a
>small number of countries is usually blocked.
>
>TTYL
Apologies for all for the continued OT but this is the only forum where
I got a sensible answer, Yay PIClist. Thanks people, I knew someone
would help me here.
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Clint Sharp

2008\05\08@074224 by cdb

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There is one other thing to consider, is their UK GSM phone dual or
triple band?

I believe Canada is the same as the US, using 850MHz and 1900MHz.

I have found Vodafone to be cheaper than Virgin in roaming calls -
though that is from an Australia to UK perspective.

Colin
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2008\05\08@124328 by Herbert Graf

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On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 08:33 +0100, Clint Sharp wrote:
> >Oh, and just in case you didn't know, almost ANY use of your cell phone
> >will cost you, that INCLUDES receiving calls.
> That's dreadful, really?  Does the originator of the call pay as well?

Yup, and it depends.

The way cell phones work here is there's no difference to a caller
whether they are calling a landline or cell (in fact there's no easy way
to tell whether a number is a landline or cell, they all use the same
area code), they pay the same rate (local calls from a landline are
unlimited free in most cases).

So, to cover the cost the receiver pays. When a cell phone user calls
any number they pay as well.

TTYL


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2011\09\15@182241 by information
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It's probably because people put it in their spam filter because the
undelete function doesn't work. There is no confirmation email when you
click the undelete function on the web page. :-(


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From: RemoveMEpiclist-bouncesKILLspamspammit.edu [piclist-bouncesSTOPspamspamspam_OUTmit.edu] On Behalf Of
Joshua Shriver
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Sucks when crap like this gets through, because this isn't the first time
gmail flags it as spam then all of my piclist ends up in <spam>

rabble rabble
-Josh

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Tom Wrighton <spamBeGoneckn1ghtSTOPspamspamEraseMEyahoo.com> wrote:
> It's reliable. It helps me!.
>


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2012\02\01@080249 by information
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It's probably because people put it in their spam filter because the
undelete function doesn't work. There is no confirmation email when you
click the undelete function on the web page. :-(


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Sucks when crap like this gets through, because this isn't the first time
gmail flags it as spam then all of my piclist ends up in <spam>

rabble rabble
-Josh

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> It's reliable. It helps me!.
>


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2012\09\16@201025 by Robin Bussell
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I'd love to hear Russell's (or anyone else's for that matter ) take on what these two are doing:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alex9000/the-solar-pocket-factory-an-invention-adventure

Cheers,
        Robin

2012\09\17@045527 by RussellMc

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Robin Bussell wrote:

> I'd love to hear Russell's (or anyone else's for that matter ) take on
> what these two are doing:

> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alex9000/the-solar-pocket-factory-an-invention-adventure

Not a lot compared to what other people are offering on ebay  and the
internet in general  - and in fact less than some others BUT they do
offer a kitset and some get you going impetus which is helpful to
some.

I did like their clothespeg instant charger. Very cute

           http://www.instructables.com/id/Five-minute-solar-phone-charger/


An area which is vitally crucial (or crucially vital) that they do not
seem to have come to grips with yet is the range of extremely
important roles that encapulants play in making a PV panel.

They are currently offering epoxy resin.
As they correctly observe, epoxy is good for about two years of UV
exposure - and that depends on which epoxy you happen to use and
whether you leave the PV panels in the weather all the time or not.
Epoxy is a very poor material in many ways and was traditionally used
because it was easy to use, relatively cheap and available. A quick
skim indicates they do not do vacuum outgassing (can be done with low
tech equipment if desired) which cam be a major requirement. depending
on other factors.

I will not go into vast details on what and why an encapsulant should
be like but a good summary is low modulus (flexible) when set,
excellent voidless adhesion to PV material, low dissolved water
content, minimal UV degradation, minimal corrosive degradation
products with time. Note that water permeability is not the same as
dissolved water % and that the former  is far less important. For
detailed reasons why please advise consulting rates paid :-).




           Russell McMahon

2012\09\17@145440 by Joe Wronski

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I look into how solar panels are made from time to time.  I formerly concentrated on the soldering and tabbing, but today I found <www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UxOY_wpFo>.
I killed too much of the afternoon watching 3 parts, but learned a bit about encapsulation.  This guy didn't use any TPT backsheet, although he claims he does for better panels.  But the Dow Sylgard 184 encapsulant he used is pretty pricey.  Probably $60 worth to make a single panel.
Makes me think Russel's consulting rates might be worthwhile.  ;)
Joe W



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2012\09\17@201923 by RussellMc

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On 18 September 2012 06:54, Joe Wronski <spamBeGonejwronskispamKILLspamstillwatereng.net> wrote:
> I look into how solar panels are made from time to time.  I formerly
> concentrated on the soldering and tabbing, but today I found
> <www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UxOY_wpFo>.
> I killed too much of the afternoon watching 3 parts, but learned a bit
> about encapsulation.  This guy didn't use any TPT backsheet, although he
> claims he does for better panels.  But the Dow Sylgard 184 encapsulant
> he used is pretty pricey.  Probably $60 worth to make a single panel.

I haven't watched that yet, but (hopefully) will.

Dow Corning Sylgard 184 is as good a formal PV product as you will
find on the US market.
There may be others but if the manufacturer does not specify certain
essential criteria odds are it will be inferior.
DC do not disclose details of their magic directly but I discovered
(while looking for other things) a patent for one aspect of what is
involved in 184 that makes it especially suitable in this role apart
from the obvious parameters that you can measure. Not a whisper of
this in usual DC literature.

Note that as far as environmental protection goes you can probably
spread 184 as thinly as you can persuade it to go and it will do its
job. It's role is NOT to keep water vapour out - it is about 10 times
worse than EVA than that, but to keep liquid water off the surface
anywhere.

Lack of a backsheet is unwise unless he manages an all over 184
coating - in which case it is largely just a mechanical issue.

A product which was meant to be superior, also Dow Corning, is their PV-6100.
It was introduced with considerable promises and promise a few years
ago, and they were working with an independent company to make
automated PV production equipment, but I strongly suspect something
has gang very aglae, as it has vanished quietly off the distributors
lists and a query I made about a month ago to DC received a "not for
new customers" response. BUT if you follow up the various leads on
PV-6100 and what it did and why you'll learn much.

For something from somewhere else that appears to work well so far (5+
years of use)(not by me) and that seems to have many of the the right
characteristics, you may need to talk to me privately. Waving $
sometimes helps :-). (Not always needed). It's not available  to the
occasional  Western buyer so I'm not just hiding an available product.
Whether it does as well as it seems it will is as yet tbd.

I have reports somewhere that detail how to use 184 on the latest very
thin and fragile PV material with good success. In real life PV
material can sometimes be hard to work with. Cold temperatures are to
be avoided when manufacturing as it becomes even more brittle. .

For an encapsulant - if you had to use something easily available
then almost any silicone rubber that works for you will be a quantum
jump better than any epoxy. Lower modulus helps. Optical clarity will
need to be good, and this varies widely with formulation.  Epoxy is
susceptible to UV degradation due to bond energies relative to UV
energy. Silicone rubbers are inherently stable due to single bonds and
Si-O rather than C-C structure. A silicone rubber can provide a 20+
year outdoor life. Epoxy is liable to be dead in 2 to 3 years and much
less in some places (like NZ with generally high UV levels).



         Russell McMaho

2012\09\18@211501 by Jonathan Hallameyer

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Interesting videos,  And made me think of a particular silicone that
smooth-on started selling somewhat recently
www.smooth-on.com/Silicone-Rubber-an/c2_1115_1381/index.html?catdepth=1
 Slightly cheaper than sylgard 184 ebay 1/2kg kit rates, but not
knowing which essential criteria Russel is looking for I cant really
say how it would compare, mixed viscosity is lower, so I'd imagine it
would flow better. It comes with a primer but they dont give any
strength criteria for glass primed, unprimed etc... and how it would
compare to sylgard.

Any word on EVA vs Tedlar/PVF/TPE vs TPT films as backers? Diminishing
returns vs cost?  Or is that getting into consultant territory ;) ?




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2012\09\18@235619 by RussellMc

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> Interesting videos,  And made me think of a particular silicone that
> smooth-on started selling somewhat recently
>
> www.smooth-on.com/Silicone-Rubber-an/c2_1115_1381/index.html?catdepth=1
>   Slightly cheaper than sylgard 184 ebay 1/2kg kit rates, but not
> knowing which essential criteria Russel is looking for I cant really
> say how it would compare,

I listed them in my 1st email. Here they are again. See above for
slightly more detail.

.... low modulus (flexible) when set,
excellent voidless adhesion to PV material, low dissolved water
content, minimal UV degradation, minimal corrosive degradation
products with time.

>mixed viscosity is lower, so I'd imagine it
> would flow better.

Could be useful.

> It comes with a primer but they dont give any
> strength criteria for glass primed, unprimed etc...

Adhesion to the PV material matters more.

> and how it would compare to sylgard.

Those who tell don't know. Those who know don't tell.
Build, test in weather. Accelerated test. .. :-)


        R



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2013\04\03@162239 by Randy
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Hi Jim, I haven't forgotten the PC boards, I have just been super busy at
Church and with a couple of other projects for an old customer of mine.

Randy Abernathy
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Acworth, GA 30101
Phone: 678-982-0235
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