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2003\05\13@094240 by Jinx

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I have conflicting opinions about whether it's possible to upgrade
from 98 to 98 Second Edition

I'm led to believe that 95 to 98SE is OK, but 98 to 98SE is not
possible, and that the 98 will have to be removed first

What's the skinny ? For example, if 98 removal is required, will
98SE search out and maintain links, pathways, h/w settings etc ?

TIA

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2003\05\13@094655 by Tal

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Jinx

From my experience do install from scratch.
The best way to avoid problems.

Tal

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I have conflicting opinions about whether it's possible to upgrade
from 98 to 98 Second Edition

I'm led to believe that 95 to 98SE is OK, but 98 to 98SE is not
possible, and that the 98 will have to be removed first

What's the skinny ? For example, if 98 removal is required, will
98SE search out and maintain links, pathways, h/w settings etc ?

TIA

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2003\05\13@095248 by Jinx

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> From my experience do install from scratch.
> The best way to avoid problems.
>
> Tal

That's my policy too whenever possible. I'd just like to avoid
pulling apart a "well-settled" Desktop. At least for the moment
anyway, I'd like to give it a good clean out sometime though

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2003\05\13@102813 by Werner Soekoe

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Nasty trick:

Boot in DOS mode (Command Prompt), do CD \WINDOWS and DEL WIN.COM (as an
alternative, rather REName the file to WIN.BAK for instance). Then reboot
using Ctrl-Alt-Del, but boot from the 98SE install disk. When asked if you'd
like to install to C:\WINDOWS.000 (doesn't always happen), just choose
C:\WINDOWS and continue. It should "update" to Windows 98SE, keeping
settings, etc in tact.

Sometimes it is also necessary to delete the file C:\SYSTEM.1ST, which is
hidden and system. This can be changed with the old DOS command >attrib -srh
<filename>.

Even though I cannot put any guarantees to this, I have personally used this
method a few times. I have to clearly state that I won't be responsible if
anything goes wrong. :-)

Cheers
Werner


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2003\05\13@111932 by Tal

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... And as always, do a good backup before you start ;-)

You can clone your disk with Norton Ghost and then try on the cloned
copy.

Tal

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2003\05\13@115149 by Herbert Graf

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> I have conflicting opinions about whether it's possible to upgrade
> from 98 to 98 Second Edition
>
> I'm led to believe that 95 to 98SE is OK, but 98 to 98SE is not
> possible, and that the 98 will have to be removed first

       I don't know who'd tell you otherwise but you can most definitely upgrade
from win98 to win98se. TTYL

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2003\05\13@122617 by Brian Aase

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> I have conflicting opinions about whether it's possible to upgrade
> from 98 to 98 Second Edition
>
> I'm led to believe that 95 to 98SE is OK, but 98 to 98SE is not
> possible, and that the 98 will have to be removed first

I certainly did upgrade from 98 to 98SE (original Pentium-200 machine,
Asus mboard) with no problems at all.  Every MS upgrade, though,
leaves behind a certain amount of "junk" and bloated registry files, as
compared to a clean install.  So I prefer to install from scratch when
possible for that reason.

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2003\05\13@152818 by SavanaPics

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I have made many conversions from Win98 to Win98SE without any problems at
all. I used to be a PC Tech for Best Buy.  The major reason for most of the
upgrades was for USB support if I remember correctly.  But I can't think of a
single time I had a problem upgrading.  in fact when you stick the SE cd in
the drive it comes up us and says " This is a newer versio xxxxxxxxx  do you
want to upgrade"

Eddie, kc4awz

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2003\05\13@172153 by Jinx

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> I don't know who'd tell you otherwise but you can most definitely
> upgrade from win98 to win98se. TTYL

One MCSE tech had the OS installed a long time ago and told me
it was 98SE (I distinctly remember him emphasising that), another
MCSE tech in the past couple days told me that 98 -> 98SE is not
possible. The reason for the upgrade is that the OS is not in fact
98SE but plain old 98. I've only just found this out because a h/w
wizard won't run without 98SE

Who am I to argue with MCSE techs ?

Thanks for replies

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2003\05\13@172939 by William Chops Westfield

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My understanding has always been that going from W98 to W98se is not
actually an "upgrade", but just an "update."  In theory, if you have all the
latest patches for W98, then you're already running w98se.  Except for those
device drivers (notably the bits that allow USB mass storage drivers) that
seem to be on the W98se CD but not otherwise available. :-(

Microsoft USED to offer a cheap ($14.95) CD that was the W98se *update* for
W98 owners.  The widely available ~$100 W98se "upgrade" package was for W95
owners...  Of course, microsoft has no interest in supporting an OS that is
several generations old, so I couldn't find any signs of the update CD last
time I looked for it.  Should've got it when it was first available :-(

BillW

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2003\05\13@174357 by Jinx

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> Of course, microsoft has no interest in supporting an OS
> that is several generations old

At the MS site there's a section entitled "Still Using Windows 98?"

From the tone of some paragraphs I think they should add "you
poor poor thing you" or "So, you're living in the Stone Age....." ;-)

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2003\05\13@180518 by Mike Singer

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Jinx wrote:
> At the MS site there's a section entitled "Still Using
>Windows 98?"
>
> From the tone of some paragraphs I think they should
> add "you poor poor thing you" or "So, you're living in
> the Stone Age....." ;-)

Jinx,

  These guy's making their bread isn't easy, is it?

Have look at:

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winserver2k3_gold2.asp

Mike.

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2003\05\13@182134 by Herbert Graf

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> > I don't know who'd tell you otherwise but you can most definitely
> > upgrade from win98 to win98se. TTYL
>
> One MCSE tech had the OS installed a long time ago and told me
> it was 98SE (I distinctly remember him emphasising that), another
> MCSE tech in the past couple days told me that 98 -> 98SE is not
> possible. The reason for the upgrade is that the OS is not in fact
> 98SE but plain old 98. I've only just found this out because a h/w
> wizard won't run without 98SE
>
> Who am I to argue with MCSE techs ?

       Well that certainly looks bad on MSCE techs doesn't it?! TTYL

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2003\05\13@185826 by Jinx

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> > Who am I to argue with MCSE techs ?
>
> Well that certainly looks bad on MSCE techs doesn't it?! TTYL

Yes, it does. It's sad when you have to assume that people who
should know better may be talking garbage. Not the only instance
lately of bad info, and I'm getting more than a little peed off

grump gruimp grump

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2003\05\13@191250 by Herbert Graf

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> > > Who am I to argue with MCSE techs ?
> >
> > Well that certainly looks bad on MSCE techs doesn't it?! TTYL
>
> Yes, it does. It's sad when you have to assume that people who
> should know better may be talking garbage. Not the only instance
> lately of bad info, and I'm getting more than a little peed off

       Well you can't blame them too much, they have been "taught" by Microsoft,
and Microsoft wants money, a cheap way to upgrade an "out of date" OS (in
their eyes) to another out of date OS is not in their best interests.
Personally I'd be using Linux 24/7 right now if a way to sync Microsoft PPCs
existed... doh. TTYL

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2003\05\13@192529 by Jinx

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>    These guy's making their bread isn't easy, is it?

> http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winserver2k3_gold2.asp
>
> Mike.

And it shouldn't be

"Whoever controls the media -the images- controls the culture"

Allen Ginsberg

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2003\05\14@040045 by Quentin

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>
>One MCSE tech had the OS installed a long time ago and told me
>> it was 98SE (I distinctly remember him emphasising that), another
>> MCSE tech in the past couple days told me that 98 -> 98SE is not
>> possible. The reason for the upgrade is that the OS is not in fact
>> 98SE but plain old 98. I've only just found this out because a h/w
>> wizard won't run without 98SE
>
OK, it's been a couple of years and I speak under correction (I prolly
going to confuse you now). There never was an upgrade from 98 to 98SE.
98SE came out as a new edition which you buy. AFAIK there were a couple
of files you can download to "repair" some bugs and features for 98 but
no real upgrade to 98SE.
Search the archive at this site, maybe you will find an answer:
http://www.annoyances.org/

And this will be this first (and maybe the last) time I am going to say
something good about M$:
I upgraded from 98 to XP a month or so ago (Also because I needed
upgraded drivers). Now my PC only crash once every two weeks instead of
twice a week. :)
And it did not overwrite my Linux Grub MBR (which I found very suprising).

Quentin

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2003\05\14@040713 by Quentin

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Reading your original msg I now think you want to _replace_ 98 with 98SE
to upgrade and not just upgrade _from_ 98 to 98SE? Sorry, misunderstood
you and can't help there. But still try the link I gave.

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2003\05\14@052748 by Jinx

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> Reading your original msg I now think you want to _replace_ 98
> with 98SE to upgrade and not just upgrade _from_ 98 to 98SE?

Correct. I've found what will probably be the answer. I've been
given an MS CD that was bought bundled with other s/w. It says
it's for 3.11 and 95 users to upgrade to 98SE. Not yet investigated
closely but when I put it in the drive a message says it's a newer
version of Windows than presently installed (ie 98) and would I
like to upgrade to the latest version of 98

As the cover says it's for 95 users, I'm not sure if clicking "Yes",
no matter how tempting, is a good idea. The plan is to remove 98,
install 95B and then upgrade to 98SE from there. Sound OK ?

> But still try the link I gave.

Haven't had a look at annoyances for a while. It's a good resource

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2003\05\14@100030 by Douglas Wood

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Jinx,

Try this: Make an image of your C drive with PowerQuest's Drive image. Then
muck about with your system all you want. Simply restore the original image
later if things don't work out for you. I do this all the time.

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2003\05\14@191106 by Patrick J

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> As the cover says it's for 95 users, I'm not sure if clicking "Yes",
> no matter how tempting, is a good idea. The plan is to remove 98,
> install 95B and then upgrade to 98SE from there. Sound OK ?

Since ure about to ditch your current install anyway theres a better
way still. First BACKUP. If u have any data u care about. Norton
Ghost would be ideal.

- Start by format ya C-drive
- Then install 98SE
(dont think that one is bootable so u need a startfloppy w cd-rom drivers)
- When 98SE asks for the w95, u just load and point it to the 95 CD.
(saves u some 95 trash on the hdd to mess up 98)

This should present you with a clean fresh 98se install.
(btw, if u Ghost this new install your system can be restored in
5 minutes if the worst happens)

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2003\05\14@200307 by Jinx

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> Since ure about to ditch your current install anyway theres a
> better way still. First BACKUP. If u have any data u care about.
> Norton Ghost would be ideal

Thanks for the advice. Although I've been trying to avoid doing
it because of the time involved, I may as well suck my guts in
and give the machine a complete clean-up/overhaul. Chances
are it will take all weekend, at least, to burn the drives to CD,
format them and then start with a clean machine. Important data,
notably anything "I" create such as PIC programs and images, are
routinely written to CD/floppy so they're always safe. I've had the
same two 8GB drives for years and they rarely get over half-full.
Downloaded pdfs, exes etc go straight to CD. As long as Win,
mail, web, and micro tools are up and running then life will pretty
much carry on as normal. Other progs can be re-installed as and
when needed. Might even bump up the RAM or upgrade the uP
if the mood strikes me

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2003\05\14@204603 by Patrick J

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> Thanks for the advice. Although I've been trying to avoid doing
> it because of the time involved,

eh? ghost takes around 5-15 mins depending on the hdd size

> I may as well suck my guts in
> and give the machine a complete clean-up/overhaul. Chances
> are it will take all weekend, at least, to burn the drives to CD,
> format them and then start with a clean machine. Important data,

hehe, not a chance if u know what ure doing the slightest :-)

If you have 2 partitions or even two harddrives in your PC
ghost is ideal! it takes like 5-10 minutes to ghost c: to d:
after that you can experiment with a fresh install on c:
(with the fallback to go back to current setup in 5 minutes)

No need to burn the images if u dont want to. You should be able
to finish a complete install in 45-60 mins.

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2003\05\14@213928 by Jinx

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> > Thanks for the advice. Although I've been trying to avoid doing
> > it because of the time involved,
>
> eh? ghost takes around 5-15 mins depending on the hdd size

Don't forget this all started with a 5 minute job to install a card, and
look what it's turned into. I don't count on anything working out as
easy as it "should have been", but I appreciate where you're coming
from

I've a very eclectic collection of s/w and data. Unfortunately I don't
always have the time or motivation to be as rigorously tidy as I am
enthusiastic about collecting it in the first place, but that's probably
how most people end up. The OS side of things isn't so much of a
worry - it's getting sidetracked (personally or by the OS) into a clean-
up that I'll need to consider

OTOH, it's probably sensible to have a separate PC for work and
play to minimise down-time, and that's something I could put some
thought into

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2003\05\23@081100 by Jinx

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Trying to install Win95B I get this error message and setup stops

========================================

SU-0013
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To set up Windows 95, your startup drive must be an MS-DOS boot partition.
If your startup drive is an HPFS or Windows NT file system, you must create
an MS-DOS boot partition before running Setup. For more information, on
creating an MS-DOS boot partition, see the documentation that came with
your computer

========================================

The single C: 40GB drive is completely empty. It's been formatted and
the whole drive is 1 DOS FAT32 partition. I've never had this problem
with 95B before and 98 (which I don't want) installs OK. Any ideas for
a solution ?

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2003\05\23@092647 by Alan B. Pearce

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>The single C: 40GB drive is completely empty. It's been formatted and
>the whole drive is 1 DOS FAT32 partition. I've never had this problem
>with 95B before and 98 (which I don't want) installs OK. Any ideas for
>a solution ?

I'm pretty sure that 95 of any flavour will not recognise a FAT32 partition
when installing. IIRC there was some fudge once it was installed that
allowed you to then set the partition to FAT32.

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2003\05\23@093347 by Paul Hutchinson

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If you used a Win98 boot floppy to "fdisk" and "format /s" the drive you
will see this error. The solution is to use a Win95B boot floppy.

Paul

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2003\05\23@101444 by Jinx

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> I'm pretty sure that 95 of any flavour will not recognise a FAT32
> partition when installing. IIRC there was some fudge once it was
> installed that allowed you to then set the partition to FAT32.

I've looked into that a little more. This page here

www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Win95_3x/Win95/Q_10235077.
html

has all kinds of scenarios for Win, FAT and partitions

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2003\05\23@101503 by Jinx

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> If you used a Win98 boot floppy to "fdisk" and "format /s" the drive you
> will see this error. The solution is to use a Win95B boot floppy.
>
> Paul

I think that's the problem. http://www.bootdisk.com has what's needed

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2003\05\23@103211 by Herbert Graf

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> >The single C: 40GB drive is completely empty. It's been formatted and
> >the whole drive is 1 DOS FAT32 partition. I've never had this problem
> >with 95B before and 98 (which I don't want) installs OK. Any ideas for
> >a solution ?
>
> I'm pretty sure that 95 of any flavour will not recognise a FAT32
> partition
> when installing. IIRC there was some fudge once it was installed that
> allowed you to then set the partition to FAT32.

       Win95 OSR2 (also called Win95B) and later support FAT32 without issues.
TTYL

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2003\05\23@143656 by Dave King

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At 06:25 AM 23/05/03, you wrote:
> >The single C: 40GB drive is completely empty. It's been formatted and
> >the whole drive is 1 DOS FAT32 partition. I've never had this problem
> >with 95B before and 98 (which I don't want) installs OK. Any ideas for
> >a solution ?
>
>I'm pretty sure that 95 of any flavour will not recognise a FAT32 partition
>when installing. IIRC there was some fudge once it was installed that
>allowed you to then set the partition to FAT32.

You got it, WWin95 is still Fat16/Dos while 98 recognizes Fat32. Fat16
will not recognize/use partitions bigger than 2gb in size. So you either need
to re partition the drive with FDisk making sure not to enable Fat32 and
keeping all 20 or so partitions under 2gb.

Why the problem with 98? 98SE is pretty stable and doesn't those wonderful
problems that 95 did but still has the same features. Or are you putting this
on a resource limited machine?

Dave

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2003\05\23@191117 by Jinx

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> Why the problem with 98? 98SE is pretty stable

(as the Subject says), briefly I want 98SE but I've only got
plain 98, which can't be upgraded with a 98SE upgrade
CD so I'm trying to go via 95B

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2003\05\24@050309 by Peter L. Peres

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Jinx, 95 does not support partitions greater than 2GB at install time.
Delete the existing partition and let W create its own, then you can add
2G partitions later (each with its own letter). Why would you want to do
this ?!

Peter

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2003\05\24@053836 by Jake Anderson

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win95 supports partitions > 2GB i believe
you just have to enable large volume support when you fdisk the drive
(ie dont use dos 6 boot disk)
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2003\05\24@113900 by Herbert Graf

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> Jinx, 95 does not support partitions greater than 2GB at install time.
> Delete the existing partition and let W create its own, then you can add
> 2G partitions later (each with its own letter). Why would you want to do
> this ?!

       Actually, win95B and above does indeed support FAT32 and therefore does
indeed support partition sizes greater then 2GB. TTYL

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2003\05\24@232031 by Michael Davidson

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>> Why the problem with 98? 98SE is pretty stable
>
>(as the Subject says), briefly I want 98SE but I've only got
>plain 98, which can't be upgraded with a 98SE upgrade
>CD so I'm trying to go via 95B

Is it saying something to the effect that the version you have
is for OEM distribution only? If so try deleting (or renaming)
win.com from the Windows directory. I recall that working for
upgrades to 95, not sure if it works post-95.
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2003\05\25@051139 by Hugo

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There seem to be some confusion over MS OS'es, so I whipped together this
list.


Win95:
Really a 16 bit OS with 32 bit addons.
No FAT32 support.
Limited USB support.
FAT16 allows for a maximum size of 2 GB for a primary partition, and 4 GB
for an extended.
Almost full access to hardware.
Most installations require a reboot every day or so...

Win95B (OSR2, OSR2.5):
Same as above except:
Improved USB support (though not perfect).
FAT32 support added (allows for large partitions but computer BIOS often
limited on HD size).

Win98:
Same as above except:
Everything streamlined, USB works ok.

Win98SE:
Same as above except:
Internet sharing added for peer-to-peer networks.
support for multiple displays.

WinME:
Meant as an upgrade to Win98SE.
Don't use it!
It's a miracle that the anti-virus progs don't catch it!

=========================================================================

WinNT4:
True 32 bit OS with real security (albeit with a few holes in it...)
No USB support (although I think there were 3:rd party offerings)
No FAT32 support.
NTFS support. Allows for file level security and large volumes.
No direct access to hardware, all has to go through device drivers.
Very stable.
Available in Server and Workstation flavours.

Win2000 (NT5):
Built on NT kernel so same as above except:
Full USB support.
FAT32 support added.
Improved/extended admin tools.
Active Directory introduced.
Available as Professional (desktop) and a few server versions.

WinXP (NT5.1):
Built on NT kernel so same as above except:
Improved(?) user interface. Different anyways.
Often called 'Windows Teletubbies' for its colorful UI.
Most devices install themselves automagically.
The best MS desktop OS in my personal opinion.
Available in Home and Pro versions. Differs mainly in networking
capabilities (Home can't connect to domain)

Windows 2003:
Built on NT kernel so same as above except:
Latest NT based server OS.



Not a complete list by far, aimed as an overview only.


/Hugo

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2003\05\25@070421 by Jinx

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> Win98:
>  Same as above except:
>  Everything streamlined, USB works ok.
>
> Win98SE:
>  Same as above except:
>  Internet sharing added for peer-to-peer networks.
>  support for multiple displays.

Thanks for that breakdown (no pun intended) of Win. I'm not
a great student of Win and know just enough to get in trouble ;-)
although I have fixed quite a few problems in other people's
machine's that were set up by supposedly more knowlegeable
folk than I, so maybe I'm not so bad after all

I could add that many recently-released installation CDs I've
tried just lately require a minimum of 98SE. Anything less and
they just don't want to know. As it's been some time since I set
up a PC this was quite an unexpected rug-puller

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2003\05\25@072735 by Russell McMahon

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> Win98:
>  Same as above except:
>  Everything streamlined, USB works ok.
>
> Win98SE:
>  Same as above except:
>  Internet sharing added for peer-to-peer networks.
>  support for multiple displays.

USB 1.1
Doesn't like USB2

> WinME:
>  Meant as an upgrade to Win98SE.
>  Don't use it!
>  It's a miracle that the anti-virus progs don't catch it!

Automagically detects and uses storage class USB devices.
USB2 support.




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2003\05\25@094131 by Hugo

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Well. as a matter of fact, there are quite a few other differences too, but
this was not intended as a bit by bit comparison.

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Any number of features can't make up for it being notoriously unreliable.

/Hugo

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2003\05\25@101949 by Herbert Graf

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Sorry, gotta modify that a bit:

> There seem to be some confusion over MS OS'es, so I whipped together this
> list.
>
>
> Win95:
>  Really a 16 bit OS with 32 bit addons.
>  No FAT32 support.
>  Limited USB support.

       Change that to NO USB support, Win95 and 95A had no USB support.

>  FAT16 allows for a maximum size of 2 GB for a primary partition, and 4 GB
> for an extended.
>  Almost full access to hardware.
>  Most installations require a reboot every day or so...
>
> Win95B (OSR2, OSR2.5):
>  Same as above except:
>  Improved USB support (though not perfect).

       Change that to: a joke of USB support, while there, it's practically
useless.

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2003\05\25@102205 by Herbert Graf

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> > > WinME:
> > >  Meant as an upgrade to Win98SE.
> > >  Don't use it!
> > >  It's a miracle that the anti-virus progs don't catch it!
> >
> > Automagically detects and uses storage class USB devices.
> > USB2 support.
> >
>
> Any number of features can't make up for it being notoriously unreliable.

       Actually my laptop runs WinME and it is no more or less reliable then
Win98SE.

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2003\05\25@125632 by Phil Seakins

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At 12:21 AM 26/05/03, you wrote:
>> > > WinME:
>> > >  Meant as an upgrade to Win98SE.
>> > >  Don't use it!
>> > >  It's a miracle that the anti-virus progs don't catch it!
>> >
>> > Automagically detects and uses storage class USB devices.
>> > USB2 support.
>> >
>>
>> Any number of features can't make up for it being notoriously unreliable.
>
>        Actually my laptop runs WinME and it is no more or less reliable then
>Win98SE.
                                                                           ^^^

It's not "then" it's "than". Very common error.

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2003\05\25@133150 by Peter L. Peres

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>> Jinx, 95 does not support partitions greater than 2GB at install time.
>> Delete the existing partition and let W create its own, then you can
>> add 2G partitions later (each with its own letter). Why would you want
>> to do this ?!

>        Actually, win95B and above does indeed support FAT32 and
> therefore does indeed support partition sizes greater then 2GB. TTYL

Not at install time. I.e. you cannot install directly onto an existing
FAT32 partition. You can reinstall onto it but not the first time around.
I know, I tried. Maybe your release/version whatever is different.

Peter

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2003\05\25@145644 by Herbert Graf

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>  >> Any number of features can't make up for it being notoriously
> unreliable.
>  >
>  >        Actually my laptop runs WinME and it is no more or less
> reliable then
>  >Win98SE.
>
>           ^^^
>
> It's not "then" it's "than". Very common error.

       You do know what most people consider a person who's only reason for
posting is to correct grammar?

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2003\05\25@150302 by Herbert Graf

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> >> Jinx, 95 does not support partitions greater than 2GB at install time.
> >> Delete the existing partition and let W create its own, then you can
> >> add 2G partitions later (each with its own letter). Why would you want
> >> to do this ?!
>
> >        Actually, win95B and above does indeed support FAT32 and
> > therefore does indeed support partition sizes greater then 2GB. TTYL
>
> Not at install time. I.e. you cannot install directly onto an existing
> FAT32 partition. You can reinstall onto it but not the first time around.
> I know, I tried. Maybe your release/version whatever is different.

       Strange, I always format, fdisk and copy over the contents of a win CD to
the hard drive being installed on (makes things much quicker) and I've
installed Win95B and C multiple times using this technique. It has worked
with every version of Windows I've tried it on. I guess it's you're version.
TTYL

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2003\05\25@162215 by Hugo

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Very true, my bad.

It's been a while since last tinkering with Win95.

/Hugo


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> Sorry, gotta modify that a bit:
>
> > There seem to be some confusion over MS OS'es, so I whipped together
this
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GB
> > for an extended.
> >  Almost full access to hardware.
> >  Most installations require a reboot every day or so...
> >
> > Win95B (OSR2, OSR2.5):
> >  Same as above except:
> >  Improved USB support (though not perfect).
>
>         Change that to: a joke of USB support, while there, it's
practically
> useless.
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2003\05\25@172324 by William Chops Westfield

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>    There seem to be some confusion over MS OS'es, so I whipped
>    together this list.

My impression is that W98se was the last release that didn't include an
objectionable level of microsoft spyware.  Is that essentially correct?
(I suppose that they'll all still install without being connected to any
network, if I'm really paranoid.  Microsoft isn't quite ready to require
and internet connection for their product to work...)

While I have experts' attention - The consumer-friendly and corporate
systems I use all seem to have enough of the windows install files on
them that I don't constantly get the "please insert the CD" messages
everytime I connect some new HW device.  Is there some trick to this,
or is it just a matter of copying the CD content to the HD somewhere?

(ObPIC: I won a picKit at ESC.  Pretty nice.  Installs on W98 (after
some difficultty.  grr.) as a "Human Interface Device."  Gross.  But
clever.

BillW

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2003\05\25@184236 by Michael Davidson

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>While I have experts' attention - The consumer-friendly and corporate
>systems I use all seem to have enough of the windows install files on
>them that I don't constantly get the "please insert the CD" messages
>everytime I connect some new HW device.  Is there some trick to this,
>or is it just a matter of copying the CD content to the HD somewhere?

Most of the time the files it's after already exist and it's just as a
(rather
weak) piracy prevention measure. Whenever it pops up asking for the CD
change the path to one of c:\windows (Or wherever you have it installed),
c:\windows\system, c:\windows\help and there's another path that I can't
recall. It will "install" all files in that path it was after, which makes it
much
easier and less frustrating to do than it sounds.

Michael
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