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Hi, I came across a requirement for which I did not have any solution. May be some person can advise me. The problem is to identify small tools that may be left over in a cabin or small area after the work is done. Sorry if I am obtuse but I do not have much more information than that. These left over tools may cause problem during operation. The basic idea is that there should be some way some person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be small ones like screwdrivers etc. Does any body have any idea if such a thing can be done. rgds ramana b v -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email spam_OUTlistservTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

Ramana B.V wrote: > > Hi, > I came across a requirement for which I did not have any solution. May be > some person can advise me. > > The problem is to identify small tools that may be left over in a cabin or > small area after the work is done. Sorry if I am obtuse but I do not have > much more information than that. These left over tools may cause problem > during operation. The basic idea is that there should be some way some > person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be small > ones like screwdrivers etc. > Does any body have any idea if such a thing can be done. Glow in the dark paint on the tools, then turn the lights off?? :o) -Roman -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email .....listservKILLspam@spam@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

>The basic idea is that there should be some way some > person can identify and locate the left over tool Metal detector ? You could build a very simple one from a kit. A tool big enough to hold would be picked up easily RFID ? Tag the tools and then either scan the room or install a loop around the place that will beep if there's a tool in range In either case make sure you haven't got tools in your pockets or you'll be forever wandering around the cabin Reminds me of the pin head who tried to shoplift a very expensive suit. To avoid detection, he put the security tags in the pocket. I'm afraid they still work in pockets -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listservKILLspammitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:46:31 +1200 Jinx <.....joecolquittKILLspam.....CLEAR.NET.NZ> writes: > Reminds me of the pin head who tried to shoplift a very > expensive suit. To avoid detection, he put the security > tags in the pocket. I'm afraid they still work in pockets > Reminds me of the old Laurel and Hardy situation where they are moving a dresser. They figure it would weigh less if they took the drawers out. So, they do take the drawers out, then set them on top of the dresser and continue with the move. Harold FCC Rules Online at http://hallikainen.com/FccRules Lighting control for theatre and television at http://www.dovesystems.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: dl.http://www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email EraseMElistservspam_OUTTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body

"The basic idea is that there should be some way some person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be small ones like screwdrivers etc." Inventory and mark tools, record their check-out then record when checked back in. Using barcodes perhaps? "... and locate the left-over tool ..." Attache the same device used in library books and store merchandise - then pass over the work-area the device used to detect these 'tags'. How much trouble will a small 'tag' hanging (but attached) to a pair of pliers or a 3/8" SAE socket be in use? Could be plenty ... Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gennette, Bruce" <bruce.gennettespam_OUTTAFE.NSW.EDU.AU> To: <@spam@PICLISTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [OT]:Transponder? You don't need high tech if you can whistle. Get down to your nearest electronics store and buy a few 'whistling keyrings'. Attach them to the tools. At the job pack up your tools and put them in your truck (van, car, etc), then return to the site and whistle - any tools left behind will beep. KISS. Bye. {Original Message removed}

Normally there is a person endowed with this responsability and everything that goes in and comes out is counted. It helps to have complete uniform toolboxes. A notepad and some discipline is all it takes. If you are truly paranoid you can paint the tools with fluorescent paint, and at the end of the work, turn off the lights and use (an) UV lamp(s). Any fluorescent shine is trouble, go fetch it. Fluorescent tape and paint is readily available (see disco supplies although you want something more durable for tools). The same technique can be used to mark bad parts during repair. When done check. If it lights up, you have mounted some bad parts back into the unit. Congratulations (it happens to everyone after enough sleepless nights and stress). It all depends on how paranoid this is really. Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList KILLspampiclist-unsubscribe-requestKILLspammitvma.mit.edu

> If it was the 1950's I might suggest making the tools radioactive... Good idea !! Use plutonium then you'd only have to worry about tools for a few days How about a custom toolbox with a continuity tester built in. If the tools aren't in their right places or one's missing the thing squawks -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu

Pink is a good color, reduces theft. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter L. Peres" <spamBeGoneplpspamBeGoneACTCOM.CO.IL> To: <TakeThisOuTPICLISTEraseMEspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 7:27 AM Subject: [OT]:Transponder? {Quote hidden}> Normally there is a person endowed with this responsability and everything > that goes in and comes out is counted. It helps to have complete > uniform toolboxes. A notepad and some discipline is all it takes. > > If you are truly paranoid you can paint the tools with fluorescent paint, > and at the end of the work, turn off the lights and use (an) UV lamp(s). > Any fluorescent shine is trouble, go fetch it. Fluorescent tape and paint > is readily available (see disco supplies although you want something more > durable for tools). The same technique can be used to mark bad parts > during repair. When done check. If it lights up, you have mounted some bad > parts back into the unit. Congratulations (it happens to everyone after > enough sleepless nights and stress). > > It all depends on how paranoid this is really. > > Peter > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList > RemoveMEpiclist-unsubscribe-requestTakeThisOuTmitvma.mit.edu > > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Hello Ramana & PIC.ers, I'm reminded of the way Dassault (many years ago) rid the cockpits of all the `extra' tools, rivets & loose bits after the riggers were finished and the plane was being readied for flight. The factory had a special jig to turn the whole thing upside-down and give it a wonderful shake.... Less light-heartedly, I'm also on a long term hunt for a similar passive device, to be detected within a vehicle cabin. Security, codes etc., are a non-requirement for this app. mere presence or absence is sufficient. Any pointers? A PIC can surely be employed somewhere in it. {Quote hidden}>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:03:28 +0530 >From: "Ramana B.V" <ramanabvEraseME.....DANLAWINC.COM> >Subject: [OT]:Transponder? > >Hi, >I came across a requirement for which I did not have any solution. May be >some person can advise me. > >The problem is to identify small tools that may be left over in a cabin or >small area after the work is done. Sorry if I am obtuse but I do not have >much more information than that. These left over tools may cause problem >during operation. The basic idea is that there should be some way some >person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be small >ones like screwdrivers etc. >Does any body have any idea if such a thing can be done. > >rgds >ramana b v best regards, John e-mail from the desk of John Sanderson, JS Controls. Snailmail: PO Box 1887, Boksburg 1460, Rep. of South Africa. Tel/fax: Johannesburg 893 4154 Cellphone no: 082 741 6275 email: EraseMEjsandpixie.co.za Manufacturer & purveyor of laboratory force testing apparatus, and related products and services. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

John wrote: > The factory had a special jig to turn the whole thing upside-down > and give it a wonderful shake.... OK, that is a bit extreme :). When I was in the airforce, all tools had to be kept in a store. You sign a tool (box) out and it is inspected on return. All tools must be signed back before any planes go out the hanger. If a tool is missing, all planes are grounded until that tool is found. Quentin -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

I'm thinking that toolboxes weigh something. How about a strain gauge in the handle, going in you press the 'going in' button, coming out you check the 'going out' button, if the two weights are different, then do: void toolcheck(weight_in, weight_out){ if(weight_out >weight_in){printf( "sticky fingers"); high_beep()}; if (weight_in>weight_out){printf("somethings missing"); low_beep()}; printf("you're fine");nice_beep(); } alice > Pink is a good color, reduces theft. > > {Original Message removed}

At 11:24 PM 8/14/01 -0700, you wrote: >Pink is a good color, reduces theft. I have a pink pair of diagonal pliers, and a "hot" pink heat gun. Over the years other tools have strayed, but these have never been "lost". In Boulder, there is a company that will paint your bicycle with any outrageous scheme you like. Keeps all the guys with "Stranded in Boulder signs" panhandling at the intersections where they belong, rather than riding boosted bikes out of town. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Then there was the "Gemini Patch", a large piece of double sticky tape put on the access hatches to the Gemini space capsules. Any loose bits floating around the capsule would become stuck to the patch and would no longer be a danger. I do that for underwater cameras I work on. I put a big piece of double sided carpet tape on the side of the housing where it won't get in the way. Every once in a while I find lock washers or other debris stuck to the tape, that would otherwise be bouncing off the lenses. Sherpa Doug > {Original Message removed}

At 01:12 PM 8/15/01 -0500, Jim wrote: >Did we have another application of >down-to-earth technology in a 'space >environ', to wit: > >"Fly Paper" = "Gemini Patch" ? But probably $1k per patch, if for no other reason than needing to be safe in a pure oxygen atmosphere. -- Dave's Engineering Page: http://www.dvanhorn.org I would have a link to http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?KC6ETE-9 here in my signature line, but due to the inability of sysadmins at TELOCITY to differentiate a signature line from the text of an email, I am forbidden to have it. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads

Shades of an article in TIME...where the workers left tools inside the airframe of a cargo jet....that may have be very very bad..had not been discovered. If this is a safety issue.....log all the tools in and out of the tool bin each and every day. Who took it...who returned it. If you still want electronics...put a card reader to open the tool bin so you have record of who was accessing it. {Quote hidden}>From: Roman Black <RemoveMEfastvidEraseMEEraseMEEZY.NET.AU> >Reply-To: pic microcontroller discussion list <RemoveMEPICLISTspam_OUTKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU> >To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU >Subject: Re: [OT]:Transponder? >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:30:57 +1000 > >Ramana B.V wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I came across a requirement for which I did not have any solution. May >be > > some person can advise me. > > > > The problem is to identify small tools that may be left over in a cabin >or > > small area after the work is done. Sorry if I am obtuse but I do not >have > > much more information than that. These left over tools may cause problem > > during operation. The basic idea is that there should be some way some > > person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be >small > > ones like screwdrivers etc. > > Does any body have any idea if such a thing can be done. > >Glow in the dark paint on the tools, then turn >the lights off?? :o) >-Roman > >-- >http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! >email EraseMElistservspamspamBeGonemitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body > > >. > >-- >http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: >[PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Now there is a great idea! John Ferrell 6241 Phillippi Rd Julian NC 27283 Phone: (336)685-9606 Dixie Competition Products NSRCA 479 AMA 4190 W8CCW "My Competition is Not My Enemy" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Butler" <RemoveMEdbutlerKILLspamIMETRIX.COM> To: <PICLISTSTOPspamspam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [OT]:Transponder? > Then there was the "Gemini Patch", a large piece of double sticky tape > put on the access hatches to the Gemini space capsules. Any loose bits > floating around the capsule would become stuck to the patch and would no > longer be a danger. > I do that for underwater cameras I work on. I put a big piece of > double sided carpet tape on the side of the housing where it won't get > in the way. Every once in a while I find lock washers or other debris > stuck to the tape, that would otherwise be bouncing off the lenses. > > Sherpa Doug > > > {Original Message removed}

> is there a way to make a miniature transmitter? > I know they make them for dags that can be easily traced with a radio. There are several ways to make a tiny transmitter, and they are all illegal afaik, unless you get a license for them. What's a dag ? Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

How much metal is in there ? You can use a RFID tag and walk or drive the device through an oversized coil-gate. Then there are RF tags that send a coded ping every X minutes. Like those used for tracking animals and misplaced objects. How much money ? ;-) Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

> alice, weigh toolbox You can't. A toolbox will weigh ~10 kg and the smaller parts in it (like Alen wrenches) will be well under 2 grams. You want 1:10000 scale precision. I don't think that this is an option for low cost places. The high cost places already have arrangements for this. But who knows ? Peter -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.