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'[OT]:Transponder?'
2001\08\13@033332 by Ramana B.V

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Hi,
I came across a requirement for which I did not have any solution. May be
some person can advise me.

The problem is to identify small tools that may be left over in a cabin or
small area after the work is done. Sorry if I am obtuse but I do not have
much more information than that. These left over tools may cause problem
during operation. The basic idea is that there should be some way some
person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be small
ones like screwdrivers etc.
Does any body have any idea if such a thing can be done.

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ramana b v

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2001\08\13@053224 by Roman Black

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Ramana B.V wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I came across a requirement for which I did not have any solution. May be
> some person can advise me.
>
> The problem is to identify small tools that may be left over in a cabin or
> small area after the work is done. Sorry if I am obtuse but I do not have
> much more information than that. These left over tools may cause problem
> during operation. The basic idea is that there should be some way some
> person can identify and locate the left over tool. The tools may be small
> ones like screwdrivers etc.
> Does any body have any idea if such a thing can be done.

Glow in the dark paint on the tools, then turn
the lights off?? :o)
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2001\08\13@054722 by Jinx

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>The basic idea is that there should be some way some
> person can identify and locate the left over tool

Metal detector ? You could build a very simple one from
a kit. A tool big enough to hold would be picked up easily

RFID ? Tag the tools and then either scan the room or
install a loop around the place that will beep if there's a
tool in range

In either case make sure you haven't got tools in your
pockets or you'll be forever wandering around the cabin

Reminds me of the pin head who tried to shoplift a very
expensive suit. To avoid detection, he put the security
tags in the pocket. I'm afraid they still work in pockets

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2001\08\13@124632 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 21:46:31 +1200 Jinx <.....joecolquittKILLspamspam.....CLEAR.NET.NZ>
writes:
> Reminds me of the pin head who tried to shoplift a very
> expensive suit. To avoid detection, he put the security
> tags in the pocket. I'm afraid they still work in pockets
>

       Reminds me of the old Laurel and Hardy situation where they are moving a
dresser. They figure it would weigh less if they took the drawers out.
So, they do take the drawers out, then set them on top of the dresser and
continue with the move.

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2001\08\13@200722 by Gennette, Bruce

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You don't need high tech if you can whistle.

Get down to your nearest electronics store and buy a few 'whistling
keyrings'.  Attach them to the tools.
At the job pack up your tools and put them in your truck (van, car, etc),
then return to the site and whistle - any tools left behind will beep.

KISS.

Bye.

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2001\08\13@201916 by Jim

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    "The basic idea is that there should be
     some way some person can identify
     and locate the left over tool. The tools
     may be small ones like screwdrivers etc."

Inventory and mark tools, record their check-out
then record when checked back in.

Using barcodes perhaps?

  "... and locate the left-over tool ..."

Attache the same device used in library books
and store merchandise - then pass over the
work-area the device used to detect these 'tags'.

How much trouble will a small 'tag' hanging (but
attached) to a pair of pliers or a 3/8" SAE socket
be in use?

Could be plenty ...

Jim



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You don't need high tech if you can whistle.

Get down to your nearest electronics store and buy a few 'whistling
keyrings'.  Attach them to the tools.
At the job pack up your tools and put them in your truck (van, car, etc),
then return to the site and whistle - any tools left behind will beep.

KISS.

Bye.

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2001\08\14@135553 by Douglas Butler

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If it was the 1950's I might suggest making the tools radioactive...
How about flourescent paint on the tools.  Then with filtered goggles
and a good blacklight errent tools should be obvious.

Sherpa Doug

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2001\08\14@150506 by Peter L. Peres

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Normally there is a person endowed with this responsability and everything
that goes in and comes out is counted. It helps to have complete
uniform toolboxes. A notepad and some discipline is all it takes.

If you are truly paranoid you can paint the tools with fluorescent paint,
and at the end of the work, turn off the lights and use (an) UV lamp(s).
Any fluorescent shine is trouble, go fetch it. Fluorescent tape and paint
is readily available (see disco supplies although you want something more
durable for tools). The same technique can be used to mark bad parts
during repair. When done check. If it lights up, you have mounted some bad
parts back into the unit. Congratulations (it happens to everyone after
enough sleepless nights and stress).

It all depends on how paranoid this is really.

Peter

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2001\08\14@181107 by Jinx

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> If it was the 1950's I might suggest making the tools radioactive...

Good idea !! Use plutonium then you'd only have to worry about
tools for a few days

How about a custom toolbox with a continuity tester built in. If the
tools aren't in their right places or one's missing the thing squawks

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2001\08\15@023135 by Arnold Chord

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Pink is a good color, reduces theft.

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2001\08\15@034203 by John

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Hello Ramana & PIC.ers,

I'm reminded of the way Dassault (many years ago)
rid the cockpits of all the `extra' tools, rivets & loose bits after the
riggers were finished and the plane was being readied for flight.

The factory had a special jig to turn the whole thing upside-down
and give it a wonderful shake....

Less light-heartedly, I'm also on a long term hunt for a similar
passive device, to be detected within a vehicle cabin.
Security, codes etc., are a non-requirement for this app.
mere presence or absence is sufficient.

Any pointers?  A PIC can surely be employed somewhere in it.


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2001\08\15@055025 by Quentin

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John wrote:

> The factory had a special jig to turn the whole thing upside-down
> and give it a wonderful shake....
OK, that is a bit extreme :).
When I was in the airforce, all tools had to be kept in a store. You
sign a tool (box) out and it is inspected on return. All tools must be
signed back before any planes go out the hanger.
If a tool is missing, all planes are grounded until that tool is found.

Quentin

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2001\08\15@102415 by Arnold Chord

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is there a way to make a miniature transmitter?
I know they make them for dags that can be easily traced with a radio.

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2001\08\15@113707 by alice campbell

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I'm thinking that toolboxes weigh something.  How about a strain gauge in the handle, going in you press the 'going in' button, coming out you check the 'going out' button, if the two weights are different, then do:
void toolcheck(weight_in, weight_out){
  if(weight_out >weight_in){printf( "sticky fingers"); high_beep()};
  if (weight_in>weight_out){printf("somethings missing"); low_beep()};
  printf("you're fine");nice_beep();
}


alice


> Pink is a good color, reduces theft.
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2001\08\15@125902 by Dan Michaels

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At 11:24 PM 8/14/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Pink is a good color, reduces theft.


I have a pink pair of diagonal pliers, and a "hot" pink
heat gun. Over the years other tools have strayed, but
these have never been "lost".

In Boulder, there is a company that will paint your
bicycle with any outrageous scheme you like. Keeps all
the guys with "Stranded in Boulder signs" panhandling
at the intersections where they belong, rather than
riding boosted bikes out of town.

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2001\08\15@134447 by Douglas Butler

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       Then there was the "Gemini Patch", a large piece of double sticky tape
put on the access hatches to the Gemini space capsules.  Any loose bits
floating around the capsule would become stuck to the patch and would no
longer be a danger.
       I do that for underwater cameras I work on.  I put a big piece of
double sided carpet tape on the side of the housing where it won't get
in the way.  Every once in a while I find lock washers or other debris
stuck to the tape, that would otherwise be bouncing off the lenses.

Sherpa Doug

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2001\08\15@141335 by Jim

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Did we have another application of
down-to-earth technology in a 'space
environ', to wit:

"Fly Paper"  = "Gemini Patch" ?

Jim

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2001\08\15@161222 by David VanHorn

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At 01:12 PM 8/15/01 -0500, Jim wrote:
>Did we have another application of
>down-to-earth technology in a 'space
>environ', to wit:
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>"Fly Paper"  = "Gemini Patch" ?

But probably $1k per patch, if for no other reason than needing to be safe
in a pure oxygen atmosphere.

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2001\08\15@171042 by Jim

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In other words: "Mil-spec" or more appropo: "Space-qualified" flypaper ...

Jiim

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2001\08\16@083143 by Micro Eng

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Shades of an article in TIME...where the workers left tools inside the
airframe of a cargo jet....that may have be very very bad..had not been
discovered.

If this is a safety issue.....log all the tools in and out of the tool bin
each and every day.  Who took it...who returned it.  If you still want
electronics...put a card reader to open the tool bin so you have record of
who was accessing it.


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2001\08\16@133007 by John Ferrell

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Now there is a great idea!

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>         Then there was the "Gemini Patch", a large piece of double sticky
tape
> put on the access hatches to the Gemini space capsules.  Any loose bits
> floating around the capsule would become stuck to the patch and would no
> longer be a danger.
>         I do that for underwater cameras I work on.  I put a big piece of
> double sided carpet tape on the side of the housing where it won't get
> in the way.  Every once in a while I find lock washers or other debris
> stuck to the tape, that would otherwise be bouncing off the lenses.
>
> Sherpa Doug
>
> > {Original Message removed}

2001\08\16@164920 by Peter L. Peres

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> is there a way to make a miniature transmitter?
> I know they make them for dags that can be easily traced with a radio.

There are several ways to make a tiny transmitter, and they are all
illegal afaik, unless you get a license for them. What's a dag ?

Peter

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2001\08\16@164926 by Peter L. Peres

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How much metal is in there ? You can use a RFID tag and walk or drive the
device through an oversized coil-gate.

Then there are RF tags that send a coded ping every X minutes. Like those
used for tracking animals and misplaced objects. How much money ? ;-)

Peter

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2001\08\16@164941 by Peter L. Peres

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> sticky tape

Try fly tape. Takes care of moving undesirable critters too.

Peter

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2001\08\17@033304 by Peter L. Peres

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> alice, weigh toolbox

You can't. A toolbox will weigh ~10 kg and the smaller parts in it (like
Alen wrenches) will be well under 2 grams. You want 1:10000 scale
precision. I don't think that this is an option for low cost places. The
high cost places already have arrangements for this. But who knows ?

Peter

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