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'[OT]:RESPONSE about .... Dongle - aka node lock'
2001\08\02@180306 by James Paul

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Guys,

I just wanted to interject my 2 cents worth into this conversation,
then I'll leave you all alone.

I know that software piracy is rampant and a bad thing.  I also
realize that preventing your software from being plagarized is
a problem.  And that some means of protecting your time investment
in the code you have written is justified or even required.

But, I have used a few programs in my time that required a dongle
and I must tell you I HATE THEM WITH A PASSION.  I was a legitimate
user of these packages, and the dongles to me were an unnecessary
PITA.  I think there should have been a better or at least different
method of protection used.  And no I don't really have a better
idea for protection.   I do know that a lot of the packages I used
were so expensive that that was the main reason for the dongle
protection.   But it seems to me that if the software didn't cost
an arm and a leg in the first place, people would be less likely
to pirate it in the second place.  It would be easier for them to
just go buy the package.

Anyway, just wanted to vent a little steam.  And this is not meant
to say that dongles don't have their place.   Apparently they do
seeings they have been in use for 20+ years or so.  It's just that
I personally will not buy a piece of software or use a piece of
software that is dongle protected.   I don't condone software piracy
and do not participate in piracy.  And I wouldn't expect anyone else
to either, but we all know that it goes on every day.

Good luck in you venture.  I hope the dongle protection scheme
doesn't lose you business.

I'm done now.


                                          Regards,

                                            Jim




On Thu, 02 August 2001, Barry Gershenfeld wrote:

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2001\08\02@205549 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>...
> Good luck in you venture.  I hope the dongle protection scheme
> doesn't lose you business.

The original poster found a dongle in the bottom of a drawer. This
means that his total stock quantity is 1.  I think it was a
hobby project.   I'm amused that it seems to have grown
into the next Evil Empire.

Barry

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2001\08\03@043257 by John Walshe

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> >...
> > Good luck in you venture.  I hope the dongle protection scheme
> > doesn't lose you business.
>
> The original poster found a dongle in the bottom of a drawer. This
> means that his total stock quantity is 1.  I think it was a
> hobby project.   I'm amused that it seems to have grown
> into the next Evil Empire.
>
> Barry

Even worse that that Barry - it's just a twinkle in the eye that some day
may become a hobby project! I don't even have the software that goes with
the dongle - I know it's AutoCAD R13 ' cos its on a label  on it!

I did do a little more research on the Rainbow site (I downloaded their
quick start guide) and they do have quite an offering - all of the aspects
that Roman proposed in an earlier email are included in their system. The
dongle can also be set up to not just respond with a number (a la memory
read) but it can perform  algorithms - I'd assume this is an encryption. AND
for the USB proficienado they have a USB dongle!
I was quite impressed - but then they have been at this for many years so I
should have expected it.

As regards the use of dongles - I agree that companies have a right to
protect their software but taking a thread from James's response I do wonder
if they hike the price up after they employ the protection scheme.
The best way to counter this is not hacking but to buy the nearest undongled
alternative and then let their sales people known why you chose the
alternative!

John

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2001\08\03@071903 by Patrick J

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If you get the R13 acad programfiles it will run with that dongle, from what I rem
it isnt locked to a special dongle. And I think the lic is tied to the dongle so
it would be legit to use/sell it too. (I am not 100% sure about that)

And the combination laptops-dongle isnt too much fun... Just imagine
carrying around on a dongle tree for acad, mastercam, solidworks etc etc...

> Even worse that that Barry - it's just a twinkle in the eye that some day
> may become a hobby project! I don't even have the software that goes with
> the dongle - I know it's AutoCAD R13 ' cos its on a label  on it!

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