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'[OT]:Linix help for a Windows Networker?'
2000\05\27@175247 by James Michael Newton

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Well, I hate to admit this, but after god knows how many Windows and Novell
networks that I've set up and / or administered, I can't seem to get Red Hat
6.1 to talk on the network to my two windows computers (which work just fine
thank you, so it must be Linux and not me, right? <GRIN>)

I've been trying to use the graphical network setup in the control panel
(since I'm a GUI Guy although the DOS Command line is where I started and I
know that well and I've had plenty of time in the Novell config program) but
now suddenly, when I type startx, nothing starts. it just sits there forever
and then returns me to a prompt when I hit ctrl-c. no error messages. Any
ideas on how to get that back would be greatly appreciated.

I have a Windows PC with two TCP/IP stacks configured (one is the IP address
assigned by the cable modem service 24.15.132.183 subnet mask
255.255.255.128 Gateway 24.15.132.129 domain escnd1.sdca.home.com Host
massmind and the other is 192.168.0.1 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 no gateway
domain escnd1.sdca.home.com host massmind) and I'm running Proxy Plus to
serve the other Windows machine which is 192.168.0.2 and has its gateway
address set to 192.168.0.1 with internet settings in the control panel set
to use a proxy server at 192.168.0.1:4480 for all access. That works fine.

The Linux box is 192.168.0.3 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0
broadcast 192.168.0.254 and default gateway 192.168.0.1 (the proxy server)

as per
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO-5.html
it appears that
/etc/rc.d/init.d/network calls
/etc/sysconfig/network which is:
NETWORKING=yes
FORWARD_IPV4="yes"
HOSTNAME=nix.massmind.org
GATEWAY="192.168.0.1"
GATEWAYDEV=eth0
IPX="yes"
IPXINTERNALNETNUM="0"
IPXINTERNALNODENUM="0"
IPXAUTOPRIMARY="on"
IPXAUTOFRAME="on"
but after that I just get lost so I don't understand why but
route shows me
Destination Gateway     Genmask         flags Metric Ref Use Iface
192.168.0.3 *           255.255.255.255 UH    0      0   0   eth0
192.168.0.0 *           255.255.255.0   U     0      0   0   eth0
127.0.0.0   *           255.0.0.0       U     0      0   0   lo

default     192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0         UG    0      0   0   eth0

I can ping 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.3 as expected.

I can ping 192.168.0.1 and 24.15.132.183 (the two TCP/IP stacks on the main Windows server) although they respond twice for every one ping (a "DUP" shows up after the second one.)

I can't ping 192.168.0.2 or any known good ip addresses out on the internet. No even the cable modem gateway at 24.15.132.129.

Netscape couldn't http anything either, including 24.15.132.183 which is running an http server or 24.15.132.129 or 240.210.50.240 which all work from the windows machine (both of them). Of course I can't get to it anymore since, remember, x-windows will not start anymore.... I really don't know what I did.

Any help appreciated...


James Newton
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2000\05\27@191132 by Mike Werner

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James Michael Newton wrote:
> Well, I hate to admit this, but after god knows how many Windows and Novell
> networks that I've set up and / or administered, I can't seem to get Red Hat
> 6.1 to talk on the network to my two windows computers (which work just fine
> thank you, so it must be Linux and not me, right? <GRIN>)

Micro$oft isn't very good at playing nice with other OS's on the same LAN.
Never has been, and probably never will.  But it's usually possible to
trick it into doing so.

> I've been trying to use the graphical network setup in the control panel
> (since I'm a GUI Guy although the DOS Command line is where I started and I
> know that well and I've had plenty of time in the Novell config program) but
> now suddenly, when I type startx, nothing starts. it just sits there forever
> and then returns me to a prompt when I hit ctrl-c. no error messages. Any
> ideas on how to get that back would be greatly appreciated.

Try issuing:
startx >oops 2>&1
What that will do is put all of the startup messages into a file called oops
in the current working directory.  We might be able to find something in that
file to tell what's going wrong.

Were you doing any package upgrades?  Remove any packages?  Either of those
could have done it.  Red Hat's package manager is pretty lame when it comes
to dependancy resolution.  It'll often let you remove a package that another
package depends on.

<plug>
Of course, if you switched over to Debian you'd have a package manager
that's *way* better than RPM.
</plug>

> I have a Windows PC with two TCP/IP stacks configured (one is the IP address
> assigned by the cable modem service 24.15.132.183 subnet mask
> 255.255.255.128 Gateway 24.15.132.129 domain escnd1.sdca.home.com Host
> massmind and the other is 192.168.0.1 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 no gateway
> domain escnd1.sdca.home.com host massmind) and I'm running Proxy Plus to

I'm not familiar with Proxy Plus.  I take it it's something like Wingate?

> serve the other Windows machine which is 192.168.0.2 and has its gateway
> address set to 192.168.0.1 with internet settings in the control panel set
> to use a proxy server at 192.168.0.1:4480 for all access. That works fine.
>
> The Linux box is 192.168.0.3 subnet mask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0
> broadcast 192.168.0.254 and default gateway 192.168.0.1 (the proxy server)
                     ^^^
Broadcast should be 192.168.0.255

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This all looks correct.  Well, at any rate it's *very* similar to what
I've got here.  But that first line is, as far as I know, not needed.
Also, show the output of:
ifconfig

> I can ping 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.3 as expected.
>
> I can ping 192.168.0.1 and 24.15.132.183 (the two TCP/IP stacks on the
> main Windows server) although they respond twice for every one ping
> (a "DUP" shows up after the second one.)

HAL9000:~# ping 24.15.132.183
PING 24.15.132.183 (24.15.132.183): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=0 ttl=114 time=322.4 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=1 ttl=114 time=306.0 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=1 ttl=114 time=316.0 ms (DUP!)
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=2 ttl=114 time=406.1 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=2 ttl=114 time=415.9 ms (DUP!)
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=3 ttl=114 time=296.0 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=3 ttl=114 time=305.7 ms (DUP!)
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=4 ttl=114 time=305.9 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.183: icmp_seq=4 ttl=114 time=315.6 ms (DUP!)

--- 24.15.132.183 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, +4 duplicates, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 296.0/332.1/415.9 ms

As do I from here.  Strange.

> I can't ping 192.168.0.2 or any known good ip addresses out on the
> internet. No even the cable modem gateway at 24.15.132.129.

HAL9000:~# ping 24.15.132.129
PING 24.15.132.129 (24.15.132.129): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=0 ttl=242 time=1466.6 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=1901.8 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=2363.6 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=3 ttl=242 time=2383.4 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=4 ttl=242 time=2843.3 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=5 ttl=242 time=2843.0 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=6 ttl=242 time=2863.1 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=7 ttl=242 time=2862.8 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=8 ttl=242 time=1893.2 ms
64 bytes from 24.15.132.129: icmp_seq=9 ttl=242 time=903.4 ms

--- 24.15.132.129 ping statistics ---
11 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 9% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 903.4/2232.4/2863.1 ms

*Very* slow, with one packet lost.  Perhaps they were just having a bad
time when you tried?  Nah, that's probably not it.  I'm suspecting it
might be ipchains that's doing this to you.  Try issuing:
ipchains -L
and see what it says.  Sometimes the default setting for ipchains are
a bit *too* restrictive.

> Netscape couldn't http anything either, including 24.15.132.183 which is
> running an http server or 24.15.132.129 or 240.210.50.240 which all work
> from the windows machine (both of them). Of course I can't get to it
> anymore since, remember, x-windows will not start anymore.... I really
> don't know what I did.

Try it with lynx.  That's a command line browser.  Let's work on the
networking first, then we'll worry about the GUI stuff.
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2000\05\27@193006 by Rex's Dingo Mail

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Hi James

are you trying to use Samba on the Linux machine as the "Win interface" ?

If so I finally got mine going - I am using a similiar system to you but
using Avirt as the gateway server.

I had to enable wins resolution on the windows box  and setup NetBuei - once
this was done it all worked

Cant explain why but ...

Rex


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2000\05\28@030237 by Damon Hopkins

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James Michael Newton wrote:
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maybe try going the other way and putting the cable modem on the linux
box
my brother is running FreeBSD and has 4 computers setup at home all
through his 1 cable modem connected to his FreeBSD box.

               Damon Hopkins

2000\05\28@034259 by Simon Redwood

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> James Michael Newton wrote:
> >
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>
> maybe try going the other way and putting the cable modem on the linux
> box
> my brother is running FreeBSD and has 4 computers setup at home all
> through his 1 cable modem connected to his FreeBSD box.
>
>                 Damon Hopkins
>

I'll second that, I'm running Linux as my main machine, with 2 Windows m/c
running through/off it.  Linux box can then do the masquerading, cacheing
and mail forwarding.

Is windows capable of ip masquerading and fowarding ?

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2000\05\28@114332 by James Michael Newton

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First, thanks tons for the help.

Thanks to your oops trick, I found out that the startx command was waiting
for something to resolve the host name which I had set as nix.massmind.org
without adding
192.168.0.3    nix.massmind.org
to the hosts file. So x is up again. I'm GUI. <GRIN>

The 254 broadcast address was a typo, it was set to .255 and it looks like
all the other settings were also correct. I shouldn't be able to ping
outside the local net without a proxy connection... and... I managed to
stumble over the fact that the "Navigator" that was automatically starting
with Linux was not the actual Netscape Navigator web browser... see, the
first one, DOESN'T have a place to enter Proxy setting and the second one
DOES. And you know what? as soon as you enter the proxy settings, everything
works great! Imagine that....

So now I have web and ftp access from the nix box via a proxy server on the
main windows box. I'll set up the email stuff next (I saw where to do
that...)

But I'd like to get SAMBA running next and haven't read the docs yet, so I
will go do that now. And then on to Apache and BIND. Miles to go...

James Newton
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1-619-652-0593 phone

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2000\05\28@114541 by piclist.com
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Baby steps...
...I'll get there...

James Newton
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2000\05\28@220330 by Damon Hopkins

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James Michael Newton wrote:
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