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'[OT]:Formatting a 80GB Hard Drive'
2002\08\30@014100 by Salah

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Hello Guys!
  how to format a 80GB hard drive  ..... the drive is not new and it is
already NTFS formated ......
Regards,
Salah.

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2002\08\30@034323 by Lee Jones

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> how to format a 80GB hard drive  ..... the drive is not new
> and it is already NTFS formated ......

Do you want to reformat the entire drive or a partition on it?

What are you trying to do with the drive and/or partitions?

To receive a "good" answer, you need to provide more details.
Here's some general information that may answer your question.

If you want to format the entire drive, then you need a utility
provided by the drive manufacturer.  Usually you can download
it from the manufacturer's web site -- assuming that you are
using an Intel-style architecture CPU and IDE/ATA or SCSI disk.
General availability is harder for other, odd interfaces or for
non-Intel architecture systems.

Your mention of "already NTFS formated" implies you are working
at the partition level and within Windows NT/2000/XP.  If so,
use the Microsoft provided utilities to repartition it and/or
reformat it (such as fdisk, format, or Disk Administrator).

If you're switching to another operating system, such as Linux
or NetBSD, use the utilties that come with it to manipulate the
partition tables and/or format the partitions.

                                               Lee Jones

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2002\08\30@054727 by ichard Phillips

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> Hello Guys!
>    how to format a 80GB hard drive  ..... the drive is not new and it is
> already NTFS formated ......
> Regards,
> Salah.

if you're looking to put a clean windows install on the drive:

- make a dos boot disk (presumably the mention of NTFS means you're sticking
windows on it)
- boot from it.
- run fdisk.
- then format.

alternatively, you can use the formatting tools with the winnt/2k/xp
installer, but they're a bit fiddly in comparison.

if you're got the money get Partition Magic, it's a very nice graphical tool
for repartitioning.

if you're attaching the drive to an existing system, just plug it in, then
locate the drive manager section (should be listed seperately under admin
tools for NT4, will be under admin tools->computer management for 2K/XP.)

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2002\08\30@054806 by ISO-8859-1?Q?Ruben_J=F6nsson?=

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What type of file system?

If you are using W9x/ME and are going to format it for FAT32
you probably have to get new versions of the format and fdisk
utilities.

Take a look at:

support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q263/0/44.ASP
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q263/0/45.ASP

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2002\08\30@054824 by Simon Bryden

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To reflect Scott Dattalo's (and others') sentiment, what does partitioning a
HDD have to do with PICs? I know that there may be people who know this, or
who are interested in speed of light discussions or what things people blew up
20 years ago, but I am close do desubscribing because of the noise.

I really enjoy learning from and contributing to the piclist, although gave up
once before (before the labelling) because of this. I know that I could just
desubscribe from OT, but it would seem to make more sense if people interested
in other topics discussed them on the appropriate boards.

... yes I know, I've probably gone and started a 20-post thread on a subject
unrelated to PICs ...


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2002\08\30@062544 by Dominic Stratten

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I second this comment - I think we should keep the bandwidth available for
the Piclist for Pic related (or very similar) discussions. I'm not knocking
Salah for his post - there's been a lot of OT posting recently but I think
we should respect the Piclist for what it is and keep it relevant.

By veering off target, we're using bandwidth, clogging up peoples inboxes,
wasting storage space on the Piclist server and adding to search times,
indexing times etc.

Some of the off target stuff is interesting but does not warrant 30-40 witty
replies (funny as some of them are ;-)

Please please please think twice before posting off target or adding your 2
cents worth ( I'm just as guilty as the rest of you ).

Any one else want to back me up ?????

Cheers

Dominic
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2002\08\30@062606 by Katinka Mills

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Hi Simon and others, This is on the OT tag IE OFF TOPIC.

If the noise is too much on this tag, then unsubscribe to the OT posts.

You do not need to be subscribed to all tags, just the ones you want. If all
you want is PIC then just keep the pic tag. Full details on doing this are
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But cause I am such a nice girl here is the relevent part:

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2002\08\30@073947 by Rick C.

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The best way is to unpartition it and repartition it to the file system you
want, then format it. Of course you will completely erase anything on it.
Rick

Salah wrote:

> Hello Guys!
>    how to format a 80GB hard drive  ..... the drive is not new and it is
> already NTFS formated ......
> Regards,
> Salah.
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2002\08\30@090343 by Dale Botkin

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I've found the best way is to boot from a Linux CD and perform a full
install, formatting with EXT2 or RFS along the way.  :)

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Salah wrote:

> Hello Guys!
>    how to format a 80GB hard drive  ..... the drive is not new and it is
> already NTFS formated ......

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2002\08\30@131733 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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No.  This is exactly WHY the tagging system was created.  You don't even
have to do the filtering on your own mail client if you just instruct the
list server to stop sending OT tagged mails.  It was decided some time ago
that this was preferable to banning all OT threads.

Regards

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2002\08\30@194959 by Simon Bryden

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> No.  This is exactly WHY the tagging system was created.  You don't even
> have to do the filtering on your own mail client if you just instruct the
> list server to stop sending OT tagged mails.  It was decided some time ago
> that this was preferable to banning all OT threads.
>
Ok, but OT should not mean "totally unrelated to anything to do with the PIC"
- rather it should mean "not specifically PIC-related but on similar lines"

For example, if you want advice on building PCBs or robotic drivetrains then
fine, post an OT. If you want to talk about taxes, speed of light decreasing
or HDD reformatting, find a more appropriate list or go down the pub. That way
you'll probably get better advice also.

I know we have filtering, but I don't think that this is an excuse to start
unrelated threads just for the hell of it.

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2002\08\30@200828 by Sid Weaver

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In a message dated 08/30/2002 19:51:21 Eastern Daylight Time, RemoveMEsbrydenTakeThisOuTspamspamFREE.FR
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> I know we have filtering, but I don't think that this is an excuse to start
> unrelated threads just for the hell of it.
>
> Simon.
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Well said, Simon !!  I, too, was under the impression this was a forum for
addressing PIC and PIC-related issues.

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2002\08\30@205734 by cdb

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Hmm Olin meets OT Simon??  :))

No disrespect intended to either.
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2002\08\30@211005 by Russell McMahon

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The [OT]: and other threads discussion goes waaaaay back.
As far as I can tell from a quick look in my personal PICLIst archive, Simon
has been onlist since August 2002 and Sid since March 2002. Now there's
absolutely nothing worng (of course) with being new to a list BUT if you
really care about the philosophy and why's and wherefores behind the tag
system it might be educational to have a look back through the archives.

The tag system grew out of extensive and extended discussion about what does
and doesn't belong on a list like this. What "a list like this" means was
also debated at length. Be aware (as some here will be and some will disgree
with and some will want to discuss and some wont =care and ... :-) ) that
this is NOT just a technical list. This is an international family - about
2000 strong and dynamic in membership. While the core familt value is meant
to be PICanalia (like Baccanalia but different) the general other interests
of the family are also relevant. There are some things that the family has
explicitly decided not to talk about (actually it was Mom & Pop who decided
but most of the boys and girsl also agreed.) Apart from that, it's generally
felt that matters raised should be of potential interest to a substantial
number of list members AND be tagged appropriately so that those who wish
can abstain from the more exotic excursions.

If a family member who is suitably PICanalian wants to know about formatting
an 80GB hard drive then the OT tag is absolutely fine for this. If this
changed to a thread about all the technical aspects of modern hard drives
then perhaps another forum would be better. One of the biggest sins is
taking a thread and perverting it completely but leaving the tag (OT) or
otherwise unchanged, as has happened with this thread. Maybe this should by
now be called "Yet another discussion about the PICLIST tag system". At
least then people who subscribe to [OT]: can easily mentally filter the
messages by subject line.

I am a prolific [OT]: poster (as you are probably aware :-) )( whoever you
are). MOSTLY these are pointers to technically interesting sites for the
ever young of mind and broad of interest. In the vast majority of cases they
are intended to be of potential interest to a substantial proportion of the
PICList membership. In many cases they are. I get a steady trickle of
offlist messages commenting favourably on these posts. If I post something
with another tag it's almost certainly because, in my judgement, it belongs
there. Sometimes, but very seldom, there is another reason.

I posted my "Speed of Light" messages under [EE]: because I decided that was
really where they belonged - if you don't see where this fits into EE that's
fine. Apart from my own messages I believe there were 2 or 3 responses on
this and none were intended as technically useful comment. However, the
number of references in the 80 GB HDD thread to this post have (I think) far
exceeded those which actually relate. If something is reeeeally out there
then if you ignore it, Jinx will make a traditionally silly and/or humorous
comment, Peter C will complain about the Creation Scientists,  and life will
then continue much as before.

Losing the flexibility we have now would be a very great shame. Those who
can't stand the current OT topics (of which constancy of light speed is not
one :-) )(but the better part of 12 odd posts NOT on 80 GB drives are)
should read through the archive history to see how we got to where we are.

To no doubt misquote some savant "Those who do not learn from history are
doomed to repeat it"



               Russell McMahon



> > No.  This is exactly WHY the tagging system was created.  You don't even
> > have to do the filtering on your own mail client if you just instruct
the
> > list server to stop sending OT tagged mails.  It was decided some time
ago
> > that this was preferable to banning all OT threads.
> >
> Ok, but OT should not mean "totally unrelated to anything to do with the
PIC"
> - rather it should mean "not specifically PIC-related but on similar
lines"

NO - see above.

> For example, if you want advice on building PCBs or robotic drivetrains
then
> fine, post an OT.

No - probably EE

> If you want to talk about taxes

elsewhere

>, speed of light decreasing
> or HDD reformatting,

OT

> I know we have filtering, but I don't think that this is an excuse to
start
> unrelated threads just for the hell of it.

I agree.



           RM

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'[OT]:Formatting a 80GB Hard Drive'
2002\09\01@032251 by Simon Bryden
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On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 01:10:53PM +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:

> if you
> really care about the philosophy and why's and wherefores behind the tag
> system it might be educational to have a look back through the archives.

Russell,

Ok, I accept that and bow to the consensus that was obviously reached then. I
will unsubscribe to OT, (actually it seems like someone took matters into
their own hands and unsubscribed me - I only received ~20 non-OT messages per
day over the last two days). I will miss some of the useful pointers from you
and others, but for the rest I can't afford the bandwidth.

Thanks for the background,

Simon.
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2002\09\01@110756 by Dale Botkin
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2002, Simon Bryden wrote:

> Ok, I accept that and bow to the consensus that was obviously reached then. I
> will unsubscribe to OT, (actually it seems like someone took matters into
> their own hands and unsubscribed me - I only received ~20 non-OT messages per
> day over the last two days).

Nope, if you drop [OT] you won't see *any*.  And we rarely change
subscription options for people, except those who get set to NOMAIL
because their mailbox is full or whatever.

> I will miss some of the useful pointers from you and others, but for
> the rest I can't afford the bandwidth.

There are also searchable archives on the piclist.com web site and
elsewhere, should you wish to browse throught the OT topics once in a
while to see what you're missing.

Dale
(PICList admin #4, I think)

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2002\09\01@203222 by Salah

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Come on Simon ..... I am really sorry if I am disturbing u with the OT topic
....but u know there is a lot of people who has good experience not only in
PIC so I thought it is good chance to ask them ...may be they have the
solution to my problem ...see they did ...I got alot of replies ..... I do
respect the PIC list coz I learned and still learning everyday from this
list a new thing   ....
thanx for ur help and sorry again.

Best Regards,
Salah.


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2002\09\01@210139 by Russell McMahon

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I maintain a "techo" list of people who are interested that I send
items of interest *to me* to. Many but not all of these also get sent to
PICList. Most are short references to sites. Some are my own comments or
notes of varying length

These may be anything that takes my interest but will be biased towards
technology & science. These almost never feature religious or philosophical
references - occasionally they may if the material falls in several areas at
once or (very occasionally) if I just feel like it's a good idea.

Anyone who wants to is welcome to have their name added to the list. You can
also ask for it to be removed at any time so the cost of trying is low. I
absolutely do not sell or give these names to anyone else. The recipients
will almost always be anonymous to others (messages are sent to "Friends").
Very occasionally I may slip up and place the list in the TO field rather
than BCC - while I try not to do this its caveat emptor (the price is
right). If you want a source of probably interesting OT that is more techo
topic focused than what you get generally on PICList but somewhat wider in
scope than what I usually post on PICList OT (can it be?) then by all means
ask to have your name added to the list. Can be removed again if the
material proves uninteresting. Much but not all material will be duplicates
of my PICList OT posts.



       Russell McMahon


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2002\09\02@044148 by Alan B. Pearce

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>For example, if you want advice on building PCBs or robotic
>drivetrains then fine, post an OT.

Well actually the example you give is what the [EE]: tag was designed for :)


>If you want to talk about taxes, speed of light decreasing
>or HDD reformatting, find a more appropriate list or go down
>the pub. That way you'll probably get better advice also.

Maybe, but I would have said that the item in the subject line is exactly
what the [OT]: tag is for. It may even be vaguely PIC related if it is the
machine the man runs MPLAB on :)

If you have problems with the amount of stuff on [OT]:, do what I do, sort
by topic, and do a mass delete of items under that topic without reading
them.

This would take considerably less time than writing than writing the mail
complaining about it.:)

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