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'[OT]:Cracking a software is not a nice thing'
2002\10\07@085258 by Octavio P Nogueira

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>I suggest you to built the Tait parallel programmer which is working with
>a lot of free software:
>http://www.melabs.com     ; the best one
>http://www.ic-prog.com    ; cool enough
>http://www.lpilsley.co.uk ; nice for enthusiastics
>http://www.propic2.com    ; not bad if you find the crack <<<<<<-----<<<<<
>http://picallw.com        ; idem, then download the P16PRO
>
>regards,
>Vasile
>http://www.geocities.com/vsurducan

We make a great effort to make an affordable software
and some people still use cracked version.
This makes me sick.

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2002\10\07@091938 by mark

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On 7 Oct 2002 at 9:51, Octavio P Nogueira wrote:

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And you are the "nice guy" that had never used a cracked software ;-)

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2002\10\07@103932 by Herbert Graf

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       You have to be VERY careful with this topic, many here make their living
off software, so chances are he HAS never used cracked software. TTYL

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2002\10\07@121323 by polymorph

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Why do crooks assume that everyone else is dishonest, too?


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2002\10\07@141801 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Marcelo Puhl wrote:

*>> We make a great effort to make an affordable software
*>> and some people still use cracked version.
*>> This makes me sick.
*>>
*>> Octavio Nogueira
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*>And you are the "nice guy" that had never used a cracked software ;-)

Maybe not but at least he is doing something about it. What are doing
about it and on which side are you ?

Peter

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2002\10\07@155016 by Dale Botkin

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<GRUMP>

Two comments on this thread:

1.)  We've had this flame-fest before, let's not start it again please.
As has been the PICList policy since I don't know when (before I got
here), it's best not to discuss or especially encourage the use of cracked
or otherwise illegally used software.  It's bound to get you flamed,
considering the number of professional programmers on the list.

2.)  Please, please LEARN TO TRIM YOUR POSTS!  I don't know how many times
people need to hear (see) it, but clip at LEAST the mail headers, sigfile
and list footer off messages you're replying to.  If at all possible,
include only what is NECESSARY to make it clear what you're replying to.

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Dale
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to life, the universe and everything...

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2002\10\07@155816 by apptech

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> > >http://www.propic2.com    ; not bad if you find the crack
<<<<<<-----<<<<<

>> We make a great effort to make an affordable software
>> and some people still use cracked version.
>> This makes me sick.

> And you are the "nice guy" that had never used a cracked software ;-)

The argument "you do it too", which may of course (just possibly :-) ) not
be what Marcelo is saying here, is one of the most feeble and despicable
objections that I hear in all walks of life in attempts to justify
essentially unjustifiable behaviour. An action, whether software theft,
murder or some other crime is not less or more acceptable just because
specific other people do or don't participate in it. Attempts by many people
to justify their actions based on what others do (or may do, or are thought
to do) is a significant factor in the increase in "crime" in all its
variants. If we can convince ourselves in our own minds that what we do is
acceptable it ceases to be a crime to us, or at least ceases to have moral
stigma to us. And before we know it we are adding to moral (or rather
immoral) entropy :-).

Note that I am not taking the moral high ground here personally or even
defining morality in general - just commenting on a spineless lily-livered
weak-kneed gutless (can't think of any more good epithets :-) ) but all too
common response * when such ground is to be traversed.

In the specific case here I note that software theft is theft and that
people who steal software are thieves, regardless of mitigating
circumstances such as how much you earn, how poor your country is, whether
you would not have ever bought it otherwise, whether you will pay for it
when you finally earn enough, how terrible running dog paper tiger xxx
imperialism is. But whether or not people such as Bill Gates or others do or
don't rip off other people's software from time to time does not alter the
fact. Theft may in various circumstances be more or less justifiable but
it's still theft. That other people also steal does not redefine the crime.

Were you suggesting that theft is OK by you Marcelo and/or indicating that
you are a thief, or have I/we taken a wrong meaning from your posts?



               Russell McMahon


* - Do I fall into this trap as well? Of course I do. But I really try not
to and I feel that the demands of self respect would lead most others to
want to do so as well.

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2002\10\07@161546 by apptech

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> Dale
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> Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> to life, the universe and everything...

That's probably because you are measuring in the wrong base. It's in base 13
so you have to wait until you are 54 base 10 before you know the answer to
life, the universe and everything. I'm closer than you but still not there
yet.

The question was (from the scrabble bag) something like -

       'What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?'

   The question works in any base ABOVE base 9.
   The answer is 54 (base 10) or 42 (base 13)
   Working on why you should use base 13 may be more useful

   Adams, by the way, did this by mistake :-)



           RM

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2002\10\07@164134 by Bill Westfield

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I just cracked my very first piece of software.  The sealed CD of a
5-versions old software I bought at the library book fair didn't come
with the needed license key...  Never cracked anything before, although
I'll admit to not paying shareware fees for assorted ultities that I use
once in a blue moon, either.

OTOH, i understand that Microsoft (amoung others) wants to make sure that
you can't buy (cheap) old software and still have it run.  It would be
against the license agreement, and the net would be used to enforce that
license agreement.  As a would-be-frugal consumer, I find the idea rather
distasefull indeed...

BillW

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2002\10\07@165657 by a?=

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Ohh !!!!!!
It remainds me "War against terrorism".
So you, like me, are against USA4s wayof "legally" killing people ?

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> > >http://www.propic2.com    ; not bad if you find the crack
<<<<<<-----<<<<<

>> We make a great effort to make an affordable software
>> and some people still use cracked version.
>> This makes me sick.

> And you are the "nice guy" that had never used a cracked software ;-)

The argument "you do it too", which may of course (just possibly :-) ) not
be what Marcelo is saying here, is one of the most feeble and despicable
objections that I hear in all walks of life in attempts to justify
essentially unjustifiable behaviour. An action, whether software theft,
murder or some other crime is not less or more acceptable just because
specific other people do or don't participate in it. Attempts by many people
to justify their actions based on what others do (or may do, or are thought
to do) is a significant factor in the increase in "crime" in all its
variants. If we can convince ourselves in our own minds that what we do is
acceptable it ceases to be a crime to us, or at least ceases to have moral
stigma to us. And before we know it we are adding to moral (or rather
immoral) entropy :-).

Note that I am not taking the moral high ground here personally or even
defining morality in general - just commenting on a spineless lily-livered
weak-kneed gutless (can't think of any more good epithets :-) ) but all too
common response * when such ground is to be traversed.

In the specific case here I note that software theft is theft and that
people who steal software are thieves, regardless of mitigating
circumstances such as how much you earn, how poor your country is, whether
you would not have ever bought it otherwise, whether you will pay for it
when you finally earn enough, how terrible running dog paper tiger xxx
imperialism is. But whether or not people such as Bill Gates or others do or
don't rip off other people's software from time to time does not alter the
fact. Theft may in various circumstances be more or less justifiable but
it's still theft. That other people also steal does not redefine the crime.

Were you suggesting that theft is OK by you Marcelo and/or indicating that
you are a thief, or have I/we taken a wrong meaning from your posts?



               Russell McMahon


* - Do I fall into this trap as well? Of course I do. But I really try not
to and I feel that the demands of self respect would lead most others to
want to do so as well.

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2002\10\07@185903 by apptech

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> Ohh !!!!!!
> It remainds me "War against terrorism".
> So you, like me, are against USA4s wayof "legally" killing people ?

I can't quite follow the logic there. Can you explain the comparison
(seriously).
I assume you were referring to the comment which may be summarised -

>> The argument "you do it too", which may of course (just possibly :-) )
not
>> be what Marcelo is saying here, is one of the most feeble and despicable
>> objections that I hear in all walks of life in attempts to justify
........

I guess the application here would be that if what the "terrorists" do is
wrong then the US doing the same is wrong as well. I would agree where there
was a direct comparison of wrong with wrong. eg IF it's wrong to kill
non-combatant unaware civilians in the world trade centre then it's equally
wrong to kill non-combatant unaware civilians in Afghanistan. Whether it's
wrong to conduct a (terribly named) "war against terrorism" in some manner
or other is another matter. (I think it's not wrong in general principle (as
opposed to some of the specific practices) but that's far outside the scope
of what I was saying).



       Russell McMahon

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2002\10\07@200519 by Dal Wheeler

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Why don't we kill this before it gets into a piracy vs. filthy rich
capitalist pig thing again.  I wonder if we can't agree that it's a cheeky
thing to encourage pirating software that we *know* a fellow list member
created.  It's not like Octavio is looking to get wealthy off this thing.

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2002\10\08@041504 by Alan B. Pearce

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> Dale
> ---
> Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> to life, the universe and everything...

Don't worry Dale, just cos' you have reached the "naughty fourties" and not
found the answer, just think, you still have the "flabby fifties" to go
before you reach the "sexy sixties" .... :)

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2002\10\08@050823 by Bob Barr

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 14:48:54 -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:

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That particular command isn't available to list admins, is it? :=)


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2002\10\08@203722 by Jinx

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> Dale
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> Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> to life, the universe and everything...

All you have to know is that 42 is what you get if you multiply
six by nine and accept there's something fundamentally wrong
about the universe

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2002\10\08@205006 by Dave King

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At 01:36 PM 09/10/02 +1300, you wrote:
> > Dale
> > ---
> > Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> > to life, the universe and everything...
>
>All you have to know is that 42 is what you get if you multiply
>six by nine and accept there's something fundamentally wrong
>about the universe

Depressing isn't it? Brain the size of a planet and the diodes all down
my left side ache and it still comes out to 42....

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2002\10\08@212012 by Russell McMahon

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> > Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> > to life, the universe and everything...
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> All you have to know is that 42 is what you get if you multiply
> six by nine and accept there's something fundamentally wrong
> about the universe

And what is it that you have against working in base 13 that makes it
fundamentally wrong ? :-)
After all, All your base are belong to us!

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2002\10\08@214247 by Jinx

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> > All you have to know is that 42 is what you get if you multiply
> > six by nine and accept there's something fundamentally wrong
> > about the universe
>
> And what is it that you have against working in base 13 that
> makes it fundamentally wrong ? :-)

Base 12a you mean. And in OUR family, we have just the 10 digits
and no funny webbing either

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2002\10\08@231441 by Mike Singer

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Dale Botkin wrote:
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> Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> to life, the universe and everything...

The more years, the less answers.

Mike.

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2002\10\08@234117 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Mike Singer wrote:

> Dale Botkin wrote:
> ...
> > Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> > to life, the universe and everything...
>
>  The more years, the less answers.

Nah, just more questions.

"Too soon old, too late smart", as my Dad says.

Dale

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2002\10\09@004251 by Russell McMahon

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> > > All you have to know is that 42 is what you get if you multiply
> > > six by nine and accept there's something fundamentally wrong
> > > about the universe
> >
> > And what is it that you have against working in base 13 that
> > makes it fundamentally wrong ? :-)

Warning. The following ALL makes sense but may or may not be considered
useful and may blow the odd brain fuse.

Hereunder nn/xx means nn in base xx. with nn and xx all base 10 unless
specified otherwise.
eg 42/13 means 42 base 13 = 54 base 10 = 54/10

> Base 12a you mean.

That's interesting - I've never seen anyone express a base higher than 10 in
any base other than base 10. (All bases to their own base are base 10 of
course, but I digress.) That leaves the problem of determining what base it
was you were expressing base 12a in as the a is not a legal digit in base
10/10. As a usually conveys 11/10 your base must be at least 12/10 (as the
largest single digit expreeeable in any base is one less than the base). If
we assume you are using base 16/10 then 12a/16 = 298/10. It's going to be
difficult to get enough characters to express all the digits in such a large
base system. Presumably one uses accents - acutes, graves, cedillas etc. Or
maybe one could drop into wingdings or similar. Regardless, if we assume
that a/298 is meant to signify 10/10 then 6/298 x 9/298 = (54/10)/298. I use
54/10 temporarily as it has not yet been established what symbol should be
used. As A/xx  (or a/xx as you seem to have put it in 12a/xx) = 10/10 Z/xx
would be 35/10. Horrors! Maybe you did not mean that a = A as I have been
assumomng and meant that the symbols went 0...9, A...Z, a...z or similar, in
which case 12a/xx would be MUCH larger that 298./10 as "a" now no longer
means 10/10 but probably 61/10. That being the case (which I most severely
doubt) then a = 61/10 and 12a must be in at least base 62/10 (for the
reasons noted above). As 62/10 seems an unlikely base then perhaps it is in
base 64/10 in which case 12a/64 = 270,246/10. (ie 64^3*1+64^2*2+10  all base
10). This is an extroadinarily large base to work with!

While I cannot start to thing what single character symbology you could use
to represent numbers in this base I would like to suggest one for the
specifric value of 12a/(270,246/10). As the ant-html thought police will not
allow me to turn on HTML to represent this in a single character (and in any
case the character sets used in various locations would cause it to appear
differently) please mentally replace the 3 following character string with
its more usual pictogram. I would like to suggest that you represent
12a/(270,246/10) with :-)    (although some may sugesst that that would be
unlucky.)



           R :-) M

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And in OUR family, we have just the 10 digits
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2002\10\09@014640 by Jinx

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> That leaves the problem of determining what base it was you
> were expressing base 12a in

Would you believe that some people dislike (12+1) so much that
whole floors in hotels and offices are called "12a", unless the
floor numbering goes from 12 to 14. That's all I was doing -
appeasing the list scaredy-cats who may baulk at anything to
do with (12+1). And now you've gone and confused them and
they'll be peeking into shadows looking for changeling (12+1)s

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2002\10\09@054307 by Russell McMahon

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> > That leaves the problem of determining what base it was you
> > were expressing base 12a in

> Would you believe that some people dislike (12+1) so much that
> whole floors in hotels and offices are called "12a", unless the
> floor numbering goes from 12 to 14.

Unless yuo are in Asia, where it's floor 4 that gores missing. Note that
yamaha introduced the YDS series of motorccyles long ago. YDS1, YDS2, YDS3,
YDS5 ... funny that.

Word for 4 has an unfortunately similar sound to word fro "death".
Is it "Shi" ??? (Japanese) - maybe not - there are sevetral versions and
some are acceptable.

> That's all I was doing -
> appeasing the list scaredy-cats who may baulk at anything to
> do with (12+1).

I know :-)


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2002\10\09@054315 by Russell McMahon

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> > That leaves the problem of determining what base it was you
> > were expressing base 12a in

> Would you believe that some people dislike (12+1) so much that
> whole floors in hotels and offices are called "12a", unless the
> floor numbering goes from 12 to 14.

Unless you are in Asia, where it's floor 4 that goes missing. Note that
Yamaha introduced the YDS series of motorcycles long ago. YDS1, YDS2, YDS3,
YDS5 ... funny that.

Word for 4 has an unfortunately similar sound to word for "death".
Is it "Shi" ??? (Japanese) - maybe not - there are several versions and
some are acceptable.

> That's all I was doing -
> appeasing the list scaredy-cats who may baulk at anything to
> do with (12+1).

I know :-) (but did you follow the rave?)


       R "someone set up us the bomb" M

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2002\10\09@074736 by Gwynne Reddick

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On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:04:05 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote:

>>>And what is it that you have against working in base 13 that makes
>>>it fundamentally wrong ? :-)
>
>Warning. The following ALL makes sense but may or may not be
>considered useful and may blow the odd brain fuse.


Do I detect someone with too much time on their hands and an
over-abundace of 'Shire leaf'?
Arf, arf

Gwynne

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2002\10\09@082512 by Russell McMahon

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>>>And what is it that you have against working in base 13 that makes
>>>it fundamentally wrong ? :-)

>Warning. The following ALL makes sense but may or may not be
>considered useful and may blow the odd brain fuse.

/Do I detect someone with too much time on their hands and an
/over-abundace of 'Shire leaf'?
/Arf, arf

Truth be known I have far far too little time available for all I have to do
at present - the occasional albeit time consuming email blithering is a good
way of taking a break. At least, that's what I tell myself :-). Is Shire
leaf liable to help this sad state of affairs?

           RM (located somewhere in Middle Earth)

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2002\10\09@111827 by Gwynne Reddick

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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:25:07 +1300, Russell McMahon wrote:

>Truth be known I have far far too little time available for all I
>have to do at present - the occasional albeit time consuming email
>blithering is a good way of taking a break. At least, that's what I
>tell myself :-). Is Shire leaf liable to help this sad state of
>affairs?
>

My experience is that it'll take 4 times longer to write an email
after partaking of said leaf, but it sure as hell smoothes out any
spikes in serotonin discharge :)

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2002\10\09@124229 by Mike Singer

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Dale Botkin wrote:
> > > Just turned 42, and still don't know the answer
> > > to life, the universe and everything...
> >
> >  The more years, the less answers.
>
> Nah, just more questions.
>
> "Too soon old, too late smart", as my Dad says.
>
> Dale

Assuming "nah" means "no": failed to find "nah" in my
vocabulary.(Song "Neih -Nah-Nah-Nah" didn't help too).

In a pessimistic mood:
"The more years, the less answers."

In an optimistic mood:
"The more years, the more questions."

In an usual mood:
"The more years, the more questions and the less
answers."

It is all about me. Twenty years ago I thought, I had
known exact answer to any questions. Now I prefer
"if I am not mistaken", or even "I don't know".

Mike.

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2002\10\09@125150 by Alan B. Pearce

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>It is all about me. Twenty years ago I thought, I had
>known exact answer to any questions. Now I prefer
>"if I am not mistaken", or even "I don't know".

And for a long time I've been using "Correct me if I'm wrong" ....

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2002\10\09@133532 by Mike Singer

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> >It is all about me. Twenty years ago I thought, I had
> >known exact answer to any questions. Now I prefer
> >"if I am not mistaken", or even "I don't know".
>
> And for a long time I've been using "Correct me if I'm wrong" ....

Please, help me with English:

Is it correct:
" Twenty years ago I thought, I had known exact answer..."

Or:
" Twenty years ago I've been thinking, I had known exact answer..."

Thank you.

Mike.
Ukraine.

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2002\10\09@135156 by Jim

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> " Twenty years ago I thought, I had known exact answer..."

I would re-write this to:

"Twenty years ago I thought I knew the exact answer..."

RF Jim


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2002\10\09@135614 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Mike Singer wrote:

> Please, help me with English:
>
> Is it correct:
> " Twenty years ago I thought, I had known exact answer..."
>
> Or:
> " Twenty years ago I've been thinking, I had known exact answer..."

"Twenty years ago, I thought I knew the exact answer", or
"Twenty years ago, I thought I knew all the answers".

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2002\10\09@140825 by Jim

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> "Twenty years ago, I thought I knew all the answers".

Why use the the comma at all? This, IMO, simply adds
a pause that would not exist if this phrase were
spoken ...

Now here's a context where a comma in the second sentence
adds a 'preganant pause' for dramatic, impacting effect:

"Twenty years ago I was young, strong, and vigourous.
 Twenty years ago, I thought I knew all the answers."

RF Jim

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2002\10\09@162946 by Russell McMahon

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> >It is all about me. Twenty years ago I thought, I had
> >known exact answer to any questions. Now I prefer
> >"if I am not mistaken", or even "I don't know".
>
> And for a long time I've been using "Correct me if I'm wrong" ....

I've been known to use "BIMBW" (better "B,IMBW" *) but most of the time I
know I have a fair chance of being wrong and many people are happy to help
me realise 'tis so when 'tis so :-) (and even when 'tis not :-) ).



       R "the more I know, the less I know I know" M


* But, I may be wrong
(Ma posso sbagliare)
= MPS? :-)

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2002\10\09@234645 by Mike Singer

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Thank you
Jim, Dale, Peter, Russell.

Mike.

> "Twenty years ago, I thought I knew all the answers".

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2002\10\10@154649 by Benjamin Bromilow

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> > "Twenty years ago, I thought I knew all the answers".

Well I used to be conceited but now I'm perfect....
:)

Ben

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