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'[OT]: the best remote control program?'
2001\03\02@161232 by Leo

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Hi PICer friends,

I have a question for you just a little OT... but usefull.

From you point of view what is the best program
for telepresence/remote control like Carbon Copy,
PCanywhere ecc. ecc. under WIN9X / WIN2K??


Ciao

Leo

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2001\03\02@172527 by mmucker

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Windows 2000 Terminal Services in Remote Administration mode.

It's the only remote control package I've seen that hasn't caused blue
screens.

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2001\03\02@173611 by Randy Glenn

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My reccomendation goes to VNC, hands down. Never had any problems
with it, totally free, cross-platform, built-in webserver with Java
client, etc.

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

And a semi-commercial version that has encryption:

http://www.tridiavnc.com/

- -Randy Glenn

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2001\03\02@193613 by Bob Blick

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Randy Glenn wrote:
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> My reccomendation goes to VNC, hands down. Never had any problems
> with it, totally free, cross-platform, built-in webserver with Java
> client, etc.
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> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

I second that!

-Bob

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2001\03\03@004233 by M. D. Miller

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> Windows 2000 Terminal Services in Remote Administration mode.

Hahahaha ... very good, if you have Win2k server, and it's not _really_
remote control.  Ie: you don't take over the local console when you connect
via Terminal Server.  Terminal Services actually instanciates a virtual
computer of your very own with your own screen, independent of other
terminal server users, or the console.

We recently checked out a number of RC programs.  While I can't do a
complete review of each, here are some for you to check out.  FWIW, we're
looking at something we can implement enterprise wide on about 15k PCs, all
running Windows NT (currently) and all participants in a NT domain (actually
two domains).

VNC (Created by AT&T, freeware, great platform support, open source, but did
not suit our needs: insufficient security)

PC Anywhere (by Norton/Symantec) ... The one our review team liked the most,
but quite possibly not the one our company will select.

Ah geeze ... those are the only two I personally reviewed, and now I can't
think of the names of the others ... there were at least three other
products, but I'll have to dig out my notes at work Monday.

-- Mitch


P.S.  Your email program is setting the reply to address to your own email,
instead of allowing email to reply to the list.  You might want to remove
the reply-to field in your email's configuration, if it has that option.

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2001\03\03@163711 by Bill Westfield

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Re: VNC...

does anyone know of a VNC server for DOS - one that sits up in high memory
and talks tcp/ip via an ethernet card, without DOS even being aware of
it/them (VNS, Ethernet, TCP/IP)?  Seems like such a thing might just be
possible, and would be just the thing for getting all those lowly 386sx
systems running - the ones rescued from assorted dumpsters - without having
to dedicate realestate to bulky objects like monitors and keyboards.

BillW

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2001\03\03@171344 by Herbert Graf

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> does anyone know of a VNC server for DOS - one that sits up in high memory
> and talks tcp/ip via an ethernet card, without DOS even being aware of
> it/them (VNS, Ethernet, TCP/IP)?  Seems like such a thing might just be
> possible, and would be just the thing for getting all those lowly 386sx
> systems running - the ones rescued from assorted dumpsters -
> without having
> to dedicate realestate to bulky objects like monitors and keyboards.

       It's an interesting idea, however I think the problem is lack of OS
support. What I mean is in Windows when you want to open a TCP/IP connection
you simply open a socket, everything else is taken care of for you. To
implement the same in DOS you'd need to build in network card support, a
TCP/IP stack and everything else needed. Also I believe VNC is a bitmapped
environment, so you would also have to convert the DOS display to a bitmap
in order to be compatible with VNC.
       A much better solution IMHO is just to install Linux. There are alot of
smaller distros that will run fine on a 386 and everything is already built
in, a telnet server (or SSH) and almost any other server you want limited
only by memory and HD space. TTYL

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2001\03\03@184357 by Todd A. Erickson

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I second that emotion!  I have an old 386 and another 486 running Linux with
NO PROBLEMS at all!  Not to mention two other powerful machines running Linux.

What Herbert wants to do can be very easily and reliably done with Linux!


On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 05:14:34PM -0500, Herbert Graf wrote:
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2001\03\04@082243 by Wojciech Zabolotny

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On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 06:33:25PM -0500, Todd A. Erickson wrote:
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1) There is a DOS version of VNC available at:
  http://c0w.inode.at/mjy/dosvnc.html
  There is even an 1MB RAM version!!!
  It requires just DOS and packet drivers,
  However I'm not sure how secure VNC is (I think that the password is sent
  encrypted, but the rest of the session is not, however I don't remember
  where have I read it - probably you should check the docs or the sources)
  Well I tried to use it, but I had enormous problems with keys mapping.
  However if you use the plain english keyboard, there should be no
  problem.
2) If you do not need graphics, the Linux+SSH is the best choice for you.
  I've successfully ran the modified (my own 2.2.18 kernel, ppp stuff
  removed, vlock added and modified startup files) Polopyrin distro
  (sorry, I've forgotten the exact URL) on 386SX without FPU +5MB of RAM.
3) If you are going to use your machine as an X terminal, 8MB of RAM is the
  minimum. And once again you have to think about the security.
  If you install just a X server, you can connect to the X server with:
  X -query your.big.server.name
  but then your session is unencrypted and may be sniffed or hijacked.
  You have two options to make such configuration secure.
  a) Install the X server, window manager and xterm on your small machine
     ("small terminal"),
     run the xterm and login with ssh to the "big server" (X forwarding in ssh
     should be switched on), then you will be able run the programs on the
     remote "big server" using your small machine as a display. The whole
     X traffic will be encrypted.
  b) Run the X server on your terminal: "$ X".
     On the next virtual console (CTRL+ALT+F2) do ($ is the system prompt):
     $ export DISPLAY=:0
     $ ssh -X your.big.server.name
     after loging in, just run the window manager on the big server
     (eg.: $ icewm-gnome, the strict syntax depends on the window manager
     you use), and then connect to the X console (usually ALT+F7),
  c) Use the VPN approach. If you are the root of the remote big server,
     install the VPN stuff on it (eg. the kernel with "international
     extensions" and use CIPE, or install the "tunnel vision"), in this
     case the whole traffic between your "small terminal" and the "big
     terminal" may be safely encrypted. However this setup is not trivial
     and requires

Please remember, connection security is VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT, unless you
use just your home internal network. The sniffers are widely available, and
it is very easy to read the telnet or ftp password from the TCP/IP packet...

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2001\03\04@170544 by miked

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Seems I remember there was a way to redirect the console to the serial
port in DOS.
> Re: VNC...
>
> does anyone know of a VNC server for DOS - one that sits up in high memory and
> talks tcp/ip via an ethernet card, without DOS even being aware of it/them
> (VNS, Ethernet, TCP/IP)?  Seems like such a thing might just be possible, and
> would be just the thing for getting all those lowly 386sx systems running - the
> ones rescued from assorted dumpsters - without having to dedicate realestate to
> bulky objects like monitors and keyboards.
>
> BillW
>

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2001\03\04@190336 by Sean H. Breheny

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Yes, first you set the com port settings with MODE
and then use CTTY COMx: where x is the com port number.

Sean

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2001\03\04@205247 by M. D. Miller

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Yeah ... just beware that if you do this, the CTTY command doesn't return
(ie: give you a local command prompt) until the remote device sends a CTRL-Z
char, as I recall.

-- Mitch

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2001\03\04@210935 by Bill Westfield

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[VNC for plain DOS.]

>         A much better solution IMHO is just to install Linux.

Well, part of the purpose was to run old DOS applications, so linux isn't
the solution I was looking for. (although it's fine for other things...)

BillW

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2001\03\04@211806 by Randy Glenn

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You could always use DOSEMU under Linux, or use Bochs to run a
simulated PC under whatever OS you want.

- -Randy Glenn

This coming from the guy with a system tray 10 icons wide... by 2
tall... yes, I am insane ;)
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2001\03\04@220949 by Bill Westfield

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   1) There is a DOS version of VNC available at:
      http://c0w.inode.at/mjy/dosvnc.html
      There is even an 1MB RAM version!!!
      It requires just DOS and packet drivers,

That's the VNC 'client' (the part the user interacts with on a local
computer.)  I'm looking for a DOS "server" - the part that runs on the
remote system.  I figure that at least in theory, the TCP support required
would be drastically reduced since it would only need to support the VNC
connection itself (one connection?)  A one connection TCP can be pretty
simple, as the current microcontroller implementations are demonstrating.

BillW

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