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'[OT]: bikes vs. cars was: New toy... WOW!'
2000\06\21@225403 by Scott Dattalo

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Sorry to post a really off topic subject...



Check the archives, My email signature used to be:

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Tjaart, or was it some other pic-lister?, and I went back and forth with this a
while. I deleted most of the old messages, but here's one I still had:

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 and drink free beer.        (*)/(*)   o


While riding home today, I was thinking about this thread. When my mind drifted
away, then one those Jesus-fish tattooed Suburbans would refresh my memory.
Texas doesn't have any more SUV's than California, but most of the ones it does
have are these Titans. Of course, the California Suburbans have Darwins since
most of the Baptists there are democrats.  A couple of months ago I drove my 13
yr old, 70k, Nissan 200 SUX to Home Depot and managed to find a parking spot
between a Suburban and Excursion! I felt like I was driving a Tonka.

Now I hardly have a beef with these colossal cruisers. I mean how could I since
I'm an American? Judgment based on expediency of the moment does have it's
merits. Pragmatism has always been a good substitute for reason in solving
today's problems. If nothing, it saves us from having to worry about
tomorrow's. Who could possibly argue with that?

Perhaps an empirical arguement based on economics will suffice. For the 3 and
half years I rode my $3k Catalyst Litespeed I accumulated about 20 thousand
miles (twice as many as my car during the same period). That's about 15 cents
per mile. I went through probably 10 pairs of tires and at least twice that many
tubes. That along with a few chains, new headset, cables, and a set of
Spinergy's adds another 12 or 15 hundred bucks. So that costs about another 8
cents. But even titanium isn't impervious to a bumper. So last August I got the
three grand back from an insurance company. This leaves me out 8 cents a mile
and a couple of scars.

8 cents a mile ain't nothin', as they say around here.

Now when it comes to food, I certainly eat a lot! But that hardly has anything
to do with cycling. In fact, I bet many of the Suburban drivers consume a
comparable number of calories. At least it looks that way. Texans give new
meaning to mass transit.


Maybe energy conservation is a good justification for autos ?!? I once estimated
that even my little old Nissan on a 35 mile round trip consumed more energy than
my house in one day! But in all fairness, that was in California where I didn't
have an air conditioner. Looking at the efficiency of an automobile vs. a bike
is perhaps a more meaningful way to look at this problem? How much energy do you
think it takes just to heat the engine? I don't know, but someone once told me a
story of a fellow who'd wrap some marinated fish in aluminum foil, place it
precariously on his Corvette's engine block and take his wife for a long ride
through the country while he cooked dinner! The only thing cooking on my bike is
my thighs, an oven weighs too much to lug around. Though after a couple of hours
of riding I doubt I smell much better than a dead fish.

But when it comes down to it, I honestly could care less how much energy I'm
saving or how environmentally conscious I may be. I like to ride my bike.
Furthermore I could care less how much energy others waste. I find it
incredulous perhaps, but I'm sure they think the same about me.

Scott
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 I buy pizza instead of gas.    \<
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2000\06\22@062948 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

This is the last time I mention the cost of petrol in the UK/environmental
issues...(!)
More seriously, at least it got people talking/thinking (if they werent
anyway)....which is half way there to things changing for the better.

Wish me luck - I'm going to get off my arse and put my money where my mouth
is....and cycle to work tomorrow. Braving sub-zero English summer temperatures
and road-enraged drivers on a section of road marginally less dangerous than the
pit lane at the Daytona 500 during a yellow flag.

Dan




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Sorry to post a really off topic subject...



Check the archives, My email signature used to be:

                                __o
 I buy pizza instead of gas.    \<
                             (*)/(*)


Tjaart, or was it some other pic-lister?, and I went back and forth with this a
while. I deleted most of the old messages, but here's one I still had:

                                __    /_
 I buy pizza instead of gas,    \      >
 and drink free beer.        (*)/(*)   o


While riding home today, I was thinking about this thread. When my mind drifted
away, then one those Jesus-fish tattooed Suburbans would refresh my memory.
Texas doesn't have any more SUV's than California, but most of the ones it does
have are these Titans. Of course, the California Suburbans have Darwins since
most of the Baptists there are democrats.  A couple of months ago I drove my 13
yr old, 70k, Nissan 200 SUX to Home Depot and managed to find a parking spot
between a Suburban and Excursion! I felt like I was driving a Tonka.

Now I hardly have a beef with these colossal cruisers. I mean how could I since
I'm an American? Judgment based on expediency of the moment does have it's
merits. Pragmatism has always been a good substitute for reason in solving
today's problems. If nothing, it saves us from having to worry about
tomorrow's. Who could possibly argue with that?

Perhaps an empirical arguement based on economics will suffice. For the 3 and
half years I rode my $3k Catalyst Litespeed I accumulated about 20 thousand
miles (twice as many as my car during the same period). That's about 15 cents
per mile. I went through probably 10 pairs of tires and at least twice that many
tubes. That along with a few chains, new headset, cables, and a set of
Spinergy's adds another 12 or 15 hundred bucks. So that costs about another 8
cents. But even titanium isn't impervious to a bumper. So last August I got the
three grand back from an insurance company. This leaves me out 8 cents a mile
and a couple of scars.

8 cents a mile ain't nothin', as they say around here.

Now when it comes to food, I certainly eat a lot! But that hardly has anything
to do with cycling. In fact, I bet many of the Suburban drivers consume a
comparable number of calories. At least it looks that way. Texans give new
meaning to mass transit.


Maybe energy conservation is a good justification for autos ?!? I once estimated
that even my little old Nissan on a 35 mile round trip consumed more energy than
my house in one day! But in all fairness, that was in California where I didn't
have an air conditioner. Looking at the efficiency of an automobile vs. a bike
is perhaps a more meaningful way to look at this problem? How much energy do you
think it takes just to heat the engine? I don't know, but someone once told me a
story of a fellow who'd wrap some marinated fish in aluminum foil, place it
precariously on his Corvette's engine block and take his wife for a long ride
through the country while he cooked dinner! The only thing cooking on my bike is
my thighs, an oven weighs too much to lug around. Though after a couple of hours
of riding I doubt I smell much better than a dead fish.

But when it comes down to it, I honestly could care less how much energy I'm
saving or how environmentally conscious I may be. I like to ride my bike.
Furthermore I could care less how much energy others waste. I find it
incredulous perhaps, but I'm sure they think the same about me.

Scott
--
                                __o
 I buy pizza instead of gas.    \<
                             (*)/(*)







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