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2002\06\27@012143 by Mike Singer

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Peter L. Peres wrote:
> Can I use tclsh as DOS shell while doing it ? ;v)

Mike Singer wrote earlier:
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  Peter, my English is weak, I'm sorry .
I'm happy for you saved your invaluable time using
abbreviations. But what does it mean "tclsh" ? It drives me
absolutely upset, when I can't solve the sort of puzzles, you
proposed regularly.
  Thank You in advance.   Mike.

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2002\06\27@012805 by cdb

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I think he is referring to (TCL) TICKLE a text/shell editor program provided with Unix/Linux/Be Operating Systems.

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2002\06\27@023615 by Pic Dude

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TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming
language.  Sort of along the lines of Perl, though
definitely not the same language.  BTW, it's pronounced as
"tickle".  TclSh is a version of the Unix shell with Tcl
built in.

Cheers,
-Neil.




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2002\06\27@024514 by Kevin Olalde

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getting closer....

tclsh is just an environment for running tcl commands, not commands typically
found in unix shells.  TCL does do windows (mac too), and is in wide use.  Check
out http://www.scriptics.com/ if you're interested.

Kevin

Pic Dude wrote:
>
> TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming
> language.  Sort of along the lines of Perl, though
> definitely not the same language.  BTW, it's pronounced as
> "tickle".  TclSh is a version of the Unix shell with Tcl
> built in.
>
> Cheers,
> -Neil.
>
> {Original Message removed}

2002\06\27@030855 by Russell McMahon

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>    Peter, my English is weak, I'm sorry .
> I'm happy for you saved your invaluable time using
> abbreviations. But what does it mean "tclsh" ? It drives me
> absolutely upset, when I can't solve the sort of puzzles, you
> proposed regularly.
>    Thank You in advance.   Mike.

Blame Kerningham & Ritchie :-)
It's all to do with C & Unix and one of the primary objectives is to make
the language, the Operating System and everything associated with it as
terse & obfuscated (compact & confusing) as possible. Or so I'm told :-)

           RM

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2002\06\27@031925 by Pic Dude

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As far as I remember, Kernighan and Ritchie did an excellent
job of explaining the intracacies of C to me.  However, don't
get me started on Mr. Bjarne Stroustrup...

Cheers,
-Neil.




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2002\06\27@150446 by uter van ooijen & floortje hanneman

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> TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming

It is a scripting language, but not tied to any OS.

> BTW, it's pronounced as "tickle".

Actually it should be pronounced as "ti", the "ckle" stands for the Tk
library that is often 'bundeled' with the Tk interpreter (for instance in
wish). The combination is refered to as Tck/Tk. BTW Tk is just a C library
and can be used in other environments than Tcl, see for instance Python /
TkInter.

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2002\06\27@151532 by Brendan Moran

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> > TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming
>
> It is a scripting language, but not tied to any OS.
>
> > BTW, it's pronounced as "tickle".
>
> Actually it should be pronounced as "ti", the "ckle" stands for the Tk
> library that is often 'bundeled' with the Tk interpreter (for instance in
> wish). The combination is refered to as Tck/Tk. BTW Tk is just a C library
> and can be used in other environments than Tcl, see for instance Python /
> TkInter.

I was under the impression that the Tcl (Tool Command Language) interpreter
often had the Tk library bundled with it, producing Tcl/Tk.  And that Tcl
was pronounced "tickle" because it looks like it should be.

Could be wrong, I'll check my book tonight.

--Brendan

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2002\06\27@152412 by Peter L. Peres

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Pic Dude wrote:

>TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming
>language.  Sort of along the lines of Perl, though
>definitely not the same language.  BTW, it's pronounced as
>"tickle".  TclSh is a version of the Unix shell with Tcl
>built in.

No tclsh is a shell that uses the tcl programming language (the first half
of tcl/tk == tickle).

Peter

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2002\06\27@152417 by Peter L. Peres

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, cdb wrote:

>I think he is referring to (TCL) TICKLE a text/shell editor program
>provided with Unix/Linux/Be Operating Systems.

Which runs perfectly on W32 since it is cross platform ...

Peter

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2002\06\27@152420 by Peter L. Peres

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Russell McMahon wrote:

>>    Peter, my English is weak, I'm sorry .
>> I'm happy for you saved your invaluable time using
>> abbreviations. But what does it mean "tclsh" ? It drives me
>> absolutely upset, when I can't solve the sort of puzzles, you
>> proposed regularly.
>>    Thank You in advance.   Mike.
>
>Blame Kerningham & Ritchie :-)
>It's all to do with C & Unix and one of the primary objectives is to make
>the language, the Operating System and everything associated with it as
>terse & obfuscated (compact & confusing) as possible. Or so I'm told :-)

No, it is meant to save money by not having people buy new keyboards every
month. Try typing:

The_little_program_that_is_not_that_other_big_program_that_shows_date_and_time\
_but_does_not_change_it

now try typing:

date

When you have 2000+ executable commands (like most average Unix
installations have), then you start running out of letters fast. So you
have things like cut cat top lpr pr then you grow up to initials and have
troff and then you run out of everything and you start calling things
tclsh.

Peter

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2002\06\27@152431 by Peter L. Peres

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The puzzle could have been solved by Google and other search engines. It
is not an abbreviation. It is the name of a shell (like command.com) that
uses a neat programming language that tends to be QUITE powerful AND cross
platform (same code runs on several Unices and on W32). I think that the
downloads are here (even if the company changed hands):

http://devel.scriptics.com

I am glad I could help you out to find this resource, since you could seem
to have misunderstood it for a puzzle. And, in general, abbreviations have
a trailing dot as in abbrev. Too bad if it's at the end of the sentence.
Then you need to guess.

Peter

PS: Also look up bash.exe . Also not an abbrev. ;-)

On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Mike Singer wrote:

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2002\06\27@155351 by Peter L. Peres

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On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Brendan Moran wrote:

>> > TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming
>>
>> It is a scripting language, but not tied to any OS.
>>
>> > BTW, it's pronounced as "tickle".
>>
>> Actually it should be pronounced as "ti", the "ckle" stands for the Tk
>> library that is often 'bundeled' with the Tk interpreter (for instance in
>> wish). The combination is refered to as Tck/Tk. BTW Tk is just a C library
>> and can be used in other environments than Tcl, see for instance Python /
>> TkInter.
>
>I was under the impression that the Tcl (Tool Command Language) interpreter
>often had the Tk library bundled with it, producing Tcl/Tk.  And that Tcl
>was pronounced "tickle" because it looks like it should be.
>
>Could be wrong, I'll check my book tonight.

Usually there are two programs in a tickle distribution. One is tclsh and
the other is wish. tclsh does the tcl language. wish does everything tclsh
does plus it has the tk (toolkit) built in so it produces GUIs besides
being a proper tcl interpreter. Now I remembered what tcl stands for.

tcl = tool control language

(or command l.).

tk = toolkit, as in GUI toolkit.

Peter

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2002\06\27@163048 by Mark J. Dulcey

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Peter L. Peres wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Pic Dude wrote:
>
>
>>TCL is a Unix (possibly Win nowadays) scripting/programming
>>language.  Sort of along the lines of Perl, though
>>definitely not the same language.  BTW, it's pronounced as
>>"tickle".  TclSh is a version of the Unix shell with Tcl
>>built in.
>
>
> No tclsh is a shell that uses the tcl programming language (the first half
> of tcl/tk == tickle).

Does that mean that tclsh is promounced "ticklish"?

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2002\06\27@190855 by Mike Singer

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  Thank you, Peter.
  Besides being non-fluent in English, I have another
weakness: I'm lazy a little. I would rather prefer to
black-list postings needed to be Googled or
Altavistad in each word. It would give me more time
for reading clean and informative messages, posted
by Olin Lathrop, Bob Ammerman and others.
  Any ideas how can I do it? Should I develop a small
VBA program in MS Outlook?

  Mike.

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2002\06\28@053757 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Singer wrote:

>   Thank you, Peter.
>   Besides being non-fluent in English, I have another
>weakness: I'm lazy a little. I would rather prefer to
>black-list postings needed to be Googled or
>Altavistad in each word. It would give me more time
>for reading clean and informative messages, posted
>by Olin Lathrop, Bob Ammerman and others.
>   Any ideas how can I do it? Should I develop a small
>VBA program in MS Outlook?

Since you are an expert on the matter of VBA and already know where to
look (Google) I think that you have an edge on me here. Let us know how it
works out.

Peter

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2002\06\28@055434 by Roman Black

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> On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Mike Singer wrote:
>
> >   Thank you, Peter.
> >   Besides being non-fluent in English, I have another
> >weakness: I'm lazy a little. I would rather prefer to
> >black-list postings needed to be Googled or
> >Altavistad in each word. It would give me more time
> >for reading clean and informative messages,


Hmmmm. So you are going to create an email filter based
on unknown words?? So ANY email that mentions any part number
or new product will be deleted? Maybe that needs a bit more
thought. Or will you use a positive filter, where you first
install ALL the words you *don't* know? Sorry just teasing!
;o)
-Roman

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