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2002\07\27@201544 by Dave King

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Just paid $51 for a 275mhz HP scope on ebay.
Now I can watch fast blippy things.

Guess its time to think about retiring my old 20mhz B&K ;-]

Anyone got a deal on a soldering station?

Dave

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2002\07\27@210604 by Tom Messenger

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No particular deals. My favorite is the Weller WTCPT iron.

Digikey has it at $131US; Future-active lists it at $93US. I've tried
others but cannot get tips for them 100% of the time. The local electronics
shop in the nearest town to me carries Weller tips.  They also carry a nice
iron for about 40 bucks.  But they don't carry tips for it and they don't
seem to be available anywhere. So as usual, you get what you pay for.

Weller's do come up on ebay from time to time- plus, ebay has the fun and
thrill of the hunt.

Tom M.

At 05:12 PM 7/27/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Just paid $51 for a 275mhz HP scope on ebay.
>Now I can watch fast blippy things.
>
>Guess its time to think about retiring my old 20mhz B&K ;-]
>
>Anyone got a deal on a soldering station?
>
>Dave
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2002\07\27@222818 by Tal Dayan

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I am using Weller WES50
(http://www.coopertools.com/literature/weller/55802.pdf) and
am very happy with it.

It uses electronic temperature control as opposed the classic Weller
magnetic/mechanical thermostat.  You can adjust the temperature using a knob
and can even lock it using a 'magic' magnetic wand that comes with it.

One of its most useful features is the automatic shutdown. When you leave it
on long enough without using it, it turns itself automatically. This help to
prolong the tip life. I always wonder how do they detect when it is not in
use. My best bet is that the electronic system looks for sharp drops in the
head temperature. It works just great.

Tal


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2002\07\27@224337 by Ashley Roll

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I second that!

I have one and I'm really happy with it also. As an added bonus it is also
anti-static. There is also a large range of tips for it.. I use mine for
just about everything, including 0603 SMT components. The tips are all iron
plated and last for ages.

The pencil is very light and comfortable, yet can really deliver the heat if
you need it for those large wires and components. It also heats up pretty
quickly too, about 10 seconds for a reasonable working temperature.

Mine cost me around the AU$200 mark new, so I guess that's a little over
US$100 - well worth it!

Cheers,
Ash.
(no affiliation, just a happy owner)

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2002\07\28@001841 by Dave King

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At 12:42 PM 28/07/02 +1000, you wrote:
>I second that!
>
>I have one and I'm really happy with it also. As an added bonus it is also
>anti-static. There is also a large range of tips for it.. I use mine for
>just about everything, including 0603 SMT components. The tips are all iron
>plated and last for ages.
>
>The pencil is very light and comfortable, yet can really deliver the heat if
>you need it for those large wires and components. It also heats up pretty
>quickly too, about 10 seconds for a reasonable working temperature.
>
>Mine cost me around the AU$200 mark new, so I guess that's a little over
>US$100 - well worth it!
>
>Cheers,
>Ash.

Thats the one I was mulling over actually. I can buy it for $78 CDN locally.
I was just wondering how good it was or if I should spend a bit more money on
a station. Does sound like I could get one and use the money I save to
kill brain cells with beer ;-]

Dave

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2002\07\28@004006 by M. Adam Davis

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If you're looking for a good home for your old 20Mhz, let me know.  :-)
I can promise a steady diet of soft oats, good corn, and slow signals.

-Adam

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2002\07\29@131134 by Brendan Moran

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After having worked with several different soldering stations, the
only ones that I feel good about recommending are PACE and Metcal.
You can pick up a PACE station for 100-150CDN, but Metcal runs a lot
higher than that (digikey has one listed at $500CDN and change)

I used to think Weller was great, but then I had the privelege of
using a PACE station, then a Metcal.  There is really no comparison.
These are really industrial stations, and they are amazing.  The
pencil portion is far smaller than that of a Weller station; almost
the actual size of a pencil.  The temperature control is much finer
than that I have seen on a Weller, and it has very nice heat
flow--the system for attaching the head is quite good.

But then, I don't have too much experience with the newer Weller
stations...  But then, I assume that PACE and Metcal are advancing in
porportion as well.

Weller has long been a choice for hobbyists, AFAIK, but if you can
afford it, the industrial stations are very, very nice.  Try to find
one used.  That's what I did, and after having this station for a
while, I see no reason to go back to drooling over Wellers (what I
was doing before I found a good deal on a PACE station).

Oh, and on almost any industrial soldering station, I believe that
ESD protection is there.  I don't think a soldering station would
sell to an industrial customer if it weren't ESD protected.

Good luck, and good hunting,

- --Brendan

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2002\07\29@142446 by mike

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I'd absolutely agree as regards Metcal - it's the only iron I'd ever
want to use. Until you've used one it's hard to understand how much better it is
before using : "it's just a soldering iron.. I'm not paying that
much...." Afterwards : "I WANT ONE, NOW!"
In the UK, Metcal's sales tactic was to loan units to potential
customers for a week - hardly anyone wanted to give them back!

The main advantages are : Super-fast warm-up - less than 30 secs. The handle and tip cartridge design is such that you're holding it
really near the tip for good control, but it doesn't get too hot. You can be doing tiny SM stuff one minute, then change to a big tip
and in less than  30 secs be soldering chunky TO-220's to groundplanes
or screening cans really easily without overheating. The ability to
pump a lot of heat into big chunks of metal VERY quickly and safely
makes these irons unique. It's the only iron you'll ever need.

OK, the tips are expensive, but the plating lasts for ever (well
almost, but they usually give years of daily use), and if the heaters
die before the plating goes they replace them free.
The only Weller I ever use is the self-igniting pyropen - by far the
best portable iron for in-the-field use... until Metcal do a
battery-powered iron!

On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:11:25 -0700, you wrote:

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2002\07\29@155331 by Dwayne Reid

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At 10:11 AM 7/29/02 -0700, Brendan Moran wrote:
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>After having worked with several different soldering stations, the
>only ones that I feel good about recommending are PACE and Metcal.
>You can pick up a PACE station for 100-150CDN, but Metcal runs a lot
>higher than that (digikey has one listed at $500CDN and change)
>
>I used to think Weller was great, but then I had the privelege of
>using a PACE station, then a Metcal.  There is really no comparison.
>These are really industrial stations, and they are amazing.  The
>pencil portion is far smaller than that of a Weller station; almost
>the actual size of a pencil.  The temperature control is much finer
>than that I have seen on a Weller, and it has very nice heat
>flow--the system for attaching the head is quite good.

I agree with you about the Metcal stations but I really do *not* like the
Pace units very much.  In fact, I'll use a Weller station before I use Pace.

I still like the inexpensive Weller stations - TC201 series.  They work
well and last almost forever.  That said, however, I have switched most of
my production over to using Metcal STSS and MX series stations.  We also
have a Metcal SP200 station but I won't buy any more of those - they are
not all that much better than the Weller.  But the Metcal STSS (MX)
stations simply are the best that I have ever used.

Desoldering is a different story - the modified Weller desoldering stations
that we use blows (sucks?) the socks off the Metcal and Pace and OK and
Hakko desoldering stations.  The Metcal desoldering station does work
better on multi-layer boards than the Weller but the Weller works so much
better on single and double sided boards that the other stations just sit
around most of the time.

One other thing to keep in mind is price - I can purchase a brand-new
Weller station for about Can $120 whereas a similar Metcal MX-500 station
with 1 iron and tip is about Can $1000.  Based upon that and my past
excellent experience with Weller stations, I still think that a Weller TC
series station is the best bang for the buck.

dwayne

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2002\07\29@160918 by Brendan Moran

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> I agree with you about the Metcal stations but I really do *not*
> like the Pace units very much.  In fact, I'll use a Weller station
> before I use Pace.
>

Well, that may be the case for you, but my PACE station (forget the
model number, will post it tonight if I remember) blows the Weller
EC1002 away.  If given the choice, I will always use my PACE over a
Weller.

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2002\07\29@161735 by Brendan Moran

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> Well, that may be the case for you, but my PACE station (forget the
> model number, will post it tonight if I remember) blows the Weller
> EC1002 away.  If given the choice, I will always use my PACE over a
> Weller.

Whups, forgot to say that the EC1002 is what I use at work.  Any
Weller I've ever used has been worse than the PACE soldering station
that I got second hand.

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2002\07\29@163742 by lexandre_Guimar=E3es?=

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Hi,

> > Well, that may be the case for you, but my PACE station (forget the
> > model number, will post it tonight if I remember) blows the Weller
> > EC1002 away.  If given the choice, I will always use my PACE over a
> > Weller.
>
> Whups, forgot to say that the EC1002 is what I use at work.  Any
> Weller I've ever used has been worse than the PACE soldering station
> that I got second hand.


   Metcal is better anyway I can think of but between Pace and Weller it
maybe a matter of "taste". I prefer the Pace but the girls that solder 4
hours a day at my company do not like it !! I do not know why but they
prefer the weller stations. For heavy soldering Pace transfers heat to the
object much better then Weller. The Pace station sits idle most of the time
I am not using it !

   As durability goes I think nothing can beat Wellers ! I have some for
more than 10 years with almost no problems.

Best regards,
Alexandre Guimaraes

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2002\07\29@175148 by Alexandre Souza

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>    As durability goes I think nothing can beat Wellers ! I have some for
>more than 10 years with almost no problems.
>
>
   Hmm, I have a different experience...My weller tips doesn't lasts
more than a year. Never. Of course I have care for them, and they aren't
so expensive, but never had a tip last more than a year.

   Got curious about pace and metcal stations. Anyone knows where can I
buy one in Brazil?

   BTW, I'm still looking for the desoldering pistol of my dreams ;o)

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2002\07\29@181451 by lexandre_Guimar=E3es?=

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Hi,

>     Hmm, I have a different experience...My weller tips doesn't lasts
> more than a year. Never. Of course I have care for them, and they aren't
> so expensive, but never had a tip last more than a year.

   With almost continuous use mine last a little longer than that but they
last much longer than the ones in the pace stations and cost much less. A
lot less actually. The secret is never to scratch the tip and keep it with
clean solder all the time.

>     Got curious about pace and metcal stations. Anyone knows where can I
> buy one in Brazil?

   I have seen some in fairs in the past. I think quartz has them both.

>     BTW, I'm still looking for the desoldering pistol of my dreams ;o)

   You should take a look at some of pace's desoldering stations ! They are
great if you use them a lot. I still have and old Ungar with integrated
vacuum pump that I use once in a while.

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Alexandre Guimaraes

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2002\07\30@092820 by Bill & Pookie

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Talk about spoiled kids!  Am I the only one that
remembers the morning ritual of filling down the
tip to bare copper and tinning it?

Bill

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2002\07\30@095242 by M. Adam Davis

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Egad, don't remind me.  I could never get the iron just right that way.

I finally procured an old wellar (TC202) and found that the tips are
still produced.  I tinned it once and have never had to tin it again.
The tip that came with it appeared as though someone had touch a hot
wire with it - a big chunk out of the middle of it so it looked like a
forked tongue.  Would you believe I soldered with that for a few years?
Ewww.

I only turn the thing on a few times a month, though, so I'm certianly
not a heavy user.

-Adam

Bill & Pookie wrote:

>Talk about spoiled kids!  Am I the only one that
>remembers the morning ritual of filling down the
>tip to bare copper and tinning it?
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>Bill
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2002\07\30@175346 by Peter L. Peres

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Bill & Pookie wrote:

>Talk about spoiled kids!  Am I the only one that
>remembers the morning ritual of filling down the
>tip to bare copper and tinning it?

I even remember the ritual of adjusting the wick of the spirit lamp used
to heat it ;-) Especially since this is what I ended up using a few times
in rustical conditions. The iron was 1/4" copper tubing crushed at 45
degrees at an end, filled with solder wire (heat reserve), and crushed
again at the far end and stuck in a pan's handle. hehe. You'd know if it
is hot enough by shaking it. The liquid solder and the air bubble inside
give a peculiar feeling.

Peter

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2002\07\31@115945 by Bill & Pookie

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I can see now that first lier doesn't stand a
chance here.

But I will remember your iron in case I am ever
stranded in the wilderness and need to repair my
GPS unit.

Pookie

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2002\07\31@170229 by Peter L. Peres

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bill & Pookie wrote:

>I can see now that first lier doesn't stand a
>chance here.

?

>But I will remember your iron in case I am ever
>stranded in the wilderness and need to repair my
>GPS unit.

Hehe. I came up with this while camping. I tore the wire to the battery
holder on the only radio we had while changing batteries. It was a
question of prestige to fix it ;-). It was WAY long ago.

Peter

>Pookie
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2002\07\31@221621 by Bill & Pookie

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> On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bill & Pookie wrote:
>
> >I can see now that first lier doesn't stand a
> >chance here.
>
> ?

It is what Bill says when sitting around telling
stories and the next few stories are better than
his.

And I was wondering where the pan and handle came
in, now I know.  Great "Out of the Box" thinking.

Pookie

> >But I will remember your iron in case I am ever
> >stranded in the wilderness and need to repair
my
> >GPS unit.
>
> Hehe. I came up with this while camping. I tore
the wire to the battery
> holder on the only radio we had while changing
batteries. It was a
> question of prestige to fix it ;-). It was WAY
long ago.
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> >of the spirit lamp used
> >> to heat it ;-) Especially since this is what
I
> >ended up using a few times
> >> in rustical conditions. The iron was 1/4"
copper
> >tubing crushed at 45
> >> degrees at an end, filled with solder wire
(heat
> >reserve), and crushed
> >> again at the far end and stuck in a pan's
> >handle. hehe. You'd know if it
> >> is hot enough by shaking it. The liquid
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2002\08\01@121858 by Peter L. Peres
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On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bill & Pookie wrote:

>And I was wondering where the pan and handle came
>in, now I know.  Great "Out of the Box" thinking.

I though you were wondering about where I got solder wire from in the
wilderness. That's easy. There is always some in my bag/pockets ;-)

Peter

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