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'[OT]: Uninstalling a Dual-boot computer'
2000\09\25@095833 by Dr. Chris Kirtley

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Dear all,

I wonder if someone could help me with a non-PIC question?

My laptop has been doing strange things lately and has to be sent back
to its maker for fixing. The only snag is that I have dual-boot NT and
Win98 (just for the USB camera) and the manufacturer says they don't
support dual-boot machines. The problems are hardware-related, but I
suspect they might use the dual-boot thing as an excuse not to fix it. I
need to uninstall the Win98 and the OS loader before sending it back.
Can anyone tell me how to do this?

TIA!

Chris
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2000\09\25@114220 by Nick Taylor

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"Dr. Chris Kirtley" wrote:
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> My laptop has been doing strange things lately and has to be sent back
> to its maker for fixing. The only snag is that I have dual-boot NT and
> Win98 (just for the USB camera) and the manufacturer says they don't
> support dual-boot machines. The problems are hardware-related, but I
> suspect they might use the dual-boot thing as an excuse not to fix it. I
> need to uninstall the Win98 and the OS loader before sending it back.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?

Hi Dr. Chris ...

IMHO the "cleanest" method is to back up ALL of your data files,
format the HD, reinstall NT, then reinstall your applications.  To
make this a simpler process in the future it seems best to partion
the HD; place the OS and applications on C and your data files on D.
Then there is no need to back up and replace the data files.

Good luck,
-Nick

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2000\09\28@144618 by John De Villiers

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Boot NT then go take off the read-only bit on c:\boot.ini

In the boot.ini there is a line for each boot partition 1: NT 2: NT VGA 3:
Windows

Remove the line that has the windows bit in it. and save the file.

It wont remove win98, but it wont show up on the boot screen. I do sugget
though that a complete re-load be done. Any Version of windows needs it
about once every 6 months, well mine does at least  ;-)
>
> My laptop has been doing strange things lately and has to be sent back
> to its maker for fixing. The only snag is that I have dual-boot NT and
> Win98 (just for the USB camera) and the manufacturer says they don't
> support dual-boot machines. The problems are hardware-related, but I
> suspect they might use the dual-boot thing as an excuse not to fix it. I
> need to uninstall the Win98 and the OS loader before sending it back.
> Can anyone tell me how to do this?

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2000\09\29@065048 by Jamie Dainton

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Hello John,

Thursday, September 28, 2000, 19:36:50, you wrote:

JDV> Any Version of windows needs it about once every 6 months, well
JDV> mine does at least ;-)

What have you got installed on that poor machine? Even with Protel the
Evil and Delphi 5 pro (w/many extras) and using the machine as an
occasional web server it seems to last nearly a year without a
reinstall. My Win 3.11 machine ran for 5 years being used for about 5
hours a day without being re-installed ever. We used to get 60 hour
continuous uptime on it during the winter.

A friends NT server is still running after two years continuous 24/7
use. It's crashed once or twice but seems to have about a 99% uptime.
It's reasonably low load though with only 30 machines being served
from it (and no multiplayer games!).


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2000\09\29@070752 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Nothing seems to screw up a Windows PC more than installing a few big games
on it (Q3, Halflife, Unreal etc) and then fiddling around with various
different versions of drivers etc, as many games players tend to.  I used to
do rather too much online gaming and I found that performance/reliability
dropped after just a few months.  Using somehting like DriveImage was a
must, in order to get your system back to peak performance in minutes.
These days I don't have the time to play games, my PC has various PIC dev
tools, Borland C++ Builder and the standard range of internet app's.  I
haven't noticed any change in performance or reliability in the last 12
months.

I can just hearing people screaming "LINUX!!" now. The truth is I do have a
linux box as well, but I don't ever seem to get the time to play.  And I am
not experienced enough with linux to be able to do anything else but play!

Mike

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2000\09\29@075042 by Bob Ammerman

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The more different software installed the more likely the machine is to get
gummed up. To give you an idea of how bad it can be when you are trying to
support software that has been developed over the last n > 15 years, here is
a _subset_ of what is on my machine. It takes _forever_ to boot!

Win98SE
Intellution scada software
M$ office
2 x CD creation packages
VEDIT
WinZIP
PKZIP25 command line
Full version Acrobat
Lego Mindstorms (gotta have some fun with my 10 year old)
Norton utilities and antivirus and SystemWorks and Ghost
TurboTax (gotta pay Uncle Sam his pound of flesh)
2 or 3 versions of Install Shield
Syntrillium sound editor
A couple or three graphics editors
MSDN library (hurrah for DVD!)
VC 1.52 (16 bit)
VC 5.0
VC 6.0
VB 5.0
Borland C 3.1 and 5.02
Turbo Pascal 7.0
Delphi 1.0 and 4.0
Microsoft 16 bit fortran
MASM 6.11
Turbo assembler
Z80 emulation software
Microsoft Z80 toolchain (fortran,link,assembler)
MPLAB
Procomm Plus
Win98 DDK
Dongle preparation software
IBM AS400 client access software
Eagle schematic and PCB layout programs
Pads PCB
Altera
Mathcad
...and a host of others... (no pun intended)

(And then there is the Linux partition ...)

Needless to say, I am constantly in DLL Hell and bit cruft is a continuing
problem!

BTW: All of this lives on a Dell notebook with a 25GB hard drive, which is
getting rather full.

They say that Win2000 fixes a lot of these install related issues by making
the job of an installation program miserable. It still can't help all these
'legacy' packages play nice together, I wouldn't think.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2000\09\29@080056 by Jilles Oldenbeuving

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>Win98SE
>Intellution scada software
[ zap ]
>IBM AS400 client access software
>Eagle schematic and PCB layout programs
>Pads PCB
>Altera
>Mathcad
>...and a host of others... (no pun intended)



All paid for ofcourse! <phun intended!>


Jilles

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2000\09\29@093848 by Jamie Dainton

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Hello Bob,

Friday, September 29, 2000, 12:42:21, you wrote:

BA> The more different software installed the more likely the machine is to get
BA> gummed up. To give you an idea of how bad it can be when you are trying to
BA> support software that has been developed over the last n > 15 years, here is
BA> a _subset_ of what is on my machine. It takes _forever_ to boot!

Win 98SE
Protel 99SE SP5
Office 2K (the full 4CD pack)
Delphi 5.0 (Pro)
Visual Studio 6 (Enterprise)
Personal Web Server
PIC Dev tools
AVR Dev tools
Winamp
Winrar
WinZip
WinAce
Ultraedit 32
Unreal T
Quake 3
Carmageddon TDR2000
Caramgeddon 2
Star Wars Pod Racer
Macromedia Dreamweaver UltraDev
Acrobat 4
PsiWin
Adobe Photoshop 5
Paint Shop pro 6

This is just my machine at work. It's now in serious bpl (Borland
Package Library) hell. ASP Express converted my nice COM to COM+, hmm
now all my CORBA apps are a bit.... Time to format c:




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2000\09\29@094652 by Andy Howard

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Subject: [OT]: Uninstalling a Dual-boot computer


> The more different software installed the more likely the machine is to
get
> gummed up. To give you an idea of how bad it can be when you are trying to
> support software that has been developed over the last n > 15 years, here
is
> a _subset_ of what is on my machine. It takes _forever_ to boot!

> Win98SE

<snip>

> Lego Mindstorms (gotta have some fun with my 10 year old)

Yeah, of course, you bought it for the kids, really, :->


I've got this great electric car-racing track I bought for my kids too - if
I ever have any.







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2000\09\29@150640 by Arthur Brown

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I got Lego Racers for My Granddaughter grate fun......


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> > The more different software installed the more likely the machine is to
> get
> > gummed up. To give you an idea of how bad it can be when you are trying
to
> > support software that has been developed over the last n > 15 years,
here
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if
> I ever have any.
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2000\09\29@214306 by Bob Ammerman

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Yes, of course!

I make my living developing software. You can be sure that I don't pirate my
development tools.

Many of these are special development versions that are free or low in cost.
For example, Intellution allows up to 2 hours of run time without a dongle.

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2000\09\30@002417 by Jinx

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Some Win clean up tips

http://www.annoyances.org/win95/

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'[OT]: Uninstalling a Dual-boot computer'
2000\10\02@094349 by Alan B. Pearce
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>I need to uninstall the Win98 and the OS loader
>before sending it back.
>Can anyone tell me how to do this?

I would be tempted to just comment out the line in the Boot.Ini file. Any NT installation is by definition dual boot because there is two options to boot NT. One option is the usual (default) option, and the other is the VGA only option. If you comment out the Win98 option it will not show, so they should have no reason to reject it.

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2000\10\03@233932 by Gennette, Bruce

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It depends on how you installed Win98.  *IF* Win98 was installed second, and
it is in a separate (and easily known) directory then the method proposed by
John (below) will turn the dual boot back to single boot.  You then *MAY*
remove the Win98 directory too.

*IF* however, Winnt is on a different drive from C: or Win98 was installed
first you would probably be better off backing up your data and doing a new,
clean install of nt and your application programs (and their patches, etc).

For the future I suggest you get a good disk partition manager (like
Partitian Magic) and divide your (1) physical hard disk into several
(logical) primary partitians, then install each operating system onto an
appropriate drive (Win95 & 98 insist on being put onto C:).  Keep 2 copies
(renamed) of the boot.ini file - one setup for dual boot and one for single
boot into nt so that a simple copy can make the system appear whichever way
you want others to see it.  Win 95, 98, 2000 & nt4 will simply not see non
Dos partitians as anything more than unavailable space.

[Note - Win95 & 98 fdisk can not create more than one primary partitian
(able to hold a separate, self contained operating system), but it can work
with them once another operating systems' fdisk or a disk management program
has created them.

Bye.

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