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2006\05\22@192922 by Peter

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There was a thread about happiness and its quantification on this list
some time ago, and I posted some links about this subject then. I would
like to add one more:

http://www1.eur.nl/fsw/happiness/

Apparently Danes are happiest. Maybe it's connected with humor, as in
cartoons ?

Peter

2006\05\23@070555 by Lindy Mayfield

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Could be connected with spirituality, as in Christiana.

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Subject: [OT]: Thread about happiness


There was a thread about happiness and its quantification on this list
some time ago, and I posted some links about this subject then. I would
like to add one more:

http://www1.eur.nl/fsw/happiness/

Apparently Danes are happiest. Maybe it's connected with humor, as in
cartoons ?

Peter

2006\05\23@104958 by Russell McMahon

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I'm not happy that a lot of the data appears to be inaccessible!

Nation list

       http://www1.eur.nl/fsw/happiness/hap_nat/findingreports/RankReport2006-1.htm

North Korea doesn't feature.
Nor Sudan.

Egypt seems low.
Guatemala is impressive.
Colombia is unbelievable - I knew the stuff was meant to be good, but
...
The ex Russian republics, and Russia, tend to rank consistently low.

Philippines is well below US which directly contradicts what I've seen
elsewhere based on a reasonably detailed survey.

Something is wrong with their basic methodology - they rate
Australians as happier than NZers.

If sorting note that Germany and ? have . and not ,

Robert Mugabe will be happy that he's beaten the Tanzanians (just)


       RM



Sorted by score:
nation1Satisfaction with life 2, 3Number of surveys
Denmark8.2, 3
Colombia (5)8.1, 2
Switzerland8.1, 3
Austria7.8, 4
Guatemala (4)7.8, 1
Iceland7.8, 1
Australia7.7, 14
Finland7.7, 4
Mexico7.7, 2
Sweden7.7, 6
Canada 7.6, 1
Ireland7.6, 3
Luxembourg7.6, 3
Norway7.6, 2
Netherlands7.5, 3
Malta7.5, 2
New Zealand7.4, 1
USA7.4, 2
Belgium7.3, 3
El Salvador7.2, 1
Honduras (4)7.2, 1
Germany7.2, 4
Britain7.1, 4
Cyprus6.9, 1
Italy 6.9, 3
Argentina6.8, 2
Brazil6.8, 1
Dominican Republic6.8, 1
Singapore6.8, 1
Spain6.8, 5
Venezuela6.8, 2
Chile6.7, 2
Israel6.7, 3
Slovenia6.7, 5
Uruguay6.7, 1
Indonesia6.6, 1
France6.5, 3
Czechia6.4, 3
Greece6.4, 3
Philippines6.4, 2
China (1)6.3, 2
Nigeria6.3, 2
Japan 6.2, 2
Taiwan6.2, 1
Uzbekistan (4)6.2, 1
Vietnam6.1, 1
Iran6, 1
Peru6, 2
Portugal6, 3
Poland5.9, 4
Bolivia (4)5.8, 1
Croatia5.8, 2
South-Korea5.8, 1
Bangladesh5.7, 2
Hungary5.7, 8
India5.7, 1
Ivory Coast (4)5.7, 1
Morocco5.6, 1
Senegal (4)5.6, 1
Montenegro5.5, 2
Slovakia5.4, 2
South-Africa5.4, 3
Lebanon (4)5.3, 1
Turkey5.3, 3
Algeria5.2, 1
Jordan5.2, 1
Romania5.2, 2
Bosnia5.1, 2
Estonia5.1, 3
Kenya (4)5.1, 1
Serbia5.1, 2
Uganda5.1, 1
Azerbaijan4.9, 1
Macedonia4.9, 2
Egypt4.8, 1
Mali (4)4.8, 1
Ghana (4)4.7, 1
Latvia 4.7, 3
Albania4.6, 1
Lithuania4.6, 3
Angola (4)4.3, 1
Pakistan4.3, 1
Russia4.3, 13
Bulgaria4.2, 3
Georgia4.1, 1
Belarus4, 2
Armenia3.7, 1
Ukraine3.6, 2
Moldova3.5, 2
Zimbabwe3.3, 1
Tanzania3.2, 1

2006\05\23@121738 by Lindy Mayfield

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Cool, Finland is number 4!



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Subject: Re: [OT]: Thread about happiness

I'm not happy that a lot of the data appears to be inaccessible!

Nation list

       http://www1.eur.nl/fsw/happiness/hap_nat/findingreports/RankReport2006-1.htm

North Korea doesn't feature.
Nor Sudan.

Egypt seems low.
Guatemala is impressive.
Colombia is unbelievable - I knew the stuff was meant to be good, but
...
The ex Russian republics, and Russia, tend to rank consistently low.

2006\05\24@083640 by Gerhard Fiedler
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Russell McMahon wrote:

> I'm not happy that a lot of the data appears to be inaccessible!

While some general tendencies may reflect a reality, this list is rather
questionable, IMO.

First the fact that "happiness" means something different to every person,
in every culture, and terms like these are notoriously difficult to
translate "culture-neutrally".

Then the questions... the same problems, but multiplied. And added the
issue that in some cultures exists a certain pressure to not talk about
anything problematic and presenting an always "happy" image, whereas other
cultures cultivate criticism and talking about problems. Who's to say who's
happier?

Gerhard

2006\05\24@090441 by Ruben Jönsson

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> cultures cultivate criticism and talking about problems. Who's to say who's
> happier?
>
> Gerhard
>

Measure the dopamin level in the brain?

/Ruben



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2006\05\24@092458 by Tony Smith

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> > cultures cultivate criticism and talking about problems.
> Who's to say
> > who's happier?
> >
> > Gerhard
> >
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> Measure the dopamin level in the brain?
>
> /Ruben


Before or after you run off with their lollypop?

Heard something the other day - if you are trying to be happy you never
will be.

Tony

2006\05\24@102211 by Ling SM

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>>I'm not happy that a lot of the data appears to be inaccessible!

I am the most happy when I do not have to be online, or powered up.  The
problem is the large amount top-grade aviation fuel to disconnect me and
the same amount to reconnect back.

Cheers, Ling SM

2006\05\24@104654 by Herbert Graf

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On Wed, 2006-05-24 at 09:35 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> > I'm not happy that a lot of the data appears to be inaccessible!
>
> While some general tendencies may reflect a reality, this list is rather
> questionable, IMO.
>
> First the fact that "happiness" means something different to every person,
> in every culture, and terms like these are notoriously difficult to
> translate "culture-neutrally".
>
> Then the questions... the same problems, but multiplied. And added the
> issue that in some cultures exists a certain pressure to not talk about
> anything problematic and presenting an always "happy" image, whereas other
> cultures cultivate criticism and talking about problems. Who's to say who's
> happier?

Agreed, and even worse then that, look at the sample sizes! How can a
sample size of 3 (for Denmark) convey ANY meaning?

TTYL

2006\05\24@120122 by Nate Duehr

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Gerhard Fiedler wrote:

> Then the questions... the same problems, but multiplied. And added the
> issue that in some cultures exists a certain pressure to not talk about
> anything problematic and presenting an always "happy" image, whereas other
> cultures cultivate criticism and talking about problems. Who's to say who's
> happier?

Heh, good point.

And some cultures seem to change this over time.

http://www.natetech.com/?p=100 - written back in 2003.

Nate

2006\05\24@153108 by Gerhard Fiedler

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Nate Duehr wrote:

> And some cultures seem to change this over time.

Definitely -- a culture is always a culture at a certain point in time.
They never stay the same.

> http://www.natetech.com/?p=100 - written back in 2003.

We've all been there :)

I think there's a difference (a big and crucial one) between being a
"yes-man" and being really, truly positive. Being positive doesn't
necessarily mean to accept everything, but it helps bringing the best out
of people -- even (or especially) when one of those people just messed up
big time. Whenever I meet someone I admire for his or her leadership, you
can bet that /real/ being positive is part of that personality.

It's a similar difference as there is between being politically correct and
having worked enough on ones own issues so one doesn't have to be rude to
others that touch them.

Gerhard

2006\05\25@025401 by Howard Winter

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On Wed, 24 May 2006 02:34:50 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:

>...
> Egypt seems low.
> Guatemala is impressive.
> Colombia is unbelievable - I knew the stuff was meant to be good, but
> ...
> The ex Russian republics, and Russia, tend to rank consistently low.
>
> Philippines is well below US which directly contradicts what I've seen
> elsewhere based on a reasonably detailed survey.
>
> Something is wrong with their basic methodology - they rate
> Australians as happier than NZers.
>
> If sorting note that Germany and ? have . and not ,
>
> Robert Mugabe will be happy that he's beaten the Tanzanians (just)

I'm a bit amazed that Finland, Norway, Sweden are in the very high group - as I remember it, Scandinavia has
among the highest suicide rates (I worked for a Finnish company once, and was told that it's so common that
everyone knows someone who's killed themselves).  I suppose if the unhappy ones deal with it like that, the
rest are on average happier!

I'm also surprised that we come as low as we do - it may be that we prefer to moan about things, but are
actually not as unhappy as that suggests.

Cheers,

Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


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