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'[OT]: The S/N debate and the PIClist'
2002\09\16@190305 by Wouter van Ooijen

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my opinions

- *many* thanks to the guys who manage the list!
- even with all the noise the pic(k)list is still a *very* good source
of information
- I am no fan of the tag system but I don't find it annoying (but it
would be nice if a posting without any tag would be rejected...)
- all repliers: please trim down the original message! At least if you
want me to read your text: I am lazy, so if I don't see anything but
'old' lines in the first 20..30 lines I just skip the message.
- I have no problem with the [OT]: channel but I would not object to
removing it either

Wouter

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2002\09\16@193539 by Byron A Jeff

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On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 01:01:13AM +0200, Wouter van Ooijen wrote:
> my opinions

I'll add my 2 microEuros too.

>
> - *many* thanks to the guys who manage the list!

Agreed. Without their ever diligent support, we wouldn't have a list
to post info, complaints, and praise on.

> - even with all the noise the pic(k)list is still a *very* good source
> of information

Very good. I learned to manage it a while a ago by switching to a threaded
mail reader (mutt) that can delete an entire thread with a single keystroke.
Between that and procmail filtering out all of my PICLIST mail to a separate
file I find it quite managable.

> - I am no fan of the tag system but I don't find it annoying (but it
> would be nice if a posting without any tag would be rejected...)

Agreed on the latter. On the rare occasions where I actually start a thread
I always forget and I end up posting twice. Even marking untagged posts as
[OT]: would help.

> - all repliers: please trim down the original message! At least if you
> want me to read your text: I am lazy, so if I don't see anything but
> 'old' lines in the first 20..30 lines I just skip the message.

Absolutely. Edit with a vengance!

> - I have no problem with the [OT]: channel but I would not object to
> removing it either

I would. Here's why: without the outlet of the [OT]: channel, folks would
simply make the same posts, but do so in an inappropriate channel.

My advise is that if you don't want to see [OT]: posts, then configure the
list software not to sent it to you. That would, along with trimming, lessen
the amount of traffic heading out from MIT.

It ain't broke folks. Don't try to fix it.

BAJ

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2002\09\16@230346 by Dale Botkin

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Patrick, John @ EDI wrote:

> So, what I suggest is to make the PIClist pseudo-moderated.  (What follows
> is something I have seen on other lists, but I'm unsure if the MIT listserv
> is capable of it.)

It's not.  If it were, I'm still not going to voluntter to moderate posts,
far too few of them would make it past me.  I'm afraid I'd be very
unpopular.  Heck, I probably am now.

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2002\09\16@231606 by gaston gagnon

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Wouter van Ooijen a écrit :

> my opinions
>
> <...>

> - all repliers: please trim down the original message! At least if you
> want me to read your text: I am lazy, so if I don't see anything but
> 'old' lines in the first 20..30 lines I just skip the message.

But pleeeeaaaase (Olin) leave in the name of the originator so we can go
back and read the original post.
Gaston

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2002\09\17@020216 by Quentin

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My milliAmps worth (To keep it somewhat on topic)

I've been on the list for a few years now. What you see now is the end
result many years of hard work by the members and especially the admin.

The tag system is there especially to keep things on track and it works. You
don't like OT posts, go switch it off. See piclist.com. It is human nature
to talk about non related stuff, and a lot of guys would like to discuss it
with their peers, which in this case is fellow picsters.

As for repeated posts from new comers et all (What do I do with my unused
pins? - type of questions) there is the piclist.com.

If you are wondering where all the "unsubscrible" jokes come from: before
James added footnotes to every email, a lot of people asked on the list how
to unsubscribe and a lot can't unsubscribe because they can't spell. We used
to get a request every other day, now it is down to just about nothing. If
in doubt, see piclist.com.

Want to sent web based emails with tags scripted in the subject line? See
piclist.com.

OK, you see me hammering on piclist.com. James Newton and admin did a lot of
work creating it to help us with piclist. All these problems and questions
about the structure of the list  are addressed there with lots of extra
information for new comers on PICs and the piclist.

Oh, we have heard about the list "deteriorating" <sarcastic> for years now.
This is the end result.

OK, I'll get of the PIC box now.

Quentin

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2002\09\17@045713 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I'll add my 2 microEuros too.

And I'll add my 2 British pennies as well.

>> - *many* thanks to the guys who manage the list!

>Agreed.

And more hearty agreement from me.

>> - even with all the noise the pic(k)list is still a *very*
>> good source of information

>Very good. I learned to manage it a while a ago by switching
>to a threaded mail reader (mutt) that can delete an entire
>thread with a single keystroke.

I separate the different tags into separate mailboxes in Outlook Express,
and this allows me to prioritise how I read them. Makes it a lot easier to
follow threads, and then by sorting by subject line, can delete whole
threads that do not interest me quite easily.

>> - I am no fan of the tag system but I don't find it annoying
>>(but it would be nice if a posting without any tag would be rejected...)

Well there has been much discussion in the past about this. In my case any
message that does not have a correct tag gets put in a separate mailbox. I
include the colon and square brackets in the sort, and then watch the fun as
people try to put correct tags on messages. :))

>> - all repliers: please trim down the original message!

>Absolutely. Edit with a vengance!

Agreed. I find that it is not that much of a hassle to copy and paste (I
abhor automatic inclusion of message when replying, which I suspect is the
biggest source of this problem), and reformat the message so that I know the
quoted portion is not going to get mangled by the line fold length when I
send it.

>> - I have no problem with the [OT]: channel but I would not
>>object to removing it either

>I would. Here's why: without the outlet of the [OT]: channel,
>folks would simply make the same posts, but do so in an
>inappropriate channel.

I agree here as well. Removal of the OT will produce more unwanted noise
under other tags. By default posts without tags will become the OT channel.

>It ain't broke folks. Don't try to fix it.

My thoughts too. The tag system runs well now folk are used to it, and once
people are educated to the use of it, it seems to work extremely well. For
the most part people do change the tag when the subject matter strays from
the original posting. Just that some of the education does need to be about
knowing when to cut back on conversations, instead of having them run for
ages.

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2002\09\17@094855 by Byron A Jeff

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:01:47PM -0500, Dale Botkin wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Patrick, John @ EDI wrote:
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> ...I'm still not going to voluntter to moderate posts,
> far too few of them would make it past me.  I'm afraid I'd be very
> unpopular.  Heck, I probably am now.

Are you daft man!?!? You're my HERO!!! ;-)

BAJ

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