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2001\11\08@224903 by Tom Messenger

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If anyone on the list has tried out a TIVO box, can you tell me whether any
of it's features work at all WITHOUT a subscription? I've checked out many
of the TIVO hack sites but they are mostly interested in how to add a
second harddrive to record even more TV as opposed to not ever hooking it
up to the phone line to let the TIVO people know what you are watching.

I am interested in using one for recording video from a camera instead of
using a VCR.  At $200, it looks hard to beat in terms of trying to kluge up
my own system.

Thanks!
Tom M.

ps. for anyone who is curious, a TIVO box is a 'pc' with embedded LINUX, a
hard drive, a modem, and a video encoder/decoder made to record TV when you
are not around plus a few other VCR-like features.

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2001\11\09@023350 by Marc Knight

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The documentation that comes with the Sony digital recorder says that it can
be used like a VCR without the TiVo service. The service gives the ability
to pick shows to record by name and to store them by name but, the recorder
itself is supposed to be able to record by time/channel. It's not a hack. It
is allowed. You buy a Digital Recorder from Sony you get the hardware to
record to video to the internal hard disk and play it back. When you
subscribe to TiVo, it becomes a TiVo box.

I never tried this myself but, the docs say it will work.

Your application should work

Thanx,
Marc

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2001\11\09@032552 by Nigel Goodwin

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In message <spam_OUT3.0.6.32.20011108194644.007ff7d0TakeThisOuTspampop.onemain.com>, Tom
Messenger <.....kristKILLspamspam@spam@THEGRID.NET> writes
>If anyone on the list has tried out a TIVO box, can you tell me whether any
>of it's features work at all WITHOUT a subscription? I've checked out many
>of the TIVO hack sites but they are mostly interested in how to add a
>second harddrive to record even more TV as opposed to not ever hooking it
>up to the phone line to let the TIVO people know what you are watching.
>
>I am interested in using one for recording video from a camera instead of
>using a VCR.  At $200, it looks hard to beat in terms of trying to kluge up
>my own system.

I've never actually seen one, as you probably know it's been somewhat of
a flop, but from what I've heard in the UK they do very little without a
subscription. Although I work for a TV shop we've never considered
selling them, although we do sell the new Sky+ satellite recorder box,
which is similar with a built-in 40Gb hard disk recorder - but this one
records the incoming digital data so the picture is identical to the
original, and you can record one program while you watch another (it has
two tuners, and comes complete with a 4 way LNB - of which two are
used). However, this wouldn't be of any use to you, as it can't record
analogue signals.

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2001\11\09@055612 by Dennis Noordsij

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On Friday 09 November 2001 08:40, you wrote:
> The documentation that comes with the Sony digital recorder says that it
> can be used like a VCR without the TiVo service. The service gives the
> ability to pick shows to record by name and to store them by name but, the
> recorder itself is supposed to be able to record by time/channel. It's not
> a hack. It is allowed. You buy a Digital Recorder from Sony you get the
> hardware to record to video to the internal hard disk and play it back.
> When you subscribe to TiVo, it becomes a TiVo box.
>
> I never tried this myself but, the docs say it will work.
>
> Your application should work

Yup, I seem to remember reading that. You can still program the times
yourself.

Go to http://www.slashdot.org, and do a search for tivo, look at the articles from
about a year ago, and browse through the comments. It has lots of people's
experiences and similar questions and answers.

Dennis

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2001\11\09@212804 by Marc Knight

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This sounds cool but, for us low tech people who still use cable...

TiVo is far from a flop. They are a very strong company in this poor
economy. They have over 250,000 paying customers. There are also TiVo look
alikes popping up like Microsoft's version. Much as I dislike Bill Gates'
company, I don't think he would involve himself in a technology that is a
flop!

I have had TiVo for almost a year now and I don't know how I ever lived
without it. I have a very short attension span (typical american ;-)) I'm
constantly saying "What did they say?" TiVo allows me to go back and find
out and then skip over the comercail to catch up. I also never miss my
favorite programs. TiVo records all my favorite shows no matter what channel
they come on or what time they're on. I get all of the reruns that I haven't
seen and the ones I have I simply erase.

Having TiVo is like having a DVD recorder instead of a VHS recorder. It's
random access instead of serial access. I get a menu of all of the programs
it has recorded and I can pick and choose among them and skip to my favorite
part or pick up from where I left off. When my son says "I want to watch
Scooby Doo" It's there in an instanty instead of fumbling around to find a
tape.

I can't say enough about TiVo. I'd rather have a TiVo box and a 9" TV than a
52" TV without it!

I suppose if I didn't have TiVo, I would spend more time playing with PICs
but, on the other hand, TiVo can record the program I want to watch while I
finish up my project and I can go watch any time it's convenient.

Thanx,
Marc


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2001\11\09@222904 by Pic_Micro

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Have you take a look at replaytv? Same idea but NO subscription or monthly
fee. Also with hacks to get the mpeg2 files.

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2001\11\09@224321 by Brandon Fosdick

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Marc Knight wrote:
> I can't say enough about TiVo. I'd rather have a TiVo box and a 9" TV than a
> 52" TV without it!

Long live Tivo!

I tried unplugging it for a day, just to see if I would miss it. I
lasted all of one show, then I had to have it back. Every new TV should
have Tivo built in.

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2001\11\09@225947 by Al Williams

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Love the TiVo. Without the subscription it is just a glorified VCR. You
can set the time/channel to record. You can also do the live "tricks"
(slow motion, freeze, rewind, etc.).

What I did was pay for the "lifetime" subscription. That makes it cost
as much as replay and then that unit is turned on "for ever". If you
sell the unit, the subscription goes with it (so it is the box's
lifetime, not yours :-).

What a great product. My complete review at
http://www.al-williams.com/wd5gnr/gadget.htm

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2001\11\10@070601 by Gerhard Fiedler

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At 21:17 11/09/2001 -0600, Pic_Micro wrote:
>Have you take a look at replaytv? Same idea but NO subscription or monthly
>fee. Also with hacks to get the mpeg2 files.

I don't understand much about these, but from a brief look it seems to me
that Replay is more intrusive. As it seems to me, TiVo recorders work fine
offline, i.e. without a TiVo subscription. (TiVo is not a brand of
recorders, there are "TiVo-enabled" recorders from a number of
manufacturers.) But a Replay recorder seems not work without an Internet
connection -- i.e. the Replay server collects data about every show you're
recording with a Replay recorder.

It also seems not clear what happens when your Internet connection is down.
From their FAQs it seems possible that the Replay recorder won't work at
all without a live Internet connection.

ge

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2001\11\10@124750 by Alan Brumley

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>alikes popping up like Microsoft's version. Much as I dislike Bill Gates'
>company, I don't think he would involve himself in a technology that is a
>flop!

Oh, how soon we forget about Microsoft Bob!

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2001\11\10@192434 by Herbert Graf

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> >alikes popping up like Microsoft's version. Much as I dislike Bill Gates'
> >company, I don't think he would involve himself in a technology that is a
> >flop!
>
> Oh, how soon we forget about Microsoft Bob!

       You know what, you beat me too it, I was right about to say that. To say
that Bill Gates would never involve himself in a technology that is a flop
is, and no insult intended, far from the truth. There was an article in a
recent computer magazine that detailed all of Mickeysoft's flops, there were
alot of them. Of course, when you have more money then God one naturally
becomes a little less careful about corporate choices, and flops such as Bob
are so tiny Bill didn't even notice! :) TTYL

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2001\11\11@221524 by Marc Knight

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No insult taken! :-) Bad example on my part!

But, TiVo is far from a flop. My mother-in-law who is so technically
challenged she threw the battery away from my cam-corder cuz it was dead,
owns one!

Wonderful technology. Now if I could just have TiVo radio. It's hard to
drive and pay attention to the traffic reports at the same time...

Marc
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