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'[OT]: Sea Salt?'
2002\05\06@081738 by Russell McMahon

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Enough information to make wonder, at least a little, if there is after all
a point in using "real" sea-salt.

       http://www.curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp


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I'm not a dedicated pursuer of all that is touted as pure, natural,
unrefined, organic etc BUT I like to maintain a watching brief
on the more far out ideas as they often enough have been the
source of what in due course comes to pass for orthodoxy.
Decided to do a quick search as the result of a discussion on
Radio Rhema. Google searching on sea-salt and refining
produces 900+ hits and this was the best of the few I looked
at. At least enough material to make you think. Concentration
of NaCl up from about 98% to 99.9% in the solids. If you look
at this site, search for "dirty brown" towards the bottom.
(have you ever had bought dirty brown table salt? :-))

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2002\05\07@065832 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Enough information to make wonder, at least a little,
>if there is after all a point in using "real" sea-salt.

>        http://www.curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp

yeah, just remember that it has been found that consumption of food of any
sort has a 100% mortality rate. :)

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2002\05\07@082023 by Jinx

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> >        http://www.curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp

Well-intentioned but exaggerations like

"naturally and properly sunshine-preserved sea salt is the
difference between life and death, health and illness,
social sanity and planetary panic"

don't do the cause any good - neither does the assumption
that normal-eating people don't get all the minerals they
need from other sources

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2002\05\07@101338 by Jon Baker

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> don't do the cause any good - neither does the assumption
> that normal-eating people don't get all the minerals they
> need from other sources

Yeah, My biology teacher used to lick his finger, wipe it on the wooden
bench in the lab and then lick it.. and say that he'd just had his RDA of
zinc.. and a bunch of other trace elements the body needs. I'm sure one of
these days he'll get his trace amount of something poisonous that some
school kid has spilt on the desk.. That'll teach him :)

Jon

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2002\05\07@113440 by Tom Messenger

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At 12:19 AM 5/8/02 +1200, Jinx wrote:

>Well-intentioned but exaggerations like
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>"naturally and properly sunshine-preserved sea salt is the
>difference between life and death, health and illness,
>social sanity and planetary panic"
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>don't do the cause any good - neither does the assumption
>that normal-eating people don't get all the minerals they
>need from other sources

Oh come, now, Jinx. What a disbelieving skeptic *you* are. Get with the
program. I bet you didn't even read down to the middle of the page wherein
this bit was written:

       The late French scientist Dr. Alexis Carrel
       kept a chicken heart alive for over 27 years
       by having the pulsating heart IN A SOLUTION
       OF SEA SALT, i.e. isotonic seawater.  Dr. Carrel
       voluntarily ended the experiment after a third
       of a century, having proven that living
       cells can have physical immortality.

Isn't that good enough proof for you of the wonderful health benefits of
seasalt? As for me, I've re-written my will to have *my* heart put into a
beaker of seawater upon my death (if not sooner).

While we are at it, a big THANKS to Russell for pointing out this wonderful
page.
Best regards,
Tom M.

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2002\05\07@113454 by Rick C.

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Was that "spilt" or "spit"?  :-)
Rick

Jon Baker wrote:

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2002\05\07@134820 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>        The late French scientist Dr. Alexis Carrel
>        kept a chicken heart alive for over 27 years
>        by having the pulsating heart IN A SOLUTION
>        OF SEA SALT, i.e. isotonic seawater.  Dr. Carrel
>        voluntarily ended the experiment after a third
>        of a century, having proven that living
>        cells can have physical immortality.

Was that the same Chicken Heart That Ate New York City?

Barry

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2002\05\07@135405 by Hazelwood Lyle

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Barry, I think your age is showing on that one. ;)
(Then again, so is mine.. Ouch!)

>Was that the same Chicken Heart That Ate New York City?

>Barry

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2002\05\07@135836 by Russell McMahon

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> While we are at it, a big THANKS to Russell for pointing out this
wonderful
> page.

You're welcome, I'm sure :-)
I must admit that when I skimmed it I seem to have missed all the good stuff
you guys are finding.

The point I most noted was the claim (claim) that the NaCl content in
seawater solids was around 98% and in refined salt it is about 99.9% - the
balance being made up by trace, and not so trace, elements which are removed
along the way.

As Jinx so kindly points out, odds are that one gets enough of most of this
from other sources. (When you have to rely on your salt intake to provide
trace nutrients you are probably in deep trouble).

While you are all at it, try searching  on "whole grain". My wife's job is
to rate the quality of medical research papers. She brings home interesting
papers of potential relevance to our longevity and health. It seems that
whole grain really does have demonstrable / statistically significant
effects on health compared with refined grain products (just like granny has
been trying to tell us all these years). Sprinkle it with sea salt before
eating and you never know ....




       RM

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2002\05\07@143819 by M. Adam Davis

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Barry Gershenfeld wrote:

>>       The late French scientist Dr. Alexis Carrel
>>       kept a chicken heart alive for over 27 years
>>       by having the pulsating heart IN A SOLUTION
>>       OF SEA SALT, i.e. isotonic seawater.  Dr. Carrel
>>       voluntarily ended the experiment after a third
>>       of a century, having proven that living
>>       cells can have physical immortality.
>>
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>Was that the same Chicken Heart That Ate New York City?
>
>Barry
>
I suspect he ended the experiment because another docter's chicken heart
did escape and ate NYC.  Either that or it was the same heart and he
said he voluntarily ended the experiment to cover up his dark evil
purposes.  Heaven only knows what kind of person I might be if I had a
30 year old chicken heart that would do my bidding!

-Adam

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2002\05\07@173838 by Jinx

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> Isn't that good enough proof for you of the wonderful health
> benefits of seasalt? As for me, I've re-written my will to have
> *my* heart put into a beaker of seawater upon my death
> (if not sooner).

We can arrange a confirmation trial of that experiment
right now. Um Dale, I didn't understand what you meant by
"cut down, not across". Can you show me please ? Y'know,
properly

(OK Tom, quietly, make your way to Dale's place with
your beaker of brine. If you get a move on he'll be right
for the plucking pretty soon)

As for the chicken heart in a beaker - was it pumping or
just "not dead" ? Salt has been known as a preservative
for thousands of years. And rats (poor little buggers) have
had their hearts preserved and functioning in nutrient
solution but I thought that was a recent breakthrough - I'm
sure one day we'll see heads-in-jars like in Futurama

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2002\05\07@221726 by Bob Barr

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On Tue, 7 May 2002 14:34:42 -0400, "M. Adam Davis" wrote:

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If this sea salt stuff is so darned good, why is he the *late* French
scientist? :=)


Regards, Bob

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2002\05\07@233835 by Jinx

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> If this sea salt stuff is so darned good, why is he the *late*
> French scientist? :=)

....or why did the pioneer of jogging drop dead of a heart
attack on the street whilst jogging ? And I think the doctor
who promulgated the high-fat high-protein no-carbs diet
has just keeled over with an MI

http://www.epinions.com/content_27782385284

Dr Wallach pushes the barrow in a more conservative,
and I'd have to say believable, fashion

"Trust Me, I'm A Doctor - Dead Doctors Don't Lie"

("A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only
advise his clients to plant vines" - Frank Lloyd Wright)

http://www.elementsofhealth.com/tomatowa.htm

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2002\05\07@235400 by Sean H. Breheny

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Could someone please fill me in? What is the origin of this story about a
"chicken heart" that ate NYC? A quick google search turned up other
references to it, but no explanation of its origin.

Thanks,

Sean


At 07:08 PM 5/7/02 -0700, you wrote:
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2002\05\08@012203 by Russell McMahon

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That's the famed Dr Atkins who you claim has recently had a heart attack..
Note that "keeled over" doesn't mean "died" here - it means "had a cardiac
arrest (for whatever reason) and spent a few days in hospital". For what
it's worth.this "explains" that it was a cardiac arrest but it wasn't an MI
he suffered. (The difference is significant if you survive. If you don't
survive it's less important).

       http://www.lowcarb.ca/articlesb/article341.html

A page that explains that the MI wasn't caused by his diet but by a virus
has vanished and the Google cached version makes no mention of it.
Conspiracy theorists please send $US100 in plain brown envelope to assist
our research fund.


> ....or why did the pioneer of jogging drop dead of a heart
> attack on the street whilst jogging ?

Not a very good statistical sample. Just think how bad he would have been if
he had neve rjogged :-).


       RM

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2002\05\08@025237 by Ray Gardiner

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Dr Wallach is very probably a quack.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colloidalminerals.html

>
>Dr Wallach pushes the barrow in a more conservative,
>and I'd have to say believable, fashion
>
>"Trust Me, I'm A Doctor - Dead Doctors Don't Lie"
>
>("A doctor can bury his mistakes, but an architect can only
>advise his clients to plant vines" - Frank Lloyd Wright)
>
Ray Gardiner .....rayKILLspamspam@spam@dsp.com.au
DSP Systems (a division of SPC-Ardmona Limited). [MMII]

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2002\05\08@025723 by Jinx

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>   http://www.lowcarb.ca/articlesb/article341.html

Hmmm. Much as I'm reluctant to allow the facts to get in
the way of a good ole-fashioned  rumour.......OK

> > ....or why did the pioneer of jogging drop dead of a heart
> > attack on the street whilst jogging ?
>
> Not a very good statistical sample.

It's excellent......all jogging pioneers were sampled

> Just think how bad he would have been if he
> had never jogged :-)

He'd be alive and well in a coronary care ward somewhere
bitching for a nurse to fetch a bed pan 'cos it's too far to walk

(btw your return address isn't to the list again)

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2002\05\08@030158 by Jinx

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> Dr Wallach is very probably a quack.

"Wallach has a down-home manner and is a compelling speaker"

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colloidalminerals.html

and convincing too - but who recognises a con man
until after the fact ?

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2002\05\08@062347 by Lyle Hazelwood

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The others have covered the "Strange Science" topics that this
thread has wandered through. But to my own knowledge, the
originator of the phrase
"The Chicken Heart that ate New York City" was
Bill Cosby, from track 5 of the album "Wonderfulness" recorded
in May of 1966.
Very funny stuff.

Lyle

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