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2004\01\12@141411 by Tal

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Hi All

Are you all getting spam from strangers offering movies,DVD's,and so on?
Is it possible it coming from someone on the piclist? I can tell you that
I'm not using my private email address to register any sites except the
piclist (for other sites I have a decoy address) so the only way I get this
annoying emails is from the list. each day I get many of it and I'm really
mad.
Can't we do something about that?????????

Regards

Tal

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2004\01\12@151642 by Gaston Gagnon

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Tal wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Are you all getting spam from strangers offering movies,DVD's,and so on?
> Is it possible it coming from someone on the piclist? I can tell you that
> I'm not using my private email address to register any sites except the
> piclist (for other sites I have a decoy address) so the only way I get this
> annoying emails is from the list. each day I get many of it and I'm really
> mad.
> Can't we do something about that?????????
>
> Regards
>
> Tal

You may be please to see how many times your name pops up trough a
search for the keywords: tal piclist
at: http://groups.google.com/

Gaston

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2004\01\12@183734 by Jake Anderson

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you have a fairly simple mail address
its probbly just been guessed

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2004\01\12@214817 by amg amg

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While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand the
significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?

Aaron

> Hi All
>
> Are you all getting spam from strangers offering movies,DVD's,and so
on?
> Is it possible it coming from someone on the piclist? I can tell
> you that I'm not using my private email address to register any sites
> except the piclist (for other sites I have a decoy address) so the only
way I
> get this annoying emails is from the list. each day I get many of it
and
> I'm really mad.  Can't we do something about that?????????
>
> Regards
>
> Tal

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2004\01\12@220621 by Don Taylor

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, amg amg wrote:
> While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
> whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
> isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand the
> significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?

There is a new class of spam filters that use the probabilities of words
being adjacent to each other.

So there is a new class of spam that generates sometimes almost readable
text, but sometimes just jumbled words, trying to confuse the filter
into thinking that this must not be spam

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2004\01\12@224804 by Dan Oelke

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This is because many of the newer spam filters use a technique based on
Bayesian filters.  They analyze the words that are in the message.  Certain
words tend to show up in spam and certain words tend not to.  How many of
each of these types of words, their ratio to each other, and combinations
of words all play into this detection.  Lots of fuzzy matching going on
with it.

So the whole dictionary of bizarre words is just a technique that they are
using to try and confuse these types of spam filters.

Dan

At 09:50 PM 1/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
>whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
>isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand the
>significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?

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2004\01\12@233032 by Jinx

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> There is a new class of spam filters that use the probabilities of words
> being adjacent to each other.
>
> So there is a new class of spam that generates sometimes almost
> readable text, but sometimes just jumbled words, trying to confuse
> the filter into thinking that this must not be spam

I have OE filters to dump things like the Nigerians and Viagra spam.
The Nigerians don't seem to have cottoned on and still send mail
which is very easily filterable (usually has URGENT or Million US
Dollars in it), but product spam often has the text broken up. For
example Vi,a-gr^a. Obvious what the spam is to a human. One that
came yesterday, more along the lines of the OP's observation. Not
exactly enticing is it ? Fortunately still very low levels so not a major
PITA but mildly annoying that spammers are still even bothering

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2004\01\13@012137 by Nate Duehr

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On Monday, Jan 12, 2004, at 19:50 America/Denver, amg amg wrote:

> While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
> whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
> isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand
> the
> significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?

They are an attempt to confuse Baysian filters that "learn"
mathematically what spam "looks" like.

(hmm, did I spell that right?)

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2004\01\13@032418 by Robert Soubie

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:13:09 +0200, Tal wrote on [OT]: SPAM,
SPAM all over again...:

>Are you all getting spam from strangers offering movies,DVD's,and so on?
>Is it possible it coming from someone on the piclist? I can tell you that
>I'm not using my private email address to register any sites except the
>piclist (for other sites I have a decoy address) so the only way I get this
>annoying emails is from the list. each day I get many of it and I'm really
>mad.
>Can't we do something about that?????????

YES! Goto http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ and install
POPFile, and spam and viruses will soon be a bad souvenir;
you need 2 or 3 days in order to train the program.

Make sure to configure as follows:

Subject line modification:              Off (subject lines untouched)
X-Text-Classification Header: On  X-POPFile-Link Header:                          On

Install a filter in outlook (or whatever you use) that looks
for "X-Text-Classification Header: Spam" in the headers and
if found sends the message to a spam folder (so you can
check what the program does) or the bit bucket (when you are
confident it works).

That program is free.

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2004\01\13@091023 by Tim ODriscoll
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, amg amg wrote:
> While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
> whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
> isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand the
> significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?

I find that spams with the irrelevant words in them often have an html
attachment with the proper spam in, or an embedded picture with the spam.

Failing that, it could be a mail with an attached virus, but a mailserver
along the way has removed the attachment after scanning it.

Cheers,

Tim

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2004\01\13@202142 by Jim Korman

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Nate Duehr wrote:

> On Monday, Jan 12, 2004, at 19:50 America/Denver, amg amg wrote:
>
>> While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
>> whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
>> isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand
>> the
>> significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?
>
>
> They are an attempt to confuse Baysian filters that "learn"
> mathematically what spam "looks" like.
>
What I don't understand is, If they have to go to that much

trouble to get past my SPAM filter, do they really think
that I'm going to read it?

Jim

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2004\01\13@202807 by David VanHorn

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At 07:20 PM 1/13/2004 -0600, Jim Korman wrote:

>Nate Duehr wrote:
>
>>On Monday, Jan 12, 2004, at 19:50 America/Denver, amg amg wrote:
>>
>>>While we're on the subject of Spam, is anybody else getting spam with a
>>>whole string of seemingly unrelated words?  The spam I'm thinking of
>>>isn't selling/pushing anything and it bugs me that I don't understand
>>>the
>>>significance of the assortment of words.  Anybody care to enlighten me?
>>
>>
>>They are an attempt to confuse Baysian filters that "learn"
>>mathematically what spam "looks" like.
>What I don't understand is, If they have to go to that much
>
>trouble to get past my SPAM filter, do they really think
>that I'm going to read it?


I've been getting a bunch lately, that have bunches of five letter groups, like crypto output.  I don't see the point, since nobody can read it anyway.

Interesting development.

I also get "diet spam" with nothing in the body at all.

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2004\01\13@203217 by John J. McDonough

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> What I don't understand is, If they have to go to that much
> trouble to get past my SPAM filter, do they really think
> that I'm going to read it?

Doesn't matter.  Most likely, there is an HTML message buried in there,
which you didn't see since you had HTML turned off in your email to avoid
exactly this thing.  Now, that HTML was probably nothing more than a single
picture of the ad, stored on their server so your spam filter didn't get it.
The IMG tag in that message wasn't any ordinary IMG tag.  It probably had
some long number appended.  Their server saw that number and was able to
match it up with the email address they sent it to.

Now, they can collect the nickel from the company who paid them to
advertise, because they now have "proof" that you read it, and they also
have a known valid email address that they can sell.  So they make money
both ways.

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2004\01\13@213146 by Josh Koffman

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Anyone have any good reccomendations for a spamfilter for a linux
system? I run my own mailserver, and it would be nice if I could install
some easy to maintain system that would work for all my mail accounts.

As an aside, tonight I started getting spam at an outrageous rate about
"Your account Baldwin". Man is that annoying. I think I got it by adding
it to hosts.deny.

We'll see.

Josh
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> YES! Goto http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ and install
> POPFile, and spam and viruses will soon be a bad souvenir;
> you need 2 or 3 days in order to train the program.

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2004\01\13@215422 by Jinx

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> As an aside, tonight I started getting spam at an outrageous
> rate about "Your account Baldwin". Man is that annoying. I think
> I got it by adding it to hosts.deny.
>
> We'll see.
>
> Josh

I routinely clean out the family's PC's of applications that
shouldna oughta be there, mostly picked up while surfing
or co-installed at the same time as a legitimate program

http://www.spywareguide.com/

is a very good resource for identifying and tips on removing
unwanted spyware. Basically spyware collects information
unseen, unlike a virus which often makes its presence very
definitely apparent, and it's possible that your e-mail address
is being transmitted to the web by such a program

http://www.cexx.org/adware.htm is also worth a look

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2004\01\14@025430 by Robert Soubie

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:26:50 -0500, David VanHorn wrote on
Re: [OT]: SPAM, SPAM all over again...:

>I also get "diet spam" with nothing in the body at all.

8-) A diet is a diet!

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2004\01\14@030051 by Robert Soubie

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:30:23 -0500, Josh Koffman wrote on
Re: [OT]: SPAM, SPAM all over again...:

>Anyone have any good reccomendations for a spamfilter for a linux
>system? I run my own mailserver, and it would be nice if I could install
>some easy to maintain system that would work for all my mail accounts.

Popfile has linux versions.


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