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'[OT]: Rockets banned?'
2001\09\19@083449 by Roman Black

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Sean H. Breheny wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> Since I know that there are a fair number of you who are interested in
> model or high-power rocketry, I thought I'd run this past you. My local NAR
> club just sent this out. It is somewhat understandable that the FAA would
> temporarily ban high-power rockets, but I fail to see how anyone could
> really make a usable projectile weapon from an A or B class model rocket
> engine, that would be any better than a rifle.
>
> Comments? Anyone else heard this?
>
> I put this under EE rather than OT because the recent consensus is that EE
> is for all technical/remotely EE connected topics.


Hmm. This is what I feared all along. The rest of
the "western" countries treat their citizens like
prisoners, with very little "right" to do anything
that might be a possible threat to the powers that
be.

My fear was that the USA would use these recent events
to clamp down on guns, weapons, rights etc etc to
the point that the other countries have already
reached. In most countries rockets are already
outlawed, and no our K-marts don't sell guns.

In Australia we recently saw the Port Arthur massacre,
with enough public support the government simply
stepped in and removed all the guns from the people.
This is happening now to you in the USA. Rockets today,
pistols tomorrow, rifles soon after.

The reality is that these recent events weren't
commited with rockets or pistols, but low-tech box
knives. Now you see them taking rockets etc away,
we've seen it here and in the UK, now you people
are going to see it. I'm afraid the "Land of the
free" is soon going to follow down the same ugly
path with all the power finally distributed to the
government and banks.

Sorry for the rant, at least I changed it to OT??
:o)
-Roman

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2001\09\19@090632 by Russell McMahon

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> > Since I know that there are a fair number of you who are interested in
> > model or high-power rocketry, I thought I'd run this past you. My local
NAR
> > club just sent this out. It is somewhat understandable that the FAA
would
> > temporarily ban high-power rockets, but I fail to see how anyone could
> > really make a usable projectile weapon from an A or B class model rocket
> > engine, that would be any better than a rifle.
> >
> > Comments? Anyone else heard this?

Not only rockets but light aircraft of all types as well..
Here's the official position and someone else's comments.
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       RM

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The following is from the EAA website (http://www.eaa.org):

"Currently, all national airspace is under the control of national security
authorities, not FAA or the U.S. Department of Transportation. EAA has been
advised that this is because a viable threat remains from unmonitored small
and large aircraft operations, including ultralights. FAA and DOT are in the
process of presenting a plan to national security officials to return VFR
operations to our nation's airspace. An exact timetable for such a
resumption has not yet been established."

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Only IFR (instrument flights) that includes the airlines can use the
airspace (no pop-up and file IFR is allowed).  Ultralights are mentioned
here because they are not considered aircraft, but vehicles (see FAR Part
103.7, which exempts them from any type of certification, experimental or
otherwise).  Some ultralight pilots have been arrested and their air
"vehicles" have been confiscated because they thought this order did not
apply to them since they are not considered "aircraft" (but they were using
the airspace).

My personal interpretation of all this, is that all FAA waivers are probably
not currently valid as national security authorities have control over the
airspace, not the FAA or DOT and the airspace (that rockets fly in) are
closed to all but the afore mentioned IFR flights.

Go to http://www.eaa.org/news/notam.html or http://www.aopa.org for the complete
text of the official
order and information on other aspects of when other categories of the air
space will open up, i.e. back to the status prior to Sept. 11th.

Regards,
Bruce E. Watson

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2001\09\19@103902 by Douglas Butler

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In our area (Cape Cod, Mass, USA) they usually use small helicopters to
harvest the cranberries without crushing the bogs.  Without those
choppers the harvest will have to be done by hand carried buckets like
it was way back when.  They are considering letting the school kids out
for the harvest!

I expect this will affect agriculture all over the country.

The ripples continue to spread...

Sherpa Doug

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2001\09\20@034935 by Graeme Zimmer

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> In Australia we recently saw the Port Arthur massacre,
> with enough public support the government simply
> stepped in and removed all the guns from the people.

Not ALL the guns unfortunately.

We can only hope....

.......................... Zim

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2001\09\20@154412 by Peter L. Peres

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I think that it makes sense to ban some firearms and small rockets (with
unannounced launches) when the whole country's doppler early warning
systems are listening for doppler from incoming missiles. Maybe I am
exaggerating but with the radar equation being what it is maybe a backyard
estes rocket in some tiny side lobe could appear as a ICBM for a brief
moment of time on some screen or other. I suspect that these things will
mark anything moving faster than sound as a target no matter what.

I also think that it makes sense to remove the restriction asap
thereafter.

Peter

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2001\09\20@160647 by Jim

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I wouldn't want to be within site of one
of those large orange rotating ASR-8 or ASR-9
airport surveilance RADARs when launching
a small rocket - otherwise here in the US
there shouldn't be any problem. The Doppler
'shift' component will be negligible going
downrange (horizontal direction) - unless
the wind picks up or your rocket goes
horizontal in flight!

Jim

PS. Peter, for us our (distant) 'early warning
system' (now called "North Warning System or NWS)
is located in Canada/Alaska/Arctic Circle area.

Here in the continental states the ASR/ARSR system
operated by the FAA serves the duty of watching
our skies for aircraft. Then, of course, with this
current 'lock-down' there are AWACS aircraft also
watching some skies.



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2001\09\20@161522 by dale

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> Here in the continental states the ASR/ARSR system
> operated by the FAA serves the duty of watching
> our skies for aircraft. Then, of course, with this
> current 'lock-down' there are AWACS aircraft also
> watching some skies.

Speaking of the supposed "lock-down"...  I live very close to MLE (MIllard Airport) and there have been noncommercial flights out of there since last night.  Saw a 172 on its climb out while driving back from lunch, it was good to see them flying again.  I guess the ban is lifted.  As soon as we're done moving to our new house -- regrettably much farther from the airport -- I hope to get back up for a couple of hours myself.

Dale

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