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'[OT]: Ripping the Piclist site'
2002\08\05@134842 by Dominic Stratten

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Don't panic !!!!!!!!!!! I'm not planning on doing it. This question may have been asked before but here goes .....

Can you / Have you / Would you be able to archive the data from PICLIST onto a CD and maybe sell it for a nominal amount. I use the search facility a bit and many of my questions are answered by older posts. It could be a revenue source for Piclist and updates could be sent out quaterly for a nominal fee.

Just an idea but it could save a lot of bandwidth and speed things up for locally searching for solutions to problems.

Cheers

Dominic

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2002\08\05@173413 by jamesnewton

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There is no hope of selling the site in return for enough money to pay the
monthly bill for the damn thing. I just don't want people to rip the site
because it costs me more money and prevents people from getting to what they
want. See the following page for details:
http://www.piclist.com/dontripthissite.htm

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2002\08\05@232240 by M. Adam Davis

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The only real obstacle to doing this are legal issues.

In theory once a person posts a message to the list they are essentially
giving it up to the public domain, and removing any exclusive copyright
they had on their message unless they prohibit (through email headers
and other means) archiving of their messages.

However, it could be legally argued that a non-technically savvy person
didn't understand this principle and would challange the distributor of
such a compilation after they've already started distribution, perhaps
even incurring charges above and beyond legal fees and recall fees.

Not to mention that it's being hosted graciously by MIT, and is well
served already by three other online archives.

I would suggest you put out an OT message asking if anyone has a semi or
complete archive you can get by downloading.

Alternately, research the list server commands (instead of subscribe
piclist, type help).  IIRC, the list server keeps an archive of a
certian length and it may well be that you can get a large portion of
the list from there.

-Adam

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2002\08\05@233513 by Byron A Jeff

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On Mon, Aug 05, 2002 at 11:21:14PM -0400, M. Adam Davis wrote:
> The only real obstacle to doing this are legal issues.
>
> In theory once a person posts a message to the list they are essentially
> giving it up to the public domain, and removing any exclusive copyright
> they had on their message unless they prohibit (through email headers
> and other means) archiving of their messages.

I'd sure like to see that preceedent. My understanding was that all material
is copyrighted unless explicitly revoked.

Legally it's a non issue as long as no one claims infringment. But AFAIK
(and of course IANAL) even if archived it's still copyrighted.

BAJ

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2002\08\06@023549 by Wouter van Ooijen

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> > In theory once a person posts a message to the list they
> are essentially
> > giving it up to the public domain, and removing any
> exclusive copyright
> > they had on their message unless they prohibit (through
> email headers
> > and other means) archiving of their messages.
>
> I'd sure like to see that preceedent. My understanding was
> that all material
> is copyrighted unless explicitly revoked.

I think you are right. Copyright is a form-free right (no special
measures, formats, phrases etc. needed), which comes into existence at
the very momement a text (or the like) is made public. Patents on the
other hand are killed by 'prior knowldedge', which includes (but is not
limited to) all prior publications. AFAIK there is no way to 'remove' a
copyright, but you can achieve the same effect by giving an appropriate
license (read the various free license texts to see how this can be
formulated).

Wouter van Ooijen

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2002\08\06@110548 by M. Adam Davis

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I should have stated it differently -
They are not yielding copyright, but they are granting license to the
members of the list and any other recipient to use the message in a
multitude of ways.

But IANAL, this is what I've read elsewhere.

-Adam

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