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2000\11\17@065114 by Russell McMahon

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From: Ken and Louise Mardle <spam_OUTlouisemTakeThisOuTspamadr.co.nz>


>Russell,
>
>I think it may be a rather long bow to draw to apply Heisenberg's principle
>to empty space containing nothing and then use it to explain the necessity
>for the spontaneous appearance of matter and anti-matter such that you
can't
>ever tell whether it contains nothing not moving or not.


The bow may be long but I believe I accurately albeit simplistically reflect
current thinking . Considering matter as just another form of energy makes
it more inevitable. If HUP forbids the oprecise measurement of energy levels
then zero energy is a very precise level. The interim generation of energy
(with an average zero value) is required in order for Nature to satisfy the
HUP. Long term nobody notices.

>This seems as dumb as the idea of -ve absolute temperature  - apparently
>this is necessary in some models to allow for the possibility of
spontaneous
>creation of particles which you don't know about when all the particles you
>do know about are at absolute zero  - the argument goes that the particles
>you do know about must actually be at a -ve absolute temperature because
the
>system is "warmed up" by the particles you don't (and can't) know about).


Oh dear! This is quite near the principle I used to generate the shielding
material that I said to not even ask about in the low solar orbit lasers I
mentioned :-). (Also Adiabatic Demagnetisation in a triple field magnetic
field (aka Fairbanks double field with 6th power intensity fall off)  and
quantum tunneling through absolute zero but lets not start on this :-) )(No,
that part is NOT (wholly) based on real science).

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and you don't like quantum foam?


RM

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2000\11\17@174538 by Bob Ammerman

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> >Einstein put it better  - "Not everything that counts can be counted, and
> >not everything that can be counted counts".
> >
> >Or maybe Werner Von Braun  - "Basic research is what I'm doing when I
don't
> >know what I'm doing".  Actually I think he stole this from Einstien who
> >said: "If we knew what we were doing it wouldn't be called research,
would


Um, if it has never been done before, why is it called REsearch?

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2000\11\17@174911 by Tim Hamel

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In a message dated 11/17/00 2:48:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
.....RAMMERMANKILLspamspam.....PRODIGY.NET writes:


> > >Einstein put it better  - "Not everything that counts can be counted, and
> > >not everything that can be counted counts".
>

I could've sworn I heard Florida's Secretary of State use that quote the
other day <vbg>

-Tim H.

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2000\11\17@180351 by Morgan Olsson

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Bob Ammerman wrote:

>Um, if it has never been done before, why is it called REsearch?

Good one :)

In some connection: I am researching to install a fire alarm here...
Can some native english speaker tell me the difference between flammable and inflammable ?

It sounds to be opposite but from what I have read it seem to mean the same??

REgards   ... um... wonder what gards are...  ;)
/Morgan

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2000\11\17@181428 by Stephen B Webb

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> In some connection: I am researching to install a fire alarm here...
> Can some native english speaker tell me the difference between flammable and inflammable ?
>
> It sounds to be opposite but from what I have read it seem to mean the same??

Yes, they mean the same thing.

Inflammable is an older word.  They "made" a new word, flammable, to avoid
confusion from warning messages on trucks (carrying gasoline, for
instance) fearing that people may be confused and think that inflammable
meant not flammable.  (as the "in" prefix tends to mean)

At any rate, they both mean the same things.  It's pretty stupid if you
ask me :)

-Steve

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2000\11\17@182511 by David VanHorn

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At 12:09 AM 11/18/00 +0100, Morgan Olsson wrote:
>Bob Ammerman wrote:
>
>>Um, if it has never been done before, why is it called REsearch?
>
>Good one :)

Cause it's taken from Italian..

>In some connection: I am researching to install a fire alarm here...
>Can some native english speaker tell me the difference between flammable and
inflammable ?
>
>It sounds to be opposite but from what I have read it seem to mean the same??

From
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C003/0126.html


Should you be careful with a solvent that s inflammable? Absolutely. The
trouble with flammable and inflammable is that they mean the same thing. The
prefix in- is not the Latin negative prefix in-, which is related to the
English
un- and appears in such words as indecent and inglorious. The in- in
inflammable
is an intensive prefix that is derived from the Latin preposition in. This
prefix also appears in the word enflame. But many people are ignorant of all
this and conclude that, since flammable means  combustible,  inflammable must
mean  not flammable  or  incombustible.  Therefore, for clarity s sake, you
should use only flammable to give warnings.

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2000\11\17@224223 by Jinx

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> Can some native english speaker tell me the difference between flammable
> and inflammable ?
>
> It sounds to be opposite but from what I have read it seem to mean the
same??
>
> REgards   ... um... wonder what gards are...  ;)
> /Morgan

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cellis/antagonym.html

Hmmm, now why do people say English is so hard to learn ?

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