Post by thread:[OT]: Protel or Orcad ?

part 0 44 bytes his is a multi-part message in MIME format. part 1 1615 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=koi8-r (decoded quoted-printable) ACCEL EDA - Legendary Tango and P-CAD, now for windows - ask me more for availability on my spam_OUTmpavlicaTakeThisOuTptt.yu email Javier Grijalba wrote: > Hi > Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you recommend for designing PCB�s ? > I use Orcad 9 for simulations, but it crashes very often !! > I want to choose one and be sure I made the right choice !! > Regards > Javier > > {Original Message removed} part 2 201 bytes content-type:text/x-vcard; charset=koi8-r; (decoded 7bit) begin:vcard n:Pavlica;Milan x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SuperSonic Systems adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:.....mpavlicaKILLspam@spam@ptt.yu title:Chief fn:Milan Pavlica end:vcard part 3 129 bytes -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

> From: "Ramana" <ramanabvKILLspamDANLAWINC.COM> Hi, I have used PCAD quite some time back and I like PCAD. I have tried evaluation model of Protel and it looks very good especially for mulitple developers and seems to give an entire project development solution. I dont like ORCAD. I would also like some recomendation since I also have to buy one of these. rgds ramana I've been going through a similar process lately and I think we'll probably opt for Eagle. There is a board-size limited demo which can be downloaded from http://www.cadsoft.de. There's also a large number of libraries and user-contributed add-ins available on the site. Others we looked at were PADS from http://www.pads.com, Ultiboard http://www.ultiboard.com and WinDraft/WinBoard from http://www.ivex.com. We concluded that there a large numbers of packages out there but many of them are either underpowered hobbyist products or well featured but over-specified for our needs. Some were just plain over-priced. Oh yes, I forgot to mention Mentor. If you work for a money-no-object corporation then Mentor Graphics do some very nice software suites that costs more than my car did. http://www.mentorg.com For our modest needs Eagle looks like the best compromise, but I'd be keen to know what else you find as we've not made a final purchase decision yet. . -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

I've been using the products from Advanced Microcomputer Systems since they first came out a LONG time ago (the schematic capture software was then called Cell). Before AMS, I used software from Dasoft of Berkeley, CA on a Cromemco CP/M system. Anyway, I'm currently using AMS's DOS version of EZ-LOGIC and EZ-BOARD. It works very well for my purposes, though I wish it did thermal relief on copper flows. They have a new Windoze version that looks nice (though it's the same look and feel of the DOS version, and the data files are compatible). I'm currently doing a project where we have to trace out an old board where there's no documentation (what a pain! but the pay is good...). We are keying the netlist in using a text editor, adding parts descriptions, then calling it the "update list". EZ-BOARD then generates an unplaced board where all pins know their netnames. The parts can be dragged around to the right place, a routing schedule generated (a rats nest of the routing). As the traces are run, they are removed from the routing schedule. Have a look at the demo at http://www.advancedmsinc.com/ . Harold On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:03:37 +0100 Andy Howard <.....musicaKILLspam.....UKONLINE.CO.UK> writes: {Quote hidden}> > From: "Ramana" <EraseMEramanabvspam_OUTTakeThisOuTDANLAWINC.COM> > Hi, > I have used PCAD quite some time back and I like PCAD. I have tried > evaluation model of Protel and it looks very good especially for > mulitple developers and seems to give an entire project development > solution. I dont like ORCAD. > I would also like some recomendation since I also have to buy one of > these. > rgds > ramana > > > > I've been going through a similar process lately and I think we'll > probably > opt for Eagle. There is a board-size limited demo which can be > downloaded > from http://www.cadsoft.de. There's also a large number of libraries and > user-contributed add-ins available on the site. > > Others we looked at were PADS from http://www.pads.com, Ultiboard > http://www.ultiboard.com > and WinDraft/WinBoard from http://www.ivex.com. > > We concluded that there a large numbers of packages out there but > many of > them are either underpowered hobbyist products or well featured but > over-specified for our needs. Some were just plain over-priced. > > Oh yes, I forgot to mention Mentor. If you work for a > money-no-object > corporation then Mentor Graphics do some very nice software suites > that > costs more than my car did. http://www.mentorg.com > > For our modest needs Eagle looks like the best compromise, but I'd > be keen > to know what else you find as we've not made a final purchase > decision yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: dl.http://www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Javier Grijalba wrote: > Hi > Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you recommend for designing PCB´s ? Depends on wich program you are familierized with... For example I've made sch's with Orcad 4 and PCB's with Tango. The new versions of Orcad ( under windows ) are not much better than the oldest but some inconvenients like automatic movements of routes with components probably are solved now. Except you need about 900Mbyte of HD, the newest Orcad tool's don't inspire me too much confidence. There is also a limited version of Eagle CAD who look's nice and eat small PC resources. Many guys from piclist use this CAD. So choose what you want... Vasile -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements

>Hi >Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you >recommend for designing PCB4s ? Hi, I evaluated end of 1998 some packages from low cost like Eagle to professional systems Protel,Pads,PCad. Everything depend on what type of PCB you need to design. Protel 98: crashes on my P100 with 64MB all the time and I didn't know why... Was out. Pads: this is very good tool. But you pay for every extension module, like Dxf, extension design rules etc. Base version has only 1600 connections. But it has included Specctra, what may be a plus. PCad: the same functionality like Pads, but I think for better price. Base version has unlimited connections, dxf export, splitted power planes, online DRC and what Pads call extended design rules. Eagle: best low cost solution when you don't need more professionalism. Andrej ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements

part 0 44 bytes his is a multi-part message in MIME format. part 1 1347 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset=koi8-r (decoded 7bit) ACCEL EDA is the best! Andy Jancura wrote: {Quote hidden}> >Hi > >Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you > >recommend for designing PCB4s ? > > Hi, > > I evaluated end of 1998 some packages from low cost like Eagle to > professional systems Protel,Pads,PCad. Everything depend on what type of PCB > you need to design. > > Protel 98: crashes on my P100 with 64MB all the time and I didn't know > why... Was out. > > Pads: this is very good tool. But you pay for every extension module, like > Dxf, extension design rules etc. Base version has only 1600 connections. But > it has included Specctra, what may be a plus. > > PCad: the same functionality like Pads, but I think for better price. Base > version has unlimited connections, dxf export, splitted power planes, online > DRC and what Pads call extended design rules. > > Eagle: best low cost solution when you don't need more professionalism. > > Andrej > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements part 2 201 bytes content-type:text/x-vcard; charset=koi8-r; (decoded 7bit) begin:vcard n:Pavlica;Milan x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SuperSonic Systems adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:@spam@mpavlicaKILLspamptt.yu title:Chief fn:Milan Pavlica end:vcard part 3 144 bytes -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements

FWIW, If you already use the schematic entry on OrCAD 9, you would be better off to stick with OrCAD. I've been using it since 7.1 and it has certainly gotten better - dare I say, "good"? Early on in release 9 I also had a lot of crashes. It turns out that OrCAD was very finicky about my video driver. I changed to a Viper V770, and 95% of my crashes went away. I can't offer any opion on Protel. Good luck with your choice, Tim Crist Tritronics >Hi >Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you recommend for designing PCB4s ? >I use Orcad 9 for simulations, but it crashes very often !! >I want to choose one and be sure I made the right choice !! >Regards >Javier -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements

Javier, using orcad even 9 if you copy any part and paste it in same page or any page it will duplicate the part without changing the part designator that means you have 2 same parts in the schematic if the schematic is big you may miss that and your net list will make no sense what a shame to orcad. I even told them about this but I guess they do not care. Andre > FWIW, > > If you already use the schematic entry on OrCAD 9, you would be better off > to stick with OrCAD. I've been using it since 7.1 and it has certainly > gotten better - dare I say, "good"? Early on in release 9 I also had a lot > of crashes. It turns out that OrCAD was very finicky about my video driver. > I changed to a Viper V770, and 95% of my crashes went away. > > I can't offer any opion on Protel. > > Good luck with your choice, > > Tim Crist > Tritronics > >Hi > >Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you recommend for designing PCB4s {Quote hidden}> ? > >I use Orcad 9 for simulations, but it crashes very often !! > >I want to choose one and be sure I made the right choice !! > >Regards > >Javier > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements > -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andre Abelian [SMTP:KILLspamengelecKILLspamEARTHLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, 15 August 2000 4:34 > To: RemoveMEPICLISTTakeThisOuTMITVMA.MIT.EDU > Subject: Re: [OT]: Protel or Orcad ? > > Javier, > > using orcad even 9 if you copy any part and paste it in same page or any > page > it will duplicate the part without changing the part designator that > means you have 2 same parts in the schematic if the schematic is big you > may > miss that and your net list will make no sense what a shame to orcad. > I even told them about this but I guess they do not care. > > Andre > To fix this you anotate with all part references set to "?", then do an unconditional annotate, and all fixed. ORCAD is designed to force you to PICK "Approved" parts not copy from the data base. As for which is best? I agree with others on the list that ORCAD schematic capture is great, yes there was some trobles in 9.0, with attempting to drag connection dots, but this has been fixed and 9.1 has not crashed under schematic yet. As for PCB, well... If you have been using the windoz version of ORCAD then stick with it, if you have been using the DOS version and are looking to update, then take a look at the entire field Dennis {Quote hidden}> > FWIW, > > > > If you already use the schematic entry on OrCAD 9, you would be > better off > > to stick with OrCAD. I've been using it since 7.1 and it has certainly > > gotten better - dare I say, "good"? Early on in release 9 I also had a > lot > > of crashes. It turns out that OrCAD was very finicky about my video > driver. > > I changed to a Viper V770, and 95% of my crashes went away. > > > > I can't offer any opion on Protel. > > > > Good luck with your choice, > > > > Tim Crist > > Tritronics > > >Hi > > >Wich EDA (Protel, Orcad or any other) do you recommend for designing > PCB4s > > ? > > >I use Orcad 9 for simulations, but it crashes very often !! > > >I want to choose one and be sure I made the right choice !! > > >Regards > > >Javier > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > > [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements > > > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: > [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]: PIC only [EE]: engineering [OT]: off topic [AD]: advertisements

Harold Hallikainen wrote: > > I've been using the products from Advanced Microcomputer Systems since > they first came out a LONG time ago (the schematic capture software was > then called Cell). Before AMS, I used software from Dasoft of Berkeley, > CA on a Cromemco CP/M system. Cool! I thought I was the only Dasoft user alive. Let's see...I remember burning a new character generator eprom on the Altair to make beveled corners appear on the screen. Damn. Those WERE the days. theyed send out source code for chunks of the program so you could screw around with it all night. Patches came about every day. Some of my code got into their release (yet another claim to fame ;-)) That was when hacking was a good thing. Super VGA is nice, PCI is nice, PIII is nice, PICs are cute, but sometimes you just gotta have an 8080 and switches and lights and punched tape and 8" floppies. I miss those days. P. -- Phillip M. Vogel, President | "It's not what you've been taught, Bartal Design Group, Inc. | it's what you've learned." (me) 318 Marlboro Road | +1-201-567-1343 FAX:+1-201-568-2891 Englewood, NJ 07631 USA | spamBeGonephillipspamBeGonebartal.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:52:32 -0400 Phillip Vogel <TakeThisOuTphillipEraseMEspam_OUTBARTAL.COM> writes: > > Cool! I thought I was the only Dasoft user alive. Let's see...I > remember > burning a new character generator eprom on the Altair to make > beveled corners > appear on the screen. Damn. Those WERE the days. theyed send out > source code > for chunks of the program so you could screw around with it all > night. Patches > came about every day. Some of my code got into their release (yet > another > claim to fame ;-)) That was when hacking was a good thing. Super VGA > is nice, > PCI is nice, PIII is nice, PICs are cute, but sometimes you just > gotta have an > 8080 and switches and lights and punched tape and 8" floppies. I > miss those > days. When I sold the assets of my company several years ago, the new owner dumped the old Cromemco. Let's see, I had a Heath H-19 terminal on it, a 4 MHz Z80, 128K or RAM (two S-100 boards), two 8 inch floppies and two 5.25 inch floppies. I paid $3,000 for it without the 8 inch floppies. I had to add the 8" floppies since that was the way CP/M code was distributed. When I bought the machine, I also got C-DOS (Cromemco's version of CP/M), Basic, Pascal, Fortran, Cobol, RATFOR, and a few other languages. I bought Word Star and a daisy wheel printer (another ton of money - and a ton of printer). This was my first computer. Prior to it, I had been taping up boards by hand on a light table. My products were based on the MC6802, so I used a home built 300 bps modem to connect with the Source timesharing. I edited my code online, ran their cross assembler, let the modem drive my Sunrise Electroncs ZAP 80 EPROM programmer (another box that was something like $2,000 to handle EPROMs up to 2764... I later added a toggle switch to drive the high address line of a 27128). With the arrival of the Cromemco, I also bought the Avocet 6800 cross-assembler that ran under CP/M. I still have that and run it under a CP/M emulator under DOS when I need to update that old code (that's still running in a few hundred machines out there... Had to do a Y2K fix!). The Dasoft stuff wouldn't run under C-DOS, so I had to actually buy CP/M. After messing with it for a while, I did boards for several products. Still have the plotter (another couple kilobucks spent there). I still have a bunch of those boards to support the products that are out there, though I don't have the Dasoft code anymore. I had a chance to visit Dasoft up in Emeryville years and years ago. They had quite a product for a while! Let's see... the Cromemco also ran dBase II. We did an extensive inventory control system in that. I can still run it on my 486 here under the CP/M emulator. So, I came into this a little after lights and toggle switches (though I used to teach PDP-8 assembly code, and we had to use the toggle switches to put the boot code (boot from punched tape!) in core and used the front panel lights to debug our code). Stuff changes... Harold FCC Rules Online at http://hallikainen.com/FccRules Lighting control for theatre and television at http://www.dovesystems.com ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: dl.http://www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.