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2001\08\07@150414 by Quentin

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Waaay OT. Sorry, I am in between projects here, and are having one of
those rare breaks today where I think about everything 'cept PICs and
electronics.
I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?
My English friends can also make their comments here.
Got a couple of beers riding on this one.

Quentin

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2001\08\07@151757 by t F. Touchton

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I think its time for a new project......

I be an American.. but I no pronounce the "B" in plummmmmmer.  Now... down
south its mystifying how things get pronounced.......



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Waaay OT. Sorry, I am in between projects here, and are having one of
those rare breaks today where I think about everything 'cept PICs and
electronics.
I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?
My English friends can also make their comments here.
Got a couple of beers riding on this one.

Quentin

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2001\08\07@151809 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 09:02 PM 8/7/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Waaay OT. Sorry, I am in between projects here, and are having one of
>those rare breaks today where I think about everything 'cept PICs and
>electronics.
>I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
>not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
>everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
>a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?

You lose.

Here is the way Americans (and Canadians) pronounce it:
http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/18/P0381800.wav

Best regards,

>My English friends can also make their comments here.
>Got a couple of beers riding on this one.

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2001\08\07@151813 by David VanHorn

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At 09:02 PM 8/7/01 +0200, Quentin wrote:
>Waaay OT. Sorry, I am in between projects here, and are having one of
>those rare breaks today where I think about everything 'cept PICs and
>electronics.
>I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
>not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
>everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
>a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?
>My English friends can also make their comments here.
>Got a couple of beers riding on this one.

Say it with me:  "Plummer"

We don't say "draughtsman" either, but we spell it funny. :)

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2001\08\07@152436 by Mike Mansheim

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> I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
> not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
> everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it
> is a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?

Americans do not pronounce the 'b'.
I also don't think the statement that Americans pronounce everything the
way they see it is accurate - we seem to have a lot of silent letters
(like hour, for instance).  Perhaps you are referring to when we are
trying to pronounce foreign words?

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2001\08\07@152627 by Bob Barr

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Quentin wrote:
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>Waaay OT. Sorry, I am in between projects here, and are having one of
>those rare breaks today where I think about everything 'cept PICs and
>electronics.
>I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
>not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
>everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
>a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?
>My English friends can also make their comments here.
>Got a couple of beers riding on this one.
>

I don't know what Americans you've been listening to who pronounce
'everything the way they see it'.

Most Americans pronounce most words very much like the British do. The 'b'
in 'plumber' is, indeed, silent in typical American pronunciation.

Accents aside, only a few words are noticeably different (British
'speciALity' vs American 'SPECialty' and British 'aluMINium' vs American
'aLUMinum' come to mind).

Oh, yeah, we pronounce 'truck' as 'truck', not 'lorry'. :=)

Regards, Bob


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2001\08\07@152822 by Dipperstein, Michael

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Here in Southern California, it's commonly pronounced like dumber.  I hope that
helps.  :-)

Just for the record, the 'b' actually sounds like a second 'm' in both cases.

Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his last name with
an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that, but the 'e' is a
long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.

-Mike

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2001\08\07@153447 by David VanHorn

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At 12:23 PM 8/7/01 -0700, Dipperstein, Michael wrote:
>Here in Southern California, it's commonly pronounced like dumber.  I hope
>that
>helps.  :-)
>
>Just for the record, the 'b' actually sounds like a second 'm' in both cases.
>
>Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his last
>name with
>an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that, but the 'e' is a
>long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.

I before E Except after C?  Man that's just weird.


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2001\08\07@153654 by Bob Barr

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"Dipperstein, Michael" write:
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>Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his last name
>with
>an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that, but the 'e' is
>a
>long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.
>

That's the age-old rule:

'I' before 'E' except after 'C' (except when it's not)

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2001\08\07@153903 by jamesnewton

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Despite our best attempts to be open, honest, and clear, some of the old
English trickiness has crept into the American utopia.

Most of us do not pronounce the "b".

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2001\08\07@153913 by Spehro Pefhany

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At 03:26 PM 8/7/01 -0400, you wrote:
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>Most Americans pronounce most words very much like the British do. The 'b'
>in 'plumber' is, indeed, silent in typical American pronunciation.

Depending on the accent.. some English pronouce "sore" exactly the same
as "saw".  Plumber could be "plum-ah".

Then there is the Aussies- is a "spice ship" something to be found plying
the straits of Malacca or is it a Buck Rogers vehicle?

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2001\08\07@154316 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>since Americans pronounce
>everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
>a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?
>Quentin

I say "Plummer" as in Christopher.   I can't be sure about
my countrymen, since they've all started pronouncing the
G in Gnome again.   English isn't WYSIWYG, but Spanish is.

As for our two nations divided by a common language, we do
manage to pronounce "Worcestershire" in 3 syllables.  But
it's got me to wondering,

Shouldn't Rochester be pronounced "roster"?
And "duster" should be spelled Dustchester...

Now see what you've started.

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2001\08\07@155711 by Quentin
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OK, OK, I loose the bet. Good thing is I am going to help the guy finish
the beers. :)
Seems like I've step on some toes here, sorry.
Good thing is, I picked up a handy link, thanks Spehro.
Yup Scott, time for a new project, big one coming up!

Quentin

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2001\08\07@155912 by Quentin

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Barry Gershenfeld wrote:

> I say "Plummer" as in Christopher.   I can't be sure about
> my countrymen, since they've all started pronouncing the
> G in Gnome again.   English isn't WYSIWYG, but Spanish is.
<snip>
> Now see what you've started.
Nope, disagree, Spanish is not, got pretty much their own pitfalls as
well: "h" is not pronounced (Hola), "j" is a gutural "g" (Julio), "ll"
is a "je" type of sound (Million), etc.

Quentin

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2001\08\07@160821 by James R. Cunningham

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Us southrun american boys say 'plummr'

Jim

David VanHorn wrote:

> >I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
> >not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
> >everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
> >a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?

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2001\08\07@160831 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>Nope, disagree, Spanish is not, got pretty much their own pitfalls as
>well: "h" is not pronounced (Hola), "j" is a gutural "g" (Julio), "ll"
>is a "je" type of sound (Million), etc.
>
>Quentin

At least they stick to their rules.  The rules don't change
when the letter appears in a different place.  Though I
do recall a "v" at the beginning is like a "b"...But pretty
darned close.

Barry

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2001\08\07@161210 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>"Dipperstein, Michael" write:

>>Mind you this information is coming from somebody that
>>spells his last name with an 'e' preceding an 'i' and
>>no 'c' in sight.  Not only that, but the 'e' is a
>>long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.
>>

In German, you pronounce the second letter (so I'm told), so
'ei' -> 'I'
'ie' -> 'E'

In English, you pronounce the name the way the owner tells
you he does :)

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2001\08\07@161632 by Dale Botkin

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Sorry, you lose.  I've never heard anyone pronounce it any way other than
"plummer" no matter what part of the country I visit.

Dale

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2001\08\07@161845 by Dipperstein, Michael

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> From: David VanHorn [dvanhornspamspam_OUTcedar.net]

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> >Mind you this information is coming from somebody that
> spells his last
> >name with
> >an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that,
> but the 'e' is a
> >long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.
>
> I before E Except after C?  Man that's just weird.
>

Yah, almost as wield as an uppercase letter in the middle of a word. :-)

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2001\08\07@172505 by steve

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> I don't know what Americans you've been listening to who pronounce
> 'everything the way they see it'.

I know the stereotypical American will announce everything we can
all see. Especially in movie theaters - "LOOK MARGE, HERE
COMES THE ALIEN !". Grrrrrr !  :-)

> Most Americans pronounce most words very much like the British do. The
> 'b' in 'plumber' is, indeed, silent in typical American pronunciation.

But Americans get much better mileage out of 'Z' than the English.
They even have their own name for it.

> Accents aside, only a few words are noticeably different (British
> 'speciALity' vs American 'SPECialty' and British 'aluMINium' vs
> American 'aLUMinum' come to mind).

Is there a reason why there is Aluminum but not Sodum,
Potassum, Plutonum, Uranum, etc. ? Is it spelt that way on
periodic tables or is it just the popular use spelling/pronounciation ?

Steve.

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2001\08\07@185942 by Jinx

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> >The 'b' in 'plumber' is silent

So's the "p" in 'swimming pool' and the "q" in 'bank'

> > Accents aside, only a few words are noticeably different (British
> > 'speciALity' vs American 'SPECialty' and British 'aluMINium' vs
> > American 'aLUMinum' come to mind)

How about element 111, Uuu - Unununium ? Put that in
Americanese and and you'd sound like you're trying to
speak with a mouthful of mashed potato

http://site.ifrance.com/okapi/periodic3.htm

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2001\08\07@193721 by Tony Nixon

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Quentin wrote:
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> Waaay OT. Sorry, I am in between projects here, and are having one of
> those rare breaks today where I think about everything 'cept PICs and
> electronics.
> I've got a bet going about the word plumber. Dictionary says the "b" is
> not pronounced. My argument is that, since Americans pronounce
> everything the way they see it, they do pronounce the "b", even if it is
> a soft one, it is still pronounced. Comments?
> My English friends can also make their comments here.
> Got a couple of beers riding on this one.

Weren't they financially trained in the room next to loyers.

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2001\08\07@220829 by goflo

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Not hard to field examples of gringo literal pronunciation,
such as "literature", as opposed to UK "lit-tra-chaw".

regards, Jack

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2001\08\08@014633 by Mg

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hooroo = cheerio = good bye! A miniature kangaroo hey!
A wallaby (not the football type) is like a small type of kangaroo.
Do you have the impression that all us aussies have koalas as pets and
kangaroos in the garage as our transports! ?

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> Hoo-roo???   A miniature kangaroo?????

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2001\08\08@021321 by Graham

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>  Perhaps you are referring to when we are
>trying to pronounce foreign words?
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well with the exception of a very few native language speakers, and the odd
surviving town/area names, then Americans only ever pronouncing foreign
words.....don't they ?

:-)

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2001\08\08@023201 by Graham

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>Do you have the impression that all us aussies have koalas as pets and
>kangaroos in the garage as our transports! ?
>

no of course not....what we are taught is:

you wear boots with shorts and have hats with corks hanging on them....you
can all walk on the backs of sheep and live in huts made of corrugated iron....

and we had most of this re-confirmed recently at the Olympics ceremonies...

oh' I nearly forgot...... you also send both telephone and mains supplies
over barbed wire fences.

maybe we could move this last subject back to [EE] for fun ?

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2001\08\08@031801 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

I'm English.

Definitely "plummer" (silent b), even in the Midlands 'Stokie' "Cost kick a
bo against a wo?" dialect.

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2001\08\08@052852 by Alan B. Pearce

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>As for our two nations divided by a common language, we do
>manage to pronounce "Worcestershire" in 3 syllables.  But
>it's got me to wondering,

>Shouldn't Rochester be pronounced "roster"?
>And "duster" should be spelled Dustchester...

>Now see what you've started.

Stupid English, you can see why the Americans went the way they did, but see
my message about 3 emails back.

Another English stupidity is that the town of Towcester is pronounced
Toaster (as in that thing you put bread in to brown or burn) and the town of
Howick (New Zealand pronunciation How-ick) is pronounced Hoick (as in what
people do before spitting on the pavement)

Boy all this pronunciation thing has the spelling checker confused, you
should see some of the suggestions for replacement words :)

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2001\08\08@054756 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his last
>name with
>an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that, but the 'e' is
a
>long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.

>I before E Except after C?  Man that's just weird.


maybe weird, but consistent with German spelling, and I suspect he would
pronounce it to rhyme with that German beer container (a Stein) in which
case the name is probably of German origin.

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2001\08\08@054813 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I also don't think the statement that Americans pronounce everything the
>way they see it is accurate - we seem to have a lot of silent letters
>(like hour, for instance).  Perhaps you are referring to when we are
>trying to pronounce foreign words?

Perhaps someone can tell me why Americans pronounce the word "solder" as
"sodder", and while we are at it why is "Arkansas" pronounced as "Arkansaw"
instead of rhyming with "Kansas"?

Alan (who lives not far from the home of the Oxford Dictionary)

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2001\08\08@091048 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> >I also don't think the statement that Americans pronounce everything the
> >way they see it is accurate - we seem to have a lot of silent letters
> >(like hour, for instance).  Perhaps you are referring to when we are
> >trying to pronounce foreign words?
>
> Perhaps someone can tell me why Americans pronounce the word "solder" as
> "sodder", and while we are at it why is "Arkansas" pronounced as "Arkansaw"
> instead of rhyming with "Kansas"?

'Cause those are the proper pronunciations for those words...  at least
it is here!  How on earth do you pronounce "solder"?  8-)

> Alan (who lives not far from the home of the Oxford Dictionary)

Oxford dictionary...  yeah, that's the one that went over the side of the
boat along with the tea, as someone here observerd once - right?  8-)

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2001\08\08@092256 by t F. Touchton

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Just like all us Americans wear six shooters and ride horses!!!!!!!

I just had never heard the expression before... I don't get around much.
Australia is on my list to visit some time in my life, I hear it is
beautiful.

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hooroo = cheerio = good bye! A miniature kangaroo hey!
A wallaby (not the football type) is like a small type of kangaroo.
Do you have the impression that all us aussies have koalas as pets and
kangaroos in the garage as our transports! ?

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> Hoo-roo???   A miniature kangaroo?????

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2001\08\08@092504 by Alan B. Pearce

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>'Cause those are the proper pronunciations for those words...  at least
>it is here!

So why do they not spell the names of the states as they are pronounced??? I
don't altogether buy any argument that that is how the Indians spelt them :)

>How on earth do you pronounce "solder"?  8-)

as "Sold-err" (i.e. including the L). At least if youse guys is going to
pronounce it different at least change the spelling like you did with
"aluminium"

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2001\08\08@093531 by James R. Cunningham

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Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> So why do they not spell the names of the states as they are pronounced??? I
> don't altogether buy any argument that that is how the Indians spelt them :)

Arkansas is pronounced exactly as it should be.  It's Kansas that isn't. :-)

Jim

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2001\08\08@095756 by Scott Newell

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>Arkansas is pronounced exactly as it should be.  It's Kansas that isn't. :-)

Damn straight.


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2001\08\08@102201 by Mike Mansheim

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>> Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his last
>> name with an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that,
>> but the 'e' is a long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.

> maybe weird, but consistent with German spelling, and I suspect he would
> pronounce it to rhyme with that German beer container (a Stein) in which
> case the name is probably of German origin.

I always pronounced the beer container "stine", not "steen", and assumed
he pronounced his last name "Dippersteen".  Have I been saying the
beer container incorrectly?

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2001\08\08@103023 by D Lloyd

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Hi,

On the subject of beer, how do you pronounce Michelob - not that I drink
the stuff....I prefer warm, tasty beer ;-)

Mikellob?
Mishelobb ?

or something else?

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>> Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his last
>> name with an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that,
>> but the 'e' is a long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.

> maybe weird, but consistent with German spelling, and I suspect he would
> pronounce it to rhyme with that German beer container (a Stein) in which
> case the name is probably of German origin.

I always pronounced the beer container "stine", not "steen", and assumed
he pronounced his last name "Dippersteen".  Have I been saying the
beer container incorrectly?

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2001\08\08@104655 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Have I been saying the
>beer container incorrectly?

I would say "no" and as the surname is spelt with "ei" I would expect it to
be pronounced to rhyme with "stine", but then the owner of the name may say
it differently.  :)

At the end of the argument the owner of the surname is the arbiter of how it
is said.

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2001\08\08@110555 by J.Feldhaar

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Hi all,

I asked an american colleague the same two years ago, and was astonished when last
year another american (in Maryland) didn't understand my order for that brand of
beer  ;-)

Greets
Jochen Feldhaar DH6FAZ

D Lloyd schrieb:

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2001\08\08@110743 by John F Pfaff

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Just ask Mel Brooks how to pronounce Frankenstein, and Igor for that
matter :)

"Alan B. Pearce" wrote:
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2001\08\08@111815 by Spehro Pefhany

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>Hi all,
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>I asked an american colleague the same two years ago, and was astonished
when last
>year another american (in Maryland) didn't understand my order for that
brand of
>beer  ;-)

Mick-el-ohb

But I prefer to say "Molsons", "Labatts" or "Sapporo".

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2001\08\08@115338 by Mike Mansheim

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> On the subject of beer, how do you pronounce Michelob - not that I
> drink the stuff....I prefer warm, tasty beer ;-)

> Mikellob?
> Mishelobb ?

> or something else?

mika'-lobe
the i is short as in 'it'
the a is pronounced as 'uh', and is not 'heavily' pronounced
the o is long as indicated by the e on the end

this is way too much detail...

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2001\08\08@132429 by Bob Barr

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"Alan B. Pearce" wrote:

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>At the end of the argument the owner of the surname is the arbiter of how
>it
>is said.
>

Usually true, but sometimes subject to change. When I was in the Navy (many
years ago), our ship had a crusty gunner's mate named 'Thereault'(sp?). He
pronounced his name 'the-RAWLT'.

A new ensign reported aboard with the same last name who pronounced his name
'TERR-ee-oh'.

Over the 1MC (PA system), you'd hear the announcement "Gunner's mate
the-RAWLT, report to Ensign TERR-ee-o on the bridge". (Of course, the
difference was often exaggerated to make the ensign's name sound prissy. He
eventually changed the pronuciation to match the gunner's mate's.)

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2001\08\08@133047 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Tue, 7 Aug 2001 14:33:17 -0500 David VanHorn <.....dvanhorn@spam@spamEraseMECEDAR.NET>
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> At 12:23 PM 8/7/01 -0700, Dipperstein, Michael wrote:
> >Here in Southern California, it's commonly pronounced like dumber.
> I hope
> >that
> >helps.  :-)
> >
> >Just for the record, the 'b' actually sounds like a second 'm' in
> both cases.
> >
> >Mind you this information is coming from somebody that spells his
> last
> >name with
> >an 'e' preceding an 'i' and no 'c' in sight.  Not only that, but
> the 'e' is a
> >long 'e' and the 'i' is silent.
>
> I before E Except after C?  Man that's just weird.
>


       As I recall, it's I before E except after C or if it sounds like A, as
in NEIGHBOR and WEIGH.

       BTW, THANKS for the pointer to speech file on plumber! I've got a new
(PIC based, of course) product (see http://www.braillemaster.d2g.com)
that has speech on an ISD4004-08 chip. So far, it's MY speech. I'm
looking to license standard word speech files. So far I've contacted
Merriam Webster. No one there ever thought of licensing the speech files
on their website, so they're thinking about it. I've now also sent a
request to bartleby.

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2001\08\08@155806 by Steve Smith

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Yeah but u see americans cant distinguisg the difference between a boot and a
trunk its obvious to us brits that a trunk is part of an elephant not a car
and a boot is a duel purpose item for putting both luggage and your foot in !

just my 0.02 (pence) worth

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2001\08\08@185330 by Russell McMahon

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> On the subject of beer, how do you pronounce Michelob - not that I drink
> the stuff....I prefer warm, tasty beer ;-)
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> Mikellob?
> Mishelobb ?
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> or something else?

Meickpkanshaw ? :-)

       RM

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Hi,


"Meickpkanshaw ? :-)".....

Yeah, that's the one (?!) ;-)

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> On the subject of beer, how do you pronounce Michelob - not that I drink
> the stuff....I prefer warm, tasty beer ;-)
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> Mikellob?
> Mishelobb ?
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> or something else?

Meickpkanshaw ? :-)

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2001\08\09@065350 by Jinx

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> hooroo = cheerio = good bye !

The Kiwi equivalent is "hooray". Weird. I've heard the
derivation but flipped if I can remember what it is

http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwi.htm

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2001\08\09@080112 by Alan B. Pearce

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>"Meickpkanshaw ? :-)".....

>Yeah, that's the one (?!) ;-)

but only when your drunk???? ;)

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2001\08\09@102629 by Don Hyde

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No problem -- just say "Bud".  Basically the same and easier to say...

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Hi,

"No problem -- just say "Bud".  Basically the same and easier to say..."

I'd much rather say, "Pint of Abbot's Ale/Old Speckled Hen" (!)

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No problem -- just say "Bud".  Basically the same and easier to say...

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2001\08\09@111247 by Don Hyde

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In this neighborhood (New Orleans) you say "Abita Amber" if you actually
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2001\08\09@120811 by Mg

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You kiwi's always have to be different!
The funniest thing I've heard on radio is a kiwi lady ringing up to tell the
radio station not to air a certain toyota ad anymore because her kiwi
husband was receiving a lot of flack at work with respect to this ad. The
toyota ad had a kiwi saying bugger engine, bugger exterior and bugger
inside! Bugger is the word that comes out when a kiwi trys to say the word
better! - well this is what I learnt from these ads!

For the unfamiliar; a kiwi refers to a New Zealand person, and New Zealand
is an independent island not too far South East of Australia, pop. of about
3.5M. Oh and lots of sheep too!

-Mg

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> > hooroo = cheerio = good bye !
>
> The Kiwi equivalent is "hooray". Weird. I've heard the
> derivation but flipped if I can remember what it is
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> http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwi.htm

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2001\08\09@122134 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Bugger is the word that comes out when a kiwi trys to say the word
>better!

Actually it is probably "bigger" rather than "better"

Alan (an expatriate Kiwi)

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2001\08\09@171611 by Jinx

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> You kiwi's always have to be different!

Er, me ex-pat Brit.

To quote crusty old Imperialist Winston Churchill, with ref to
pronunciation, "It is the right of every Englishman to pronounce
foreign words any way he pleases". Hear hear ;-), you tell'em
Winnie

> The funniest thing I've heard on radio is a kiwi lady ringing up to
> tell the radio station not to air a certain toyota ad anymore

You wouldn't believe the fuss when Toyota brought out that ad. Most
of the spoken words in the ad are "bugger". Even the sheep dog
has a go. Along with "bollocks" (in certain usage), it's now deemed
acceptable for broadcast

And right back at ya, the funniest thing I've heard on radio

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/ACDC_zip.html

A 2 minute .wav from a Sydney station. In Simpsonesque terms,
"one of the organ donors from Sector 7G"

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2001\08\10@112125 by Pfaff, John

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Then there was the American Austronaut that crash-landed in the
Australian outback.  When he finally came to after being unconscious for
more than 24 hours, he noticed he was in pretty bad shape.  Luckily he
was found by a man.  The Austronaut asked the man "Did I come here to
die?" to which the man replied (in a very thick Australian accent), "No,
you got here yesterday."

jp

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2001\08\10@140518 by James R. Cunningham

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Boo, Boo, Hiss.....

You got any more of those ?

All the best,

Jim

Pfaff, John wrote:

> ............., "No, you got here yesterday."

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2001\08\10@185438 by steve

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> You got any more of those ?

It's not quite the same as it's true, but....

As you know, when NASA, JPL, et al send up probes, they include
experiments to try and detect signs of life. Because Galileo (I
think) had to fly by Earth on its way to Jupiter, they turned the
sensors on Earth and did the same tests. The results were that
indicators of life having evolved were a strong positive but there
were no detected signs of intelligent life. The largest landmass
visible to the spacecraft during the tests was Australia. Draw your
own conclusions.

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