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2004\08\02@063258 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Or even better, tiny chips in everything you buy that can
>be traced back to you!  I just can't wait for RFID to take off.

personally I think that this is what the Biblical "mark of the beast" will
consist of. An RFID chip inserted into the back of the right hand, or
forehead, which are both places where the skin is very thin on top of the
bone, will show a bulge from the chip. The bulge will be the "mark" showing
you have the chip. The ID from this chip will then be used for everything
from electronic funds transfer to social security entitlements, building
entry passes and passport control. It is about the only way to stop a person
having multiple identities.

PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS DEGENERATE INTO A RELIGIOUS WAR.

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2004\08\02@063918 by Jake Anderson

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mmm I dont think so
nothing to stop sombody either having a fake "chip" with something
that will reply somewhere else on their person

or a sufficently advanced chip that can be externally programmed.
(perhaps by picking up paticular muscle movements?)

vuagley poetic this discussion
I am looking for smartcards (contactless) with keypads
and some form of display on them, and as rugged as possible.
Any suggestions?

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2004\08\02@075508 by D. Jay Newman

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> personally I think that this is what the Biblical "mark of the beast" will
> consist of. An RFID chip inserted into the back of the right hand, or

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> PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS DEGENERATE INTO A RELIGIOUS WAR.

If you didn't want this to degenerate, they why did you bring religion
into it in the first place?
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2004\08\02@083324 by Jinx

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> personally I think that this is what the Biblical "mark of the beast" will
> consist of. An RFID chip inserted into the back of the right hand, or

I recently saw the film Impostor again. Central to the plot is personal
ID by implant

(http://www.lisashea.com/hobbies/pkdick/imposter.html

which is based on the Philip K Dick short story written way back in
1953. Think what electronics were around in 1953

PKD is visionary, considering just his works that were made into
films awash with believable/achievable technology. And many
involve issues of identity

Total Recall (1956), Impostor (1953), Minority Report (1966),
Paycheck (1953), Screamers (1953), Do Androids Dream Of
Electric Sheep ? (aka Blade Runner) (1968)

http://www.philipkdick.com/

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2004\08\02@083531 by Russell McMahon

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> > personally I think that this is what the Biblical "mark of the beast"
will
> > consist of. An RFID chip inserted into the back of the right hand, or

> > PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS DEGENERATE INTO A RELIGIOUS WAR.
>
> If you didn't want this to degenerate, they why did you bring religion
> into it in the first place?

Said the man who usually mentions God in his sig line :-)
(NBNBNB:   :-)  :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
:-)  )
Anyway, DCX is almost holy ground :-)

I must admit, as a card carrying fully paid up Christian*,  I wondered the
same.
It's a bit hard to discuss "the mark of the beast" (TMOTB) et al without
invoking religion generally and Christianity specifically.

Almost a discussible subject with GREAT care. Which is i guess what Allan
was saying.

THIS SUBJECT IS OF POTENTIAL INTEREST TO EE FIELD (let alone OT) IF FOR NO
OTHER REASON THAT IT *MUST* BE ACCOUNTED FOR BY INTRODUCERS OF ANY SYSTEM.

For the book of Revelation totally illiterate, and there wouldn't be too
many of those in the US (although the fine detail has probably escaped most)
"the mark of the beast" is an unknown but much discussed
"symbol/item/system" predicted to become universal at some future date,
without which none can buy and sell. It is bestowed to either right hand or
forehead. The meaning has been widely debated. At one extreme it may be
something like an RFID system, in between a loyalty mark or brand and at the
other extreme a mindset or heart felt allegiance. The probably outcomes of
current trends in electronic commerce and the mindset of Orwell's 1984 are
examples towards but not at these extremes. For reasons beyond explanation
here, the symbols "666" or some variation or form of these, MAY be related
to the mark of the beast.

Fertile ground!

Any system which attempts to achieve major or total market share  of buying
and selling will need to take account of the billion + (currently) or so
people who have some degree or other of wariness of any system which MAY
represent TMOTB. Odds are that it is NOT something that will be encountered
in so simple and avoidable way as choosing to drop out of the system and/or
starve to death, but who knows.

There have been many putative candidates recently and in prior centuries.

The UPC bar codes which appear on essentially everything you buy contain a
most interesting faux pas or some "in your face provocation". I suspect the
latter. The bar codes (someone else can quote chapter and verse) which
appear on essentially all products have 3 synchronising sequences built in -
one at each end and one mid sequence. These are identical. While the product
code bars are represented by bar sequences representing numerals, the
synchronising codes are not numerals - they have NO numeric significance.
This is made clear in the documentation. of course ;-).
It "just so happens" that the sequence used as he synchronising code is the
same as that used for the numeral 6 in the numeric code. IF the synch code
was a number it would be a 6. In such a case the overall synch field would
be readable as "666". Essentially all products sold have the label
"6 ddddddd 6 dddddd 6 " on them. - or would have if the syncs were sixes,
but as they aren't, the preceding sentence is untrue :-)

I find it terminally hard to believe that this "coincidence" of an embedded
666 would not have been noted by the code's creator AND that the
implications would not have been obvious. I suspect it was someone poking
fun. Or, just maybe .... :-)

Any new systems that may be reasonably construed to match TMOTB could be in
for a rougher introduction than the bar codes were.


       Russell McMahon


* - Lest "card carrying, fully paid up" confuse anyone, it's a (probably
feeble) joke referring to union membership. Christian's don't have cards,
record keeping is centralised :-), and all are fully paid up by definition.

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