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'[OT]: Online C Compiler Service?'
2001\01\06@152746 by Richard Sloan

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Do you think a service such as a online C compiling service, web enabled,
would be of any value and would be used by the public, if no please advise,
it yes what do you think the service might be valued at?

Such processors covered would be 68HC11, 68HC08, 68HC16, 6809, 68HC12,
8080/85, 8096, 8086, 8052, AVR.

Just an idea for a business.

Thanks,
Richard.

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2001\01\06@234854 by Alejandro

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Hi Richard!

When I look in Internet, I search for "no money" things... If a program
sounds like "bargain! pay only  a few $$  for this great software/service" ,
I immediatelly change to another page, because there are many
*really free* software that can do the same job.

I accept well the advertising in free software. By example, I have used
GetRight
, Eudora and Copernic, great software supported by advertising.

I accept to  pay for material goods, like a chip, a book or a tool.

But I dont like to pay for software (that becomes old at the speed
of light and needs to pay for "upgrade" or "new feature" or, more
frequently, for "bug fix" :)

Well, these are my thougts...

Cheers! :)

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2001\01\07@012532 by David VanHorn

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At 01:51 AM 1/7/01 -0600, Alejandro wrote:
>Hi Richard!
>
>When I look in Internet, I search for "no money" things... If a program
>sounds like "bargain! pay only  a few $$  for this great software/service" ,
>  I immediatelly change to another page, because there are many
>*really free* software that can do the same job.

You might be able to do this using banner ads.
The users don't pay anything, and the banner ads could be worth a fair bit
to the right advertizers.

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2001\01\07@031946 by Bill Westfield

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> Do you think a service such as a online C compiling service, web enabled,
> would be of any value and would be used by the public, if no please
> advise, it yes what do you think the service might be valued at?

Well, speaking as a developer of highly priced commercial software, there's
NO WAY IN THE WORLD that I'll send the company's crown jewels (ie source
code) out over and onto the unprotected internet, even if I have a fair
degree of trust in the provider of the compilation service.

Speaking as a hobbyist...  This sounds to me like it would be a useful
MARKETING TOOL for a compiler vendor, especially if offered as a free
service.  It has the right "feel" for inconvenience penalty vs reduced cost.
Serious commercial customers could use it to evaluate new compilers.
Hobbyists could get (some number of?) free compilations per day.  Schools
could use an external or internal dedicated service and get better control
of the tools.  The compiler vendor gets good publicity, the usual
demographic data of users, extensive testing of their product (perhaps
several versions thereof) with a wide variety of source code.  They might
even generate some sales, or prevent some piracy.

(Old timers may recognize the return of the sort of "as-available" RJE Batch
processing enlightened companies used to provide on their computers for the
local schools/clubs/geeks/etc.  That's not a bad thing, IMO.)

BillW

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2001\01\07@065542 by Andy Howard

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> From: "Richard Sloan" <.....rsloanKILLspamspam@spam@MP3KIT.COM>

> Do you think a service such as a online C compiling service, web enabled,
> would be of any value and would be used by the public, if no please
advise,
> it yes what do you think the service might be valued at?
> Such processors covered would be 68HC11, 68HC08, 68HC16, 6809, 68HC12,
> 8080/85, 8096, 8086, 8052, AVR.

What? No PIC or SX!!


> Just an idea for a business.


There's a few places doing similar things that might give you a few ideas
Richard:

http://compilespot.com/

http://www.codesourcery.com/gcc-compile.shtml

http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout/

http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/compile/

There's also a whole shedload of online Java compilers around.


As to the question of value, I don't think charging per compilation would be
a very useful model, those late-night write-compile-burn-curse cycles could
get quite expensive, though annual subscription for free use might work.

Presumably it would appeal mostly to people who use a wide range of devices
occasionally and don't want to buy compilers for all of them, most people
who are programming a device regularly will probably have the tools
already,.

You could also charge manufacturers to demo their compilers online and to
collect sales leads, and any ad's you carry could be very well targeted even
if they would have relatively low number of viewings.

Good luck with it anyway.


Cheers,

Andy.








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2001\01\07@100139 by mike

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On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:17:05 -0500, you wrote:

>Do you think a service such as a online C compiling service, web enabled,
>would be of any value and would be used by the public, if no please advise,
>it yes what do you think the service might be valued at?
>
>Such processors covered would be 68HC11, 68HC08, 68HC16, 6809, 68HC12,
>8080/85, 8096, 8086, 8052, AVR.
>
>Just an idea for a business.
>
>Thanks,
>Richard.
I only think it would be of any use as a (free) way of trialling
software before purchase. I don't think any commercial user would
risk:
a) their source falling into the wrong hands, intentionally or
otherwise.
b) the risk that the service, net connection, or phone line would die
at a critical moment during development - the potential cost of this
alone would cover the cost of most MCU compilers.
c) that the service would still be there in x years time when the
product needs an update.
Xilinx seem to be trying to head this way with their FPGA software,
and if they try to force it I think it will come back to bite them
badly. It may be  appropriate in cases where a remote service can
provide more power for highly compute-intensive applications, like
fitting very large FPGAs, but otherwise all the above problems will
seriously discourage users.
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