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'[OT]: Olin has been Deleted! (was insuccesses)'
2004\02\16@043345 by adastra

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> I have changed the subject of this post because I think that many
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2004\02\16@043345 by adastra

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> I have changed the subject of this post because I think that many
people
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> a very great loss indeed. And you might want to notice that unlike
many
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simulator.
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2004\02\18@074321 by Dave Tweed

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Chuck Busch <RemoveMEezflyr82TakeThisOuTspamspamCOX.NET> wrote:
> Maybe sombody like Ken Pergola could "pre-screen" has responses?

Or me, since I'm a bit closer. Ken's all the way at the other end of the
state. I'm sitting not 8 feet from Olin right now. But assigning a personal
moderator for him is a stupid idea -- nobody wants to be his "mommy".

I've been working with him since about last May on various projects, and
yes, he's much the same in person as he appears on the list, but you get a
much better impression of his overall technical competence face-to-face.
He really isn't that hard to work with if you stay on your toes.

Frankly, I've never understood exactly why he spends so much time
responding to messages that he feels are beneath him. He says that he's
trying to keep the SNR of the list high, but he does it in such a way
that a lot of off-topic traffic is generated anyway, so I'm not sure
what the point is.

Obviously, his website resources will remain available and you can still
reach him off-list with specific questions. You can even post the responses
if you want. But Olin doesn't feel any great need to be on the piclist,
James is tired of dealing with Olin, and I think the list will get along
just fine.

-- Dave Tweed

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2004\02\19@212011 by Damien Cahill

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Well since everyone seems to contributing their 2cents I may as well throw
mine in the lot as well.

I think James is entirely justified in removing someone he has warned
repeatedly from his list.  However I also think that absolute blanket
punishment doesn't solve anything.  How about a timed suspension or
something.  You know, give him a chance before the parole board to see if he
gets time off for good behaviour.  Everyone seems to be split right down the
middle given that one the one hand Olin is an asset to the list and on the
other that this list only exists out of the good graces of someone who is
fed up with Olins firey responses.  The list isn't a democracy but it isn't
a gas chamber either, how about giving Olin a second chance when the dust
has settled?

Cheers,
Damien Cahill.

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