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2001\08\01@121326 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Bob Barr wrote:

> Dale Botkin wrote:
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> >
> >Or use lilo.  I have yet to find a situation in which lilo cannot be made
> >to work...  I have a WINNT/Win98/Linux machine with a 40G drive, all three
> >work fine.  OK, well, one works fine and the other two work as well as
> >their underlying issues permit.
> >
>
> Careful, Dale, Bill might get mad at you for saying things like that. :=)

Three OS residing on one system...

One Geo Metro with bald tires and a wheezing go-kart engine, fun to drive
but unreliable and easy to crash (98);

One heavy-duty Cadillac pickup prone to engine compartment fires, highly
useful when it works but expensive as hell and high maintenance (NT);

And one homebuilt Gulfstream-V, fast, elegant, beautiful, highly useful,
and only a few people kow how to even start the engines (Linux with X).

Then there's my server - a cross between Humvee, armored personnel
carrier, and rally car; fast, highly useful, bulletproof, runs forever,
simple to use but you do need some training to know how to drive it.
It's Linux without Xwindows.

And of course the PICs running my apps -- a herd of semi-intelligent
roller skates with attitude, don't do a lot but will do it forever.

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2001\08\01@220305 by Brandon Fosdick

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Dale Botkin wrote:
> Then there's my server - a cross between Humvee, armored personnel
> carrier, and rally car; fast, highly useful, bulletproof, runs forever,
> simple to use but you do need some training to know how to drive it.
> It's Linux without Xwindows.

Linux? Bulletproof? Surely you jest! If you want bulletproof you want
*BSD.

/me dons asbestos suit :)

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2001\08\02@082505 by Andy N1YEW

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2001, you wrote:
> Dale Botkin wrote:
> > Then there's my server - a cross between Humvee, armored personnel
> > carrier, and rally car; fast, highly useful, bulletproof, runs forever,
> > simple to use but you do need some training to know how to drive it.
> > It's Linux without Xwindows.
>
> Linux? Bulletproof? Surely you jest! If you want bulletproof you want
> *BSD.

BSD??!??!?!??!?!?! what kind of OS is that?????

/me dons a linux suit

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2001\08\02@130850 by Jim

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BSD ?

Then there is always "SCO" ...

Jim

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2001, you wrote:
> Dale Botkin wrote:
> > Then there's my server - a cross between Humvee, armored personnel
> > carrier, and rally car; fast, highly useful, bulletproof, runs forever,
> > simple to use but you do need some training to know how to drive it.
> > It's Linux without Xwindows.
>
> Linux? Bulletproof? Surely you jest! If you want bulletproof you want
> *BSD.

BSD??!??!?!??!?!?! what kind of OS is that?????

/me dons a linux suit

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2001\08\02@144610 by Peter Barick

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N1YEW posts his reply and uncertainty of BSD. Must be a real young pup
or linux newbie, that YEW. BSD for Berkley Std. Dist. is a hacked ver.
of AT&T's Unix, which as most hacks know is the mother ship for linux,
another Unix wannabe.

Peter, PIC Newbie

>>
>> Linux? Bulletproof? Surely you jest! If you want bulletproof you
want
>> *BSD.
>
>BSD??!??!?!??!?!?! what kind of OS is that?????
>
>/me dons a linux suit
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2001\08\02@145650 by David VanHorn

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At 01:43 PM 8/2/01 -0500, Peter Barick wrote:
>N1YEW posts his reply and uncertainty of BSD. Must be a real young pup
>or linux newbie, that YEW. BSD for Berkley Std. Dist. is a hacked ver.
>of AT&T's Unix, which as most hacks know is the mother ship for linux,
>another Unix wannabe.

My linux server finally went down last night, after 18 months.
Cause: Major storms in wisconsin, power failed, and the site backup ran dry.


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2001\08\02@152130 by Brandon Fosdick

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Jim wrote:
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> BSD ?
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> Then there is always "SCO" ...

Yeah, but you'd have to pay for that. FreeBSD, is well, free.
Of course, so are OpenBSD and NetBSD.

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2001\08\02@175820 by Andy N1YEW

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2001, you wrote:
> N1YEW posts his reply and uncertainty of BSD. Must be a real young pup
> or linux newbie, that YEW.

I'm sorry to say I was being sarcastic cause i run linux! (thats LIN-OOKS) ;^)

> BSD for Berkley Std. Dist. is a hacked ver.
> of AT&T's Unix, which as most hacks know is the mother ship for linux,
> another Unix wannabe.

well ya see AT&T wasnt good to begin with ;-)

Andy, knowed linux guru and pic programmer and self-deemed EE
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2001\08\02@180726 by Dale Botkin

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Brandon Fosdick wrote:

> Jim wrote:
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> > BSD ?
> >
> > Then there is always "SCO" ...
>
> Yeah, but you'd have to pay for that. FreeBSD, is well, free.
> Of course, so are OpenBSD and NetBSD.

It's really funny where I work.  The existing systems are all Sun/Slowaris
boxes.  We're phasing in a few Linux systems (of course they're like
rabbits)...  so there is a general attitude that there are "real" UNIX
boxes (Sun) and those Linux things that are sort of like UNIX but really
aren't.

Of course, neither is Slowaris... but try telling a die-hard Sun
evangelist that!  8-)

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2001\08\02@182626 by Dale Botkin

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Andy N1YEW wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Aug 2001, you wrote:
> > N1YEW posts his reply and uncertainty of BSD. Must be a real young pup
> > or linux newbie, that YEW.
>
> I'm sorry to say I was being sarcastic cause i run linux! (thats LIN-OOKS) ;^)

Now, see, that's how I tell the old guys from the new guys.  Do we also
pronounce his name Lin-oos?  I think not.  Brts pronounce "truck" as
"lorry", does that mean we have to?  I think not.  I still call it Linux,
pronounced like Linus (of Peanuts comic strip fame).  Finns are welcome to
pronounce it the other way, I use the North American pronunciation.  But
hey, I'm just a curmudgeon... 8-)

Dale
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2001\08\02@185603 by Peter L. Peres

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> Linux? Bulletproof? Surely you jest! If you want bulletproof you want
> *BSD.
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> /me dons asbestos suit :)

You were trying to say Openbsd, no ? ;-)

Peter

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2001\08\02@194910 by Jim

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Per the http://www.sco.com/buy/ on the SCO website:

 "Free licenses of SCO OpenServerTM and
   UnixWare 7 operating systems are fully
  functional with the only restriction being
  that they be used for personal and non-
  commercial use."

So, for home use ...

http://shop.caldera.com/caldera/offers.html and get the
'free' license.

Their CD set, costing US$49 comprises "The SCO
OpenServer media kit" - a 6 CD software package
which is accompanied by a system handbook and
release notes. It consists of 1 system CD,  1 bootdisk,
SCO® Vision software, SCO OpenServer
Supplements, SCO OpenServer Optional Services,
UnixWare and OpenServer  Development Kit, and
Skunkware 98.

Not exactly *free* but a consideration for some
perhaps ...

I'm not a fan of any particular Unix OS - I just happened
to fall into a software-support role on a system wherein
6-SCO (yes, six) boxes (running on 150 MHz Pentiums)
were tied back into a pair of Sun boxes which maitained
a disk farm which in turn was tied back into a hardware
redundant Sun (an "ft-Sparc") which ran an Oracle database
that kept 'call'/voice mail status and subscriber records ...

The SCO boxes handled 'line' (ISDN) interface, ISDN line
supervision, etc, and acted as the front end for a
voice mail system originally designed/built by
Atlas Telecom  before maintenance was assumed
by DSC/Alcatel for a customer in Japan. Each SCO
box ran an app that ran a 'compiled script' that controlled
call state progression and handshaking with the ISDN
D-channel.

Atlas went under because of 'SW maintenence issues' on
this monster. I knew why a month into the role ...

Jim


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2001\08\02@225319 by Brandon Fosdick

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Dale Botkin wrote:
> Now, see, that's how I tell the old guys from the new guys.  Do we also
> pronounce his name Lin-oos?  I think not.  Brts pronounce "truck" as
> "lorry", does that mean we have to?  I think not.  I still call it Linux,
> pronounced like Linus (of Peanuts comic strip fame).  Finns are welcome to
> pronounce it the other way, I use the North American pronunciation.  But
> hey, I'm just a curmudgeon... 8-)

Once apon a time I found a wav file of Linus pronouncing "Linux" so we
could all get it straight. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.

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2001\08\02@231022 by Tim Hamel

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In a message dated 8/2/01 7:54:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bfozspamKILLspamGLUE.UMD.EDU
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Well, I guess you're all in a heap of trouble..

http://members.tripod.com/wwwproducts/linux.wav

-Tim H.

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2001\08\03@051222 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Of course, neither is Slowaris

Umm should that not be a "ss" and no other letters after the "a" in the last
word?

Sorry couldn't resist :{}

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2001\08\03@083601 by jeethur

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If you are running Redhat,
The sndconfig utility plays this file to test the sound card.
If I remember it right, its an au file not a wav file.

Jeethu Rao

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2001\08\03@155454 by Brandon Fosdick

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Tim Hamel wrote:
> Well, I guess you're all in a heap of trouble..
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> http://members.tripod.com/wwwproducts/linux.wav

I found on linux.org in both Swedish and English. The English sounds the same as
the above link. It sounds like he pronounces it differently in Swedish. Maybe
that's just cause I don't know Sewdish.

http://www.linux.org/info/index.html

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2001\08\03@191913 by Dale Botkin

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Brandon Fosdick wrote:

> Dale Botkin wrote:
> > Now, see, that's how I tell the old guys from the new guys.  Do we also
> > pronounce his name Lin-oos?  I think not.  Brts pronounce "truck" as
> > "lorry", does that mean we have to?  I think not.  I still call it Linux,
> > pronounced like Linus (of Peanuts comic strip fame).  Finns are welcome to
> > pronounce it the other way, I use the North American pronunciation.  But
> > hey, I'm just a curmudgeon... 8-)
>
> Once apon a time I found a wav file of Linus pronouncing "Linux" so we
> could all get it straight. I'll have to see if I can dig it up.

Yes, I've heard it.  That's exactly how I would expect a Finn to pronounce
it.  Linus is Finnish...  He also pronounces "Linus" the same way in that
audio clip, but I've never heard anyone, anywhere, ever pronounce it that
way in North America.  Odd.

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2001\08\03@192734 by Jinx

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> but I've never heard anyone, anywhere, ever pronounce it that
> way in North America.  Odd.

Linus' way of pronouncing Linux is the way I've always heard
it in NZ

But it's funny how some people just seem to ignore how
everybody else pronounces a name. I saw a documentary
some time ago and the BBC reporter, for a whole irritating
hour, pronounced NASA as "Narzar". He must be the only
one in the whole world who doesn't say "na sa"

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2001\08\03@193619 by Barry Gershenfeld

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>Linus' way of pronouncing Linux is the way I've always heard
>it in NZ

Rumor has it that after a few years in Silicon Valley even
he doesn't say it the same way anymore.

>But it's funny how some people just seem to ignore how
>everybody else pronounces a name. I saw a documentary
>some time ago and the BBC reporter, for a whole irritating
>hour, pronounced NASA as "Narzar". He must be the only
>one in the whole world who doesn't say "na sa"

It's "Nassau", isn't it? :)

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2001\08\03@205420 by Jinx

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> >hour, pronounced NASA as "Narzar". He must be the only
> >one in the whole world who doesn't say "na sa"
>
> It's "Nassau", isn't it? :)

That's the place in the Bayhaymays isn't it ?

Pessimists at Narzar would be Naysayers

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and an RIP for Mr Apollo

NASA PIONEER ABE SILVERSTEIN DIES AT 92
JUNE 1, 2001 - NASA pioneer Abe Silverstein, who came up
with the name Apollo for the missions that put the first man
on the moon, has died after suffering from congestive heart
failure for many years. He was 92. According to NASA, Silver-
stein also directed efforts leading to the Mercury space
flights while working for NASA's predecessor, the National
Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. Silverstein was also
director of the NASA Lewis Research Center in Cleveland from
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