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2001\04\21@221541 by Bob Blick

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>> I would comment that it is likely Napster actually increases CD sales.

>I rather highly doubt that.  I work with a lot of people who buy lots of
>music, and have a son who's a CS major in college and lives in the "geek
>dorm".  A fair number of them no longer buy CDs at all, other than blank
>CDR media.  Some do listen to tracks from Napster and then go buy the CD,
>but it seems quite a bit less common than burning entire CDs straight from
>downloaded tracks (or those ripped from classmates' CDs).

We all know that starving students are likely to save money this way, but
how about us adults who actually pay for stuff? Instead of lumping everyone
who has downloaded an mp3 into the category of criminal, why not give
people the benefit of the doubt.

Unless you like the crap on radio or TV, it's very hard to find new music
without sampling mp3's(unless you have friends with similar tastes who buy
lots of music).

BTW, the home taping act recognizes that people copy music for friends and
it is OK. And those tapes sound better than 128kbps mp3's, and take less
time to make than downloading(unless you have a fast connection, which I
don't). When I was in school I made a lot of tapes(some of them 8-track
cartridges!), and bought some records too.

I hope I haven't broken any of James's rules with my accusatory tone and
use of the word "crap". If so, I'll consider myself having already received
"first warning" and return to my cave.

Cheerful regards,

Bob Blick

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2001\04\21@224732 by Dale Botkin

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Bob Blick wrote:

> >> I would comment that it is likely Napster actually increases CD sales.
>
> >I rather highly doubt that.  I work with a lot of people who buy lots of
> >music, and have a son who's a CS major in college and lives in the "geek
> >dorm".  A fair number of them no longer buy CDs at all, other than blank
> >CDR media.  Some do listen to tracks from Napster and then go buy the CD,
> >but it seems quite a bit less common than burning entire CDs straight from
> >downloaded tracks (or those ripped from classmates' CDs).
>
> We all know that starving students are likely to save money this way, but
> how about us adults who actually pay for stuff? Instead of lumping everyone
> who has downloaded an mp3 into the category of criminal, why not give
> people the benefit of the doubt.

I don't lump anyone into any category, Bob.  And I don't spend anything on
CDs compared to a dorm full of 18 to 22 year old geeks who live and
breathe music you can't hear on the radio.  I personally know of far more
"starving" students (hah!) with extensive CD collections that I do people
of your age or mine.  I personally don't care how many MP3s you download,
I was simply observing that claiming Napster was increasing CD sales was a
bit of a stretch to say the least.  If you buy more because of Napster and
Napster-like services, great.  I can point you to a hundred or two who buy
significantly less than they did before.  In short, you're a nice guy,
Bob, but I suspect you're statistcally insignificant.  <grin>

> Unless you like the crap on radio or TV, it's very hard to find new music
> without sampling mp3's(unless you have friends with similar tastes who buy
> lots of music).

I dunno, I like some of the crap on the radio - just not much of it that's
new, and nearly nothing on TV.  I do know you can go to most music stores
and listen to CDs before you buy them.  I'd never buy a bagpipe CD without
listening first.

Dale
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2001\04\22@120825 by Dan Michaels

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Bob Blick wrote:

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>Unless you like the crap on radio or TV, it's very hard to find new music
>without sampling mp3's(unless you have friends with similar tastes who buy
>lots of music).
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I suspect that 99.99999% of the downloads from Napster are not the
"new" music stuff you are referring to, but rather the mainstream stuff
that the kids hear on the radio or from their friends, and then want
their own copy for free - so you are probably in the 0.00001%
demographic, Bob :).

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2001\04\22@130324 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>We all know that starving students are likely to save money this way, but
>how about us adults who actually pay for stuff? Instead of lumping everyone
>who has downloaded an mp3 into the category of criminal, why not give
>people the benefit of the doubt.

       Yep! I'm 26 and buy CDs WHEN I find something on Napster I like and never seen before. Note that in Brazil, lots of good things are "out of catalog". Try to find something from Kraftwerk, Rick Wakeman, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Gentle Giant, King crimson an like. But WHEN i found something I LIKE, I go and buy the (completely overpriced) CD. Of course there are somethings that you DON"T find in CD.

>Unless you like the crap on radio or TV, it's very hard to find new music
>without sampling mp3's(unless you have friends with similar tastes who buy
>lots of music).

       That's my problem. I like mainly progressive rock. Who likes this S*** in Brazil?

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2001\04\22@170357 by Harold M Hallikainen

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:13:42 -0700 Bob Blick <bblickspamKILLspamSABER.NET> writes:
> BTW, the home taping act recognizes that people copy music for
> friends and
> it is OK.


       I assume you mean the Home Audio Recording Act of 1992. Can you point
out the section that states this?

Thanks!

Harold

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2001\04\22@172055 by Bob Blick

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Yes, here it is:
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Section 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions

No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of
copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a
digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog
recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the
noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making
digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.
..........
There's also a 3% surcharge on the price of blank tape, to offset the
expected amount of sharing that goes on. Read the whole thing if you like,
it's typical legal drivel and hard to read.

How's that?

Cheerful regards,

Bob

At 01:42 PM 4/22/2001 -0700, you wrote:
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2001\04\22@221342 by Bob Ammerman

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> BTW, the home taping act recognizes that people copy music for friends and
> it is OK.

What is the "home taping act" and in what country does it apply?

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems
(contract development of high performance, high function, low-level
software)

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2001\04\22@223839 by Bob Blick

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At 10:06 PM 4/22/2001 -0400, Bob Ammerman wrote:
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>> BTW, the home taping act recognizes that people copy music for friends and
>> it is OK.
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>What is the "home taping act" and in what country does it apply?

Right here in the USA, Bob. Perhaps a Canadian can tell us how it works
there, but I believe their law is similar in that regard. It's a way of
preventing the criminalization of every college student :-) Here's the
applicable section:
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Section 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions

No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of
copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a
digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog
recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the
noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making
digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.
........

-Bob

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2001\04\23@012125 by Damon Hopkins

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that's why napster lost I'm guessing (didn't really follow it much)
because they basically wanted to make a profit on distributing the
information through their system.. The thing is that the Music recording
industry could claim that the ISP's were making a profit because they
sold the internet connection needed to download the music.

               Damon Hopkins

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2001\04\23@040034 by Roman Black

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Bob Blick wrote:

> Section 1008. Prohibition on certain infringement actions
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> No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of
> copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a
> digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog
> recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the
> noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making
> digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings.


Bingo. Note "non-commercial" use. If I make a recording
of a CD I own and you make a recording of one you own,
and as friends we swap recordings one day, this is all
non-commercial. All legal.

And speaking of the judge, that is why users of Napster
were not prosecuted, they were not offenders. Napster
doesn't copy stuff, it simply allows people who already
have copies to swap them with each other with more ease.

Many times in my life a friend has given me a tape of
a good CD and I liked it so much I bought the CD for
myself. And sometimes I didn't. The same happens now
with (inferior remember!) MP3 copies of music.

The "illegal" part of Napster was that the Napster
organisation was making millions from people utilising
their services, and hence Napster organisation was
violating the "non-commercial" side of things.
Individuals are still within their rights to make
personal copies and even swap them with friends
sometimes.
-Roman

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2001\04\23@115946 by Byron A Jeff

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> > BTW, the home taping act recognizes that people copy music for friends and
> > it is OK.
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> What is the "home taping act" and in what country does it apply?

It's the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992. Passed by the US Congress and
signed by Clinton I believe. It's other significant contribution
was the enforcement of serial copying and tariff on blank DAT tapes that
esentially killed DAT as audio recording mechanism. The serial copying forced
all consumer DAT recorders to disallow digital to digital copying of tapes.
Even if the original tape wasn't a commercial product. It really sucked.

In short, you can make copies of your CD's. You can even give away limited
copies to friends and family. However widescale distribution and for profit
distribution are still disallowed.

BAJ

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2001\04\23@205940 by Larry Williams

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Isn't there a napster list you guys can go to or send your napster stuff
just to each other. That has abosolutely nothing to do with pics.

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2001\04\24@172524 by Byron A Jeff

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> Isn't there a napster list you guys can go to or send your napster
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> just to each other. That has abosolutely nothing to do with pics.

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2001\04\30@163341 by Bruce Cannon

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> Isn't there a napster list you guys can go to or send your napster stuff
> just to each other. That has abosolutely nothing to do with pics.

I have found this thread fascinating and relevant.  Thanks guys (people).

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