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'[OT]: NOPPP9x on Win2000'
2002\06\17@215006 by Tony Goetz

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Hey guys,
Just got a new computer and put Windows 2000 on it (oh I *do* love trying to
find everything I used to have and then installing it). One of the things I
came across was NOPPP9x, something which I've gotten used to and would like
to continue using. Yet, I get errors when trying to run it. Realizing that
it's NOPPP9x and not NOPPP2k, is it a problem with using Windows 2000 or am I
still just missing libraries and stuff? Thanks

-Tony

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2002\06\17@221640 by Rick C.

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With W2k you will have no direct access (dos) to the printer port.
Rick

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2002\06\17@222053 by Pic Dude

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Check the archives -- think this was covered recently, and
is due to win2k not allowing direct access to the HW ports
as Win95 etc would.

Cheers,
-Neil.


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2002\06\17@222512 by Tony Goetz

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Darn. I thought I remembered that but hoped I wasn't remembering right! I
guess I could set up the old computer as my dedicated development
computer....
Thanks,
-Tony



> Check the archives -- think this was covered recently, and
> is due to win2k not allowing direct access to the HW ports
> as Win95 etc would.
>
> Cheers,
> -Neil.

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2002\06\17@234348 by Pic Dude

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[Battle gear securely on.]

L I N U X ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
It's a dedicated development box for now, and hasn't been rebooted a month
or two now.  Try that with Win-whatever <sneid-looking smiley goes here>.  I
use MPASM on dosemu, and pp-0.6 (linux version) to dump the hex files to the
chip.  Yes, there are other ways, arguably better, but this was relatively
easy to setup, works well, and is *stable*.

Cheers,
-Neil "Battle suit will remain on, cause someone will bite" N.




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2002\06\17@235621 by Tony Goetz

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LoL, I'm not going to bite. I've used Windows and I like it cause I'm
familiar with it, but I can see where Linux would be useful. Eh, but other
than programming Pic's and maybe running Pic development programs I don't
have much need for it. Then again, the computer will most likely go up on the
network as a print server in which case Linux could have its advantages. I'd
like to be able to boot it up and not worry about it again for a long time.
Any chance Win2k could do that? Oh yes, and it's a Pent133, 32mb of Ram.
Let's see what we can do with that....

-Tony


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2002\06\18@082357 by M. Adam Davis

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There are a few other options.

First, there are utilities that allow dos programs direct port access
under win2k/xp, one of which is mentioned by David Tait for his
programmer software FPP:
********* Taken from FPP.ZIP's readme.htm
FPP fiddles with I/O ports directly and while this is tolerated under
Win95/98/Me, it is a definite no-no on NT-like versions of Windows. To
get around this the program looks for and uses a special driver called
"GIVEIO.SYS" which can be downloaded asdirectio.zip
<http://www.ddj.com/ftp/1996/1996.05/directio.zip> from the Dr Dobb's
Journal archive. You only need this driver if you use Windows NT,
Windows 2000 or Windows XP. The driver can be installed in a variety of
ways but I used a program called "LOADDRV.EXE" (one source of this
program is loaddrv.zip <http://pages.zoom.co.uk/andyc/loaddrv.zip>). The
method I used was as follows:

   * Copy GIVEIO.SYS to a folder (for example SYSTEM32 in the Windows
     system folder)
   * Run LOADDRV, specify the full path name of GIVEIO.SYS, and hit
     install
   * Reboot
   * Run the Device Manager (from the hardware tab of the System
     control panel item)
   * Select the menu option to show hidden devices
   * Look for "giveio" under non-plug&play drivers, right click and
     select properties
   * Using the driver tab of the properties sheet select Automatic
   * Reboot

*********

The program using the driver has to be aware of it, however.  I don't
know who recompiled NOPPP for windows but they may have done something
similar.  I've heard that there are drivers for programs that have no
special knowledge of that situation, check out Jan Axelson's web site on
the parallel port, IIRC she has a similar driver.

The second option is to use David Taits software which is compatible
with a wide variety of cheap PIC programmers, though I don't see him
spell out the particular settings for the NOPPP I imagine it would work
fine.  It may not have all the self test features of the NOPPP program,
though.  His software can be found here:
http://people.man.ac.uk/~mbhstdj/piclinks.html

Hope this helps.

-Adam

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2002\06\19@134702 by Peter L. Peres

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On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Pic Dude wrote:

>[Battle gear securely on.]
>
>L I N U X ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
>It's a dedicated development box for now, and hasn't been rebooted a month
>or two now.  Try that with Win-whatever <sneid-looking smiley goes here>.  I
>use MPASM on dosemu, and pp-0.6 (linux version) to dump the hex files to the

You can use MPLAB in wine.

>chip.  Yes, there are other ways, arguably better, but this was relatively
>easy to setup, works well, and is *stable*.
>
>Cheers,
>-Neil "Battle suit will remain on, cause someone will bite" N.

Peter

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