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'[OT]: MSP430F112 / 149 16 bit Micro from TI'
2000\10\13@104459 by David Pearson (SKYTRONICS)

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Hi,
   Has anyone had any experience with the MSP430F112 or MSP430F149 micros?.
They look interesting.  Low power. OK speed.  12 bit A/D.
Has anyone actually bought any?  If so, how much are they and where did you get
them?
I'm looking for a lower power micro than the PIC.  Any info on the TI parts is
appreciated.

Regards,
Dave

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2000\10\13@134715 by Kris Wilk

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Dave,

Rob Severson (here on PIClist) has mentioned the MSP430 series a couple of
times, once in response to a question of mine regarding low power and
flexible clock options I needed for a project. I looked into them and got
the flash emulation kit (MSP-FET430X110 I think...) for $49 direct from TI,
which is a fabulous deal. Comes with everything you need to develop/burn
software for their flash chips including a slick development software set
that does Assembler and C (though the C compiler is a limited version that
compiles up to 1kb of generated code...still very nice). There is very
little outside information about these chips, but if you look at the TI
website, there's plenty of (quite well written) documentation, several
sample applications, and a lot of useful tidbits of code for various maths,
I/O (I2C, UART, SPI.....), etc.

I have now used both the MSP430F1101 and MSP430F1121 flash devices with
beautiful results. I can keep an RTC going in software and wake up every
once in a while to process data at 1MHz or so on an internal RC Osc (tuned
using the 32kHz watch crystal as a solid reference), and I use about 1-2 uA
in doze mode, or 0.4 mA when fully active at 1 MHz. Very low power, to say
the least! Hell, I can put the thing to sleep at 0.1 uA and it'll come to
life from an interrupt in < 6 uS to full active state...

I also like the instruction set. Very clean, lots of addressing modes to
play with, and ends up making my code a lot more human friendly than my PIC
code for most tasks. Plus I can run on the full clock speed rather than
clk/4, though some instructions do take a couple or three cycles to
complete. Remember that if you run the 430 at 5 Mhz with a crystal, that's
pretty much like running a PIC at 20 MHz, so they're really on par with the
PIC speed-wise.

I can also fiddle with all sorts of clock modes that divide down and use
either the crystal or the onboard RC. I can even change which source the
CPU uses on the fly, so if I need to process data with time accuracy I can
switch the CPU to the xtal and then back to the RC for fast, regular code.
Cool. Very cool.

If you can't tell yet, I love these chips. And the price is right: I can
get the 4kb FLASH F1121 for about $3-4 or better in *ones*. At 10000 pcs,
the F1101 (1 kb flash) is supposed to be $0.99 each. That's with 16 i/o
lines, ADC, UART, flash reprogrammable, in-circuit reprogrammable, blah
blah blah, and it's a 16-bit uC rather than 8-bit. Beat that Microchip.
Availability is not great but Arrow, Allied, Rochester, Wyle and even
Digikey have in-stock a few varieties, and lead times don't appear to be
too bad for others, at least for the 1101 and 1121 that I've tried. I think
(hope) this will get better...

Don't get me wrong...the PIC is really nice for a lot of things, but I'm
discovering the MSP430 is often even nicer.

By the way, thanks Rob for pointing me toward the 430...well worth it. Do
you use them??

Kris Wilk
ReefNet Inc.
http://www.reefnet.on.ca

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2000\10\13@142250 by Severson, Rob

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Kris:

> Rob Severson (here on PIClist) has mentioned the MSP430

Must be a different Rob Severson. I'd *NEVER* talk about any other micro
other than the PIC!!

O.K. It was me.

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> By the way, thanks Rob for pointing me toward the 430...well
> worth it. Do
> you use them??

In one formal project. And only a little in my spare (HA!) time.

-Rob

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2000\10\13@143515 by WF AUTOMACAO

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I have started a study about the MSP430...i did some little programs and the
speed is exceptional...

Miguel
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Assunto: Re: [OT]: MSP430F112 / 149 16 bit Micro from TI


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micros?.
>>They look interesting.  Low power. OK speed.  12 bit A/D.
>>Has anyone actually bought any?  If so, how much are they and where did
>>you get
>>them?
>>I'm looking for a lower power micro than the PIC.  Any info on the TI
parts is
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2000\10\13@155823 by Bruce Cannon

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Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but someone has started a
discussion group/page for this part:

http://msp430.com/

Bruce Cannon
Style Management Systems
http://siliconcrucible.com
(510) 787-6870
1228 Ceres ST Crockett CA 94525

Remember: electronics is changing your world...for good!

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2000\10\14@090410 by Kris Wilk

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Thanks for setting up the eGroup! I really think anyone who's into PICs
ought to consider the MSP430 too... The learning curve for these chips is
really pretty smooth from the PIC, and I was up-and-running in a week with
at least the proficiency I have on PICs: you can do a lot of things SO much
easier on these devices.

I hope I don't start to get ticking packages in my mailbox for talking like
this in the PIC temple. :)

Kris

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2000\10\14@202700 by Bruce Cannon

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No problem!

I hope you and other MSP430 users join and help out.  I've only been working
with the part for a couple of weeks but I'm already very impressed and
somewhat intimidated, frankly; the PICLIST is invaluable for getting over
the complexity hurdles within Mchips parts, and no matter how nice a part it
is the MSP430 isn't going anywhere without some developer community!  TI is
very old-school in that way; I can't figure out how any company can watch
Microchip and not learn.

As I mentioned in a posting to another category, the new eGroup for the TI
MSP430xxx is at http://www.egroups.com/group/msp430.

Bruce Cannon
Style Management Systems
http://siliconcrucible.com
(510) 787-6870
1228 Ceres ST Crockett CA 94525

Remember: electronics is changing your world...for good!

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