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'[OT]: Leopard vs XP'
2008\02\02@133537 by Andre Abelian

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Hi to all,

A few times I worked with mac in the past for some reason I never  
liked it and about
a month ago I bought macpro and installed xp with dual boot. Now I  
hate xp leopard
os is far advance os. More I work with mac more I like it. I have a  
few network hard drives
I never could copy entire directory with windows explore always  
stopped with  error
bla bla bla but using mac with leopard did the job.

Andre


2008\02\02@214328 by Matt Pobursky

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On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 10:35:14 -0800, Andre Abelian wrote:
> Hi to all,
>
> A few times I worked with mac in the past for some reason I never liked
> it and about a month ago I bought macpro and installed xp with dual boot.
> Now I hate xp leopard os is far advance os. More I work with mac more I
> like it. I have a few network hard drives I never could copy entire
> directory with windows explore always stopped with  error bla bla bla but
> using mac with leopard did the job.

The only problem with the Leopard OS is that it doesn't run on my PC. ;-)

It could, but I'll probably be dust before Apple would ever let that
happen. Oh, we can only dream...

It would certainly make the OS landscape much more interesting if it ever
came to pass. I could see Microsoft losing a significant market share in a
short time. Regardless, we would at least have a choice then.

Matt Pobursky
Maximum Performance Systems

2008\02\02@230340 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Feb 3, 2008 10:43 AM, Matt Pobursky <spam_OUTpiclistTakeThisOuTspammps-design.com> wrote:
> The only problem with the Leopard OS is that it doesn't run on my PC. ;-)
>
> It could, but I'll probably be dust before Apple would ever let that
> happen. Oh, we can only dream...
>
> It would certainly make the OS landscape much more interesting if it ever
> came to pass. I could see Microsoft losing a significant market share in a
> short time. Regardless, we would at least have a choice then.

I am not so sure if that will happen or not. Part of the reason that
Apple Mac OS X is stable comes from the fact that it controls the
hardware and quite some part of software (part of the reasons is that
it uses part of FreeBSD kernel).

If Apple opens up the OS and let third party hardware
comes in, it has to deal with not-so-stable hardware drivers.
and third-party drivers.

I am a firm believer that Mac OS X is always a niche and that is
why it is successful so far. Linux will probably be much more popular
than Mac OS X in the future. I am thinking that it will take over
30% of the market in 5 to 10 years with Mac OS X always below
10%.

Xiaofan

2008\02\02@231714 by cdb

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:: The only problem with the Leopard OS is that it doesn't run on my
:: PC. ;-)

This just addresses a question I asked elsewhere. what is the difference between a Mac Intel core duo and a Wintel machine with core duo as far as the OS is concerned. Does it require a Macc'ed BIOS or are the motherboards totally different?

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2008\02\02@233220 by Forrest W Christian

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cdb wrote:
> This just addresses a question I asked elsewhere. what is the difference between a Mac Intel core duo and a Wintel machine with core duo as far as the OS is concerned. Does it require a Macc'ed BIOS or are the motherboards totally different?

Evidentally certain (most?) PC's will run Leopard just fine, after
making a small change to the operating system...

Not talking from personal experience here doing it myself, but I *have*
seen a PC running Leopard.

-forrest

2008\02\02@235326 by William \Chops\ Westfield

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On Feb 2, 2008, at 6:43 PM, Matt Pobursky wrote:

> It could, but I'll probably be dust before Apple would ever let that
> happen. Oh, we can only dream... [MACOSX running on commodity HW.]
>
> It would certainly make the OS landscape much more interesting if  
> it ever
> came to pass. I could see Microsoft losing a significant market  
> share in a
> short time.

I suspect that you would discover in short order why windows is so  
popular with HW vendors; there's a hell of a lot it does "invisibly"  
to support a huge range of third-party stuff that macos would  
probably just choke on.

BillW

2008\02\03@121506 by Andre Abelian

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Bill,

As far as discovering things I found that windows takes about 3 minutes to
boot completely using quad xeon processor 4 gig ram and mac takes 20 seconds
and every things ready to use. I noticed more software installed longer
takes to boot "windows" but mac has no effect at all.

Thanks

Andre  

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2008\02\03@130602 by Chris Smolinski

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Not to mention "installing" software on the Mac
usually means drag and drop (or just download and
go) vs running an installer that sticks hundreds
of DLLs and other files who knows where. Likewise
uninstalling means dragging the app into the
trash.

I use Parallels to run Win2k for any windows-only
software (such as EDA). And I certainly don't run
an email client under the virtual windows, and a
web browser only when absolutely necessary. It's
just too dangerous ;-)


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2008\02\03@204225 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Feb 4, 2008 2:05 AM, Chris Smolinski <csmolinskispamKILLspamblackcatsystems.com> wrote:
> I use Parallels to run Win2k for any windows-only
> software (such as EDA). And I certainly don't run
> an email client under the virtual windows, and a
> web browser only when absolutely necessary. It's
> just too dangerous ;-)
>

I think this is a good way to run Mac OS X -- still
use Windows for what Windows is better at (supporting
more third party software). So you are happy,
Apple is happy and Microsoft is also happy. ;-)

It (using VMs) can be a good way to run Linux
as well -- to use Linux where it is better and to
use Windows when it is necessary.

But personally I do not like VMs since I can
use dual boot.

Xiaofan

2008\02\03@212008 by Brian B. Riley

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I run OSX leopard on an original issue MacBook Pro and run XP under  
Bootcamp (essentially dual boot) for more or less the reasons stated.  
I  DO NOT run VMs because none of them have  reliable USB to run the  
various programming adapters I need for my development work.

On Feb 3, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Xiaofan Chen wrote:

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2008\02\03@235438 by Xiaofan Chen

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On Feb 4, 2008 10:19 AM, Brian B. Riley <EraseMEbrianbrspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTmac.com> wrote:
> I run OSX leopard on an original issue MacBook Pro and run XP under
> Bootcamp (essentially dual boot) for more or less the reasons stated.
> I  DO NOT run VMs because none of them have  reliable USB to run the
> various programming adapters I need for my development work.
>

It seems now Macs are getting a bit more popular due to the fact now it
can run Windows as well.

As for VMs, it is said that VMware under Linux host works fine with quite
some USB device with Windows guest OS, including Microchip ICD2 and
Real ICE. Maybe Parallels will catch up with VMware in the future.

Xiaofan

2008\02\04@144012 by Herbert Graf

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On Sun, 2008-02-03 at 21:19 -0500, Brian B. Riley wrote:
> I run OSX leopard on an original issue MacBook Pro and run XP under  
> Bootcamp (essentially dual boot) for more or less the reasons stated.  
> I  DO NOT run VMs because none of them have  reliable USB to run the  
> various programming adapters I need for my development work.

Interesting. VMWare worked well with both the ICD2 and another USB
programming cable for another platform (I believe it was one of the
Renesas cables). This was a virtualized Win2k running under Fedora, I
think ver 5.

There have been tremendous improvements in VMware in the past year,
perhaps you should give it another try?

TTYL

2008\02\04@173624 by dpharris

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VMware works well for me -- I actually bought a copy :-)

David

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