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'[OT]: Ideas for car security'
2001\02\11@221151 by Jinx

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Not impossible in a car

http://www.geocities.com/osz/rob2/wanted.htm

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2001\02\11@222436 by Sean Breheny

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WOW! Those guys didn't notice the web cam? I guess they assumed it was off.
Those are some pretty good photos! I like how many of them show the full
face, I bet it was because they were contemplating taking the computer,
so they spent a lot of time looking at it. That's another point, this
method fails if they take the computer.

Sean


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2001\02\11@234711 by Jinx

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> WOW! Those guys didn't notice the web cam? I guess they
> assumed it was off. Those are some pretty good photos! I like
> how many of them show the full face, I bet it was because they
> were contemplating taking the computer, so they spent a lot
> of time looking at it. That's another point, this method fails if
> they take the computer.
>
> Sean

This was set up as a home alarm and his system e-mailed him
at work that a burglary had taken place. The burglars did turn
the puter off but didn't steal it. If they had he wouldn't have the
pics I assume, unless he was also e-mailed those too

With web connectivity getting easier it would be quite practical
to install a battery-powered system like this in a vehicle, such
as a goods truck or flash sedan, or anywhere for that matter. I
did look into something like this a few years ago (non-www
though) using an auto-dialler and low-res video down the phone
line. But I suppose it's the "won't happen to me" syndrome
that stops people in general installing alarms. Sure, they'll put
one in AFTER the first burglary

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2001\02\12@001109 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hmmm, I see. I have long wondered why sophisticated alarm systems are
necessary for cars. Is it that simple measures like "the club" don't work?
I have always found the argument "if they see the club, they will just move
on to another car because it's easier" pretty convincing. After all, isn't
it true that the cars with the highest rate of theft (thefts per 1000 cars)
are relatively cheap cars, so there aren't many crooks out there who are
willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car?

Sean


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2001\02\12@005115 by Jinx

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> Hmmm, I see. I have long wondered why sophisticated alarm
> systems are necessary for cars. Is it that simple measures like
> "the club" don't work? I have always found the argument "if they
> see the club, they will just move on to another car because it's
> easier" pretty convincing. After all, isn't it true that the cars with
>  the highest rate of theft (thefts per 1000 cars) are relatively
> cheap cars, so there aren't many crooks out there who are
> willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car?
>
> Sean

From the demos I've seen by ex-thieves, the Club is a minor
irritant. Breaking the Club itself isn't always necessary (and
I believe they are fairly easily breakable), it's simply a matter
of bending the steering wheel out from under it. As for alarms,
even if it goes off (a) good luck if anyone comes to have a
look or get involved (b) a competent thief will be away in
seconds with either the car or the contents. A recent BBC
program I saw had only one car out of 40, (I forget what it was,
either a BMW or Volvo) that had good enough disablement
and could not be driven away. All the other 39 were gone in
less than a minute. Nothing stopped entry to a vehicle. And
yes, it's always the poor working stiff's car that gets swiped.
In NZ/UK it used to be Hunters, Escorts, Cortinas, Corollas
and Civics. Affordable cars with a good resale black market.
So perhaps toughen up to the fact that your motor may
disappear, and concentrate on identifying who's got it

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2001\02\12@043122 by Oluseyi Odeinde

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I have often wondered y the wheel clamp has not been extended as a form of
car security!

seyi

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2001\02\12@045028 by Jinx

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> I have often wondered y the wheel clamp has not been
> extended as a form of car security!

Not a bad thought. If the professionals like the look of your
car they'll just tow it or hoist it on a flatbed (rash of m/bikes
taken like that last year in NZ, especially Harleys and big
Brit bikes) so you'd need one back and front. For a few
seconds of cheeky work to get many thousands worth
of prime machinery you can't under-estimate thieves.

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2001\02\12@045442 by spam

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Look to South Africa for Car Security.
One of the big sales items is an airbag mounted over the drivers
seat. When not disabled, you get a nasty surprise when trying to
drive away. The Darwin Awards has a nice description of a thief,
who found it to be a proper response to fire his 9-mm gun several
times. Unfortunately, he did not get it out of his pocket first. Cost
him a kneecap and parts of his p*****.

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2001\02\12@050520 by Jinx

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> Look to South Africa for Car Security.

> him a kneecap and parts of his p*****.

Aw, shame

I see they outlawed the anti-carjacking flame gun. For those
who haven't seen it, it was a row of gas burners mounted
under the sill between the front and rear wheels. If anyone
tries to hijack the car (an epidemic in SA) when you're in it,
you push a button and two big sheets of yellow flame10ft
high fire out very ferociously and incinerate anyone/anything
either side of the car. Charming. Still, thieves aren't content
with depriving you of just property these days, they'll take your
life too if the fancy strikes them. And it does

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2001\02\12@052635 by Bill Westfield

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Anybody know what percentage of car breakins are actually attempted
auto theft?  My impression was that the majority of the breakins were
in order to steal something IN the car (stereo, purse, whatever.)
A "club" doesn't do much about that...

BillW

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2001\02\12@070438 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Unless you catch the theiving scumbags and use the club on them..

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> Anybody know what percentage of car breakins are actually attempted
> auto theft?  My impression was that the majority of the breakins were
> in order to steal something IN the car (stereo, purse, whatever.)
> A "club" doesn't do much about that...
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> BillW
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2001\02\12@073352 by Alan B. Pearce

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>so there aren't many crooks out there who are
>willing to spend lots of time trying to steal an expensive car?

depends on wether or not they are exporting to the Eastern Bloc apparently. That
seems to be the biggest market for expensive modern cars.

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2001\02\12@074021 by Alan B. Pearce

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>As for alarms,
>even if it goes off (a) good luck if anyone comes to have a
>look or get involved (b) a competent thief will be away in
>seconds with either the car or the contents.

There was a program on one of the British channels a while back where they set
up various situations with alarms going off, and had a little old lady wandering
around trying to get passing people interested in doing something about the
situation. One of these was a car that was obviously someone's pride and joy
(read boy racer tuned) and had a couple of guys apparently trying to hot wire it
while the alarm was going. Little old lady just could not get any interest out
of any passer by in ringing the police. This went on for some considerable time
before the film crew decided to call a halt to the filming.

Moral of the story is do not rely on an alarm to protect your car, everyone just
thinks they are a nuisance.

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2001\02\12@170718 by =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9gis_Dupuis?=

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Hi sir,
   have a look to this: Car alarm security and starter remote, interesting
here
to make your prototype. See:

http://www.total.net/~reytek


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2001\02\13@054335 by Oluseyi Odeinde

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yeah, but what stops them from doing that anyway, (i.e. without the wheel
clamp)? i'm thinking of using the wheel clamp as an extra/additional form
of security and NOT the ONLY form of security.

seyi

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2001\02\13@054744 by Alok Dubey (OCS-BLRAKS-AVS)

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why not build a garage.. i have read such amazing spin offs on this one
topic!!
Alok

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