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'[OT]: How did the WTC attack affect you, technical'
2001\09\14@115826 by Quentin

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Other than the killing of innocent people, which has affected American
members of this list and also other countries (A lot of foreigners died
in WTC as well, including from here).
How far reaching did the attack affect you?
Me, here in Cape Town, SA. My internet was slowed down to a crawl, my
service provider lost a 45 Meg circuit (international link) due to fibre
optics being destroyed that ran near the WTC. All traffic has been
rerouted, cloging up our national lines. Work wise, it took me two days
to try and email my PCB files to my manufacturer and I had a tough time
looking up data sheets and other info, including piclist.com.
And a lot more trivial: I am going to miss viewing the beast of an
aircraft carrier, the USS Enterprise, which was due to call on our port
later this month and was now recalled.
Small things, I know, but the tremors from this attack runs all over the
world.

Quentin

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2001\09\14@124026 by Roman Black

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Well the attack has just about killed my business.
We rely on airmail of our small products to US
consumers, no airmail, no customers, no income.
:o)
-Roman


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2001\09\14@135406 by Dan Michaels

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Quentin wrote:
>Other than the killing of innocent people, which has affected American
>members of this list and also other countries (A lot of foreigners died
>in WTC as well, including from here).
>How far reaching did the attack affect you?
...........


Web service seems normal. I received today 3 UPS [ground] packages
from companies all over the US - sent on tuesday in fact. Some
airlines are back in service - about 1% or so of the normal 40,000
flights/day. Luckily, "only" about 4,600 people were killed in the
WTC, out of ~50,000 or so who worked there.

The longterm impact is totally unknown at present, but once the
stock markets re-open on monday, we'll have a lot better feeling
for how things will go over the near term.

The best thing is there is no panic - I think americans don't
see the system [psychologically] as so totally centralized that
any one thing will bring it down, and we figure we'll muddle
through, no matter what.

So in this sense, terrorism has failed to have its desired effect.
A few people are calling for nutty things, but most people figure
the country can handle whatever comes.

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2001\09\14@142021 by Jim

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  "How far reaching did the attack affect you?"

o - Four upper-level management types and one regular
employee from Raytheon Corp. were aboard the flight
that crashed into the Pentagon - a friend of mine and
his wife still work for that company.

o - A noted book-writer and political researcher
Barbera Olson was also aboard that same flight - she
wrote a book in '99 called 'Hell To Pay' that covered
the politcal shenanigans (sp?) of the last 8 years,
she was a guest on the Sunday morning talking heads
shows. We will never get to hear her well-researched
opinions again ...

Jim



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2001\09\14@212803 by Dale Botkin

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On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, Dan Michaels wrote:

> So in this sense, terrorism has failed to have its desired effect.
> A few people are calling for nutty things, but most people figure
> the country can handle whatever comes.

I think it utterly failed to have its desired effect in every respect.
I'm sure the intent was to kill many thousands of people, destabilize the
American economy, demoralize the American people, tear the country apart,
kill the President, disable the military and make the Great Satan more
willing to meet their various and sundry demands.

So far they're 0 for 7 on that.  The entire episode was a great big fizzle
that will end up causing the downfall of the perpetrators.  The net effect
will be a few thousand killed (bad, bit not 20 or 50K), the economy will
see no more than a short-term blip, the people will draw closer and work
harder, the Prez survived quite well, the militart is not only intact but
**REALLY PISSED OFF**, and any sympathy they had in this country (and many
others) is pretty much gone.  A miserable failure by any standard.

Oh, and I think they've also just assured the total failure of any further
hijacking attempts, ever.  I can't imagine a planeload of passengers ever
allowing hijackers to live, knowing that they have absolutely nothing to
lose by attacking en masse.

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2001\09\15@032852 by Kathy Quinlan

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How it affects us here in Australia (and probably the rest of the world)
Petrol (Gasoline) prices have just gone up, the Arabs have just raised Crude
Oil by US$2 per barrel.

I am waiting for parts that have been grounded due to no planes leaving the
US atm.

And probably the biggest of all I will and have lost friends as the debates
split the world apart, although all the civilised world agrees, that it was
appalling what was done to the US, the fact some believe the US deserved it,
some believe they did not, some believe that we should "nuke" the middle
east, some believe only where the perpetrators lived.

I pray for the innocent killed,
I pray for no more loss of innocent lives,
I pray we call all pull together and repair damaged friendships.

Regards,

Kat.

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2001\09\15@033552 by Dave Dilatush

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Quentin wrote...

>How far reaching did the attack affect you?

1) Absolutely HUGE delays getting to all of my usual Internet news
sites, for most of Tuesday and Wednesday;  I had to wait almost a
MINUTE for some web pages to load.  It was like being back in the Dark
Ages of 56K modems;

2) Irritating delays in getting shipments while the jets were
grounded.  I actually had to wait two whole DAYS for something that
should have got here overnight; and

3) No more news stories about Gary Condit (for those of you not in the
States, Gary is the latest dipwit American politician who's managed to
make a spectacular ass of himself by doing too much of his thinking
with his "other head").

That's pretty much it: other than the horror, pain, sadness and
outrage at the attack itself, there's been... no observable effect.  
Absolutely none.

A report out of Peshawar, Pakistan quoted a mullah telling his Friday
prayers crowd, "A couple of strikes has turned America from a super
power to zero power."

Nah.

This morning the jets started flying again.  I got to work and was
sipping my morning coffee while standing at my office window, when I
heard a roaring sound- not the distant, frantic shriek of the fighters
that have been around the last few days flying CAP, but the hearty,
rumbling full-throated roar of a commercial passenger jet.  We're
barely a half-mile off the flight path of one of the runways, and I'd
gotten so used to hearing that sound, once every minute, day after
day, that I'd long ago stopped noticing it.  
But today, after three days of silence, it startled me.  I looked up.
And there it came, over the treetops:  USAirways.  A minute later,
another.  Then another.  And another...

Life is good.  And it's going to get better.  
Much, MUCH better.

DD

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2001\09\16@084701 by Alexandre Domingos F. Souza

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>>How far reaching did the attack affect you?
>1) Absolutely HUGE delays getting to all of my usual Internet news
>sites, for most of Tuesday and Wednesday;  I had to wait almost a
>MINUTE for some web pages to load.  It was like being back in the Dark
>Ages of 56K modems;

       Don't worry, in Brazil we live this age, it's not so bad anyway ;o)))

>2) Irritating delays in getting shipments while the jets were
>grounded.  I actually had to wait two whole DAYS for something that
>should have got here overnight; and

       Wow man, Ya should get some time in Brazil (Where some parts takes WEEKS to arrive) ;o)



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2001\09\16@134911 by Dave Dilatush

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Alexandre Domingos F. Souza wrote...

>>>How far reaching did the attack affect you?
>>1) Absolutely HUGE delays getting to all of my usual Internet news
>>sites, for most of Tuesday and Wednesday;  I had to wait almost a
>>MINUTE for some web pages to load.  It was like being back in the Dark
>>Ages of 56K modems;
>
>        Don't worry, in Brazil we live this age, it's not so bad anyway ;o)))

As a side note, this allegedly "wonderful" broadband service I've got
hasn't lived fully up to its billing: while the bandwidth is
fantastic, @home does very poorly on keeping its system running.  DNS
is often down, as are the e-mail servers.

I've often felt tempted to go back to dial-up, just to get better
server uptime.

When broadband works, it's fantastic; when it doesn't work, it sucks
bad gas.

>>2) Irritating delays in getting shipments while the jets were
>>grounded.  I actually had to wait two whole DAYS for something that
>>should have got here overnight; and
>
>        Wow man, Ya should get some time in Brazil (Where some parts takes WEEKS to arrive) ;o)

I hope the central message in my post didn't get obscured by the
somewhat tongue-in-cheek enumeration of my "troubles": that beyond a
lot of human pain, Tuesday's attack has had very little negative
effect.

Tomorrow, when the stock market opens, I'm going to buy, buy, BUY.

Dave

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2001\09\16@141225 by David VanHorn

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>As a side note, this allegedly "wonderful" broadband service I've got
>hasn't lived fully up to its billing: while the bandwidth is
>fantastic, @home does very poorly on keeping its system running.  DNS
>is often down, as are the e-mail servers.

You can always plug in a tertiary DNS server IP, from some other net.
I use one from an ISP that I know, theirs is practically never down.
As to mail, I see temporary interruptions, but nothing to get upset about.
My biggest problem was an intermittent service drop, which was finally
replaced.


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2001\09\16@233926 by Dan Michaels

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Dave Dilatush wrote:

>As a side note, this allegedly "wonderful" broadband service I've got
>hasn't lived fully up to its billing: while the bandwidth is
>fantastic, @home does very poorly on keeping its system running.  DNS
>is often down, as are the e-mail servers.
>

Dave, is this the same @home that lost $10 billion over the
past 3 years, is currently looking for $50 million so it can
keep going another 3 months, bought Blue Mountain Arts for
$1 billion a year ago [$750 million in cash] and sold it this
week for $35 million?

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2001\09\17@060434 by Dave Dilatush

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Dan Michaels wrote...

>Dave, is this the same @home that lost $10 billion over the
>past 3 years, is currently looking for $50 million so it can
>keep going another 3 months, bought Blue Mountain Arts for
>$1 billion a year ago [$750 million in cash] and sold it this
>week for $35 million?

Gosh, I don't know; but those sure sound like the sort of financial
results one might expect from this outfit's performance.

Dave

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