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2000\11\01@084919 by Mark Skeels

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How 'Bout this....

**************************************

A NASDAQ-traded company has finally unveiled its long-touted and highly
controversial "Digital Angel" -- a subdermal microchip implant designed not
merely for keeping tabs on pets, but for widespread, worldwide use in
tracking human beings.

The high-tech device, engineered by Applied Digital Solutions, Inc. had its
debut Monday before an overflow crowd of more than 300 invited guests at
Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City.

The audience included U.S. Secretary of Commerce Norman Mineta, who
addressed the crowd, as well as other government officials, potential
joint-venture/licensing partners and press representatives.

Richard J. Sullivan, Applied Digital Solutions' chairman and CEO, waxed
eloquent about the market potential of Digital Angel, claiming the company
has "uncovered a total marketplace that is conservatively estimated to
exceed $70 billion."

Randy Geissler, chairman and CEO of Digital Angel.net Inc., a wholly owned
subsidiary, zeroed in on potential applications.

"Our analysis shows that we are well-positioned to move quickly into certain
applications while developing a number of others. Two areas of particular
interest are in the healthcare arena," he said, "monitoring heart disease
and respiratory disease patients." The tracking and monitoring of pets, he
added, is also "right up our alley."

The demonstration, which was conducted by Dr. Peter Zhou and Dr. Keith
Bolton, showed how Digital Angel "can be used to monitor a person's key body
functions -- such as temperature and pulse -- and transmit that data
wirelessly, on a real time basis, along with the accurate location of the
person, to a web-enabled ground station or monitoring facility," according
to a press statement.

The technology consists of a miniature sensor device, designed to be
implanted just under the skin, that captures and wirelessly transmits the
"wearer's" vital body-function data, such as body temperature or pulse, to
an Internet-integrated ground station. In addition, the antenna receives
information regarding the location of the individual from the GPS satellite.
Both sets of data -- medical information and location -- are then wirelessly
transmitted to the ground station and made available on Web-enabled desktop,
laptop or wireless devices.


Mark Skeels
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2000\11\01@085754 by Andrew Kunz

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Did you make this up?  If not, whence cometh it?

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How 'Bout this....

**************************************

A NASDAQ-traded company has finally unveiled its long-touted and highly
controversial "Digital Angel" -- a subdermal microchip implant designed not
merely for keeping tabs on pets, but for widespread, worldwide use in
tracking human beings.

The high-tech device, engineered by Applied Digital Solutions, Inc. had its
debut Monday before an overflow crowd of more than 300 invited guests at
Cipriani 42nd Street in New York City.

The audience included U.S. Secretary of Commerce Norman Mineta, who
addressed the crowd, as well as other government officials, potential
joint-venture/licensing partners and press representatives.

Richard J. Sullivan, Applied Digital Solutions' chairman and CEO, waxed
eloquent about the market potential of Digital Angel, claiming the company
has "uncovered a total marketplace that is conservatively estimated to
exceed $70 billion."

Randy Geissler, chairman and CEO of Digital Angel.net Inc., a wholly owned
subsidiary, zeroed in on potential applications.

"Our analysis shows that we are well-positioned to move quickly into certain
applications while developing a number of others. Two areas of particular
interest are in the healthcare arena," he said, "monitoring heart disease
and respiratory disease patients." The tracking and monitoring of pets, he
added, is also "right up our alley."

The demonstration, which was conducted by Dr. Peter Zhou and Dr. Keith
Bolton, showed how Digital Angel "can be used to monitor a person's key body
functions -- such as temperature and pulse -- and transmit that data
wirelessly, on a real time basis, along with the accurate location of the
person, to a web-enabled ground station or monitoring facility," according
to a press statement.

The technology consists of a miniature sensor device, designed to be
implanted just under the skin, that captures and wirelessly transmits the
"wearer's" vital body-function data, such as body temperature or pulse, to
an Internet-integrated ground station. In addition, the antenna receives
information regarding the location of the individual from the GPS satellite.
Both sets of data -- medical information and location -- are then wirelessly
transmitted to the ground station and made available on Web-enabled desktop,
laptop or wireless devices.


Mark Skeels
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2000\11\01@090209 by Mark Skeels

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see the article about the "Digital Angel" at...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com

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> merely for keeping tabs on pets, but for widespread, worldwide use in
> tracking human beings.
>
> The high-tech device, engineered by Applied Digital Solutions, Inc. had
its
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certain
> applications while developing a number of others. Two areas of particular
> interest are in the healthcare arena," he said, "monitoring heart disease
> and respiratory disease patients." The tracking and monitoring of pets, he
> added, is also "right up our alley."
>
> The demonstration, which was conducted by Dr. Peter Zhou and Dr. Keith
> Bolton, showed how Digital Angel "can be used to monitor a person's key
body
> functions -- such as temperature and pulse -- and transmit that data
> wirelessly, on a real time basis, along with the accurate location of the
> person, to a web-enabled ground station or monitoring facility," according
> to a press statement.
>
> The technology consists of a miniature sensor device, designed to be
> implanted just under the skin, that captures and wirelessly transmits the
> "wearer's" vital body-function data, such as body temperature or pulse, to
> an Internet-integrated ground station. In addition, the antenna receives
> information regarding the location of the individual from the GPS
satellite.
> Both sets of data -- medical information and location -- are then
wirelessly
> transmitted to the ground station and made available on Web-enabled
desktop,
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2000\11\01@114610 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Mark Skeels wrote:

> How 'Bout this....
>
> **************************************
>
> A NASDAQ-traded company has finally unveiled its long-touted and highly
> controversial "Digital Angel" -- a subdermal microchip implant designed not
> merely for keeping tabs on pets, but for widespread, worldwide use in
> tracking human beings.

"Angel", my arse.  Quite the opposite, in fact.

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2000\11\01@115039 by mike

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:47:23 -0600, you wrote:

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Sounds like a scam or a hoax  - I'd like to see anyone make a GPS
receiver and PSU small enough to be implanted inconspicuously into
anything smaller than an elephant.
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2000\11\01@131844 by Bruce Cannon

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That was pretty interesting, but I browsed the source a bit: I think I'd
need to read about the technology somewhere other than a wacko-Christian web
site.  "World Net Daily" my foot.

Bruce Cannon
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2000\11\01@145110 by Andy Howard

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> That was pretty interesting, but I browsed the source a bit: I think I'd
> need to read about the technology somewhere other than a wacko-Christian
web
> site.  "World Net Daily" my foot.



I thought much the same thing, but for once it seems the whackos have stuck
fairly closely to the press release.

http://www.adsx.com/ADSX/CDA/News/news_index/0,1136,559,00.html

There's more sanitised-for-your-comfort info at http://www.digitalangel.net/

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2000\11\01@150232 by Mark Skeels

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> That was pretty interesting, but I browsed the source a bit: I think I'd
> need to read about the technology somewhere other than a wacko-Christian
web
> site.  "World Net Daily" my foot.
>

(Perhaps this is futile, but here goes...)

I don't make any claims for the website, Christian or not, but for my money,
you'll find a lot more truth here than in most of the mainstream media.

And what if you checked out "the source" and found that other sources
confirmed it? Would your judgement be correct then?

As for wacko Christianity, did you know you're mentioned in the bible,
Bruce?

2PE 3:3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with
{their} mocking, following after their own lusts,
2PE 3:4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For {ever} since
the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of
creation."


You like to check out source material; It might be worth checking out the
prime source of Wacko Christianity....

Mark

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2000\11\01@180435 by Andy Howard

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> > That was pretty interesting, but I browsed the source a bit: I think I'd
> > need to read about the technology somewhere other than a wacko-Christian
> web
> > site.  "World Net Daily" my foot.
> >
>
> (Perhaps this is futile, but here goes...)
>
> I don't make any claims for the website, Christian or not, but for my
money,
> you'll find a lot more truth here than in most of the mainstream media.
>
> And what if you checked out "the source" and found that other sources
> confirmed it? Would your judgement be correct then?
>
> As for wacko Christianity, did you know you're mentioned in the bible,
> Bruce?
>
> 2PE 3:3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come
with
> {their} mocking, following after their own lusts,
> 2PE 3:4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For {ever} since
> the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning
of
> creation."
>
>
> You like to check out source material; It might be worth checking out the
> prime source of Wacko Christianity....


I've read it straight through a couple of times - and very interesting it
was too.

For example, the "Good Book" appears to approve of oppressing women, race
hate, incest and the slaughter of children. If you were to rate it on the
same scale that capalert.com rates movies it would score much the same as
many adult-rated releases.

It also forbids women wearing male clothing, the cutting of men's hair and
beards, wearing more than one type of cloth, eating meat with dairy products
(no beef stroganov, croque monsieur, Bolognese with parmesan, or
cheeseburger then), charging or paying interest on loans, and eating shrimp,
lobster, crab, rabbit or pig amongst other things.

It seems to me that most folks are very selective about which parts of "the
prime source of Wacko Christianity" they are willing to observe and which
they choose conveniently to overlook.

You can find the book/chapter references for some of the above examples, as
well as other interesting questions about the bible, at
http://www.cygnus-study.com/pagehiero.shtml. The author's style is a little
smug but the questions are interesting and well researched for the most
part.







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2000\11\01@180743 by Jinx

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From: Andrew Kunz

> Did you make this up?  If not, whence cometh it?
>
> Andy
>
> A NASDAQ-traded company has finally unveiled its long-touted and highly
> controversial "Digital Angel" -- a subdermal microchip implant designed
not
> merely for keeping tabs on pets, but for widespread, worldwide use in
> tracking human beings.

This was also mentioned in the original link

http://cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,245217-412,00.shtml

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2000\11\01@182139 by Lance Allen

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Andy Howard wrote:

>
>
> I've read it straight through a couple of times - and very interesting it
> was too.
>
> For example, the "Good Book" appears to approve of oppressing women, race
> hate, incest and the slaughter of children. If you were to rate it on the
> same scale that capalert.com rates movies it would score much the same as
> many adult-rated releases.
>
> It also forbids women wearing male clothing, the cutting of men's hair and
> beards, wearing more than one type of cloth, eating meat with dairy products
> (no beef stroganov, croque monsieur, Bolognese with parmesan, or
> cheeseburger then), charging or paying interest on loans, and eating shrimp,
> lobster, crab, rabbit or pig amongst other things.
>
> It seems to me that most folks are very selective about which parts of "the
> prime source of Wacko Christianity" they are willing to observe and which
> they choose conveniently to overlook.

You have crossed a line Andy... take your offensive drivel off the
list..........please.

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2000\11\01@192628 by Andy Howard

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> You have crossed a line Andy... take your offensive drivel off the
> list..........please.


I apologise unreservedly Lance. Sorry. It was no part of my intention to
offend.
Rather it was to offer an alternative view of a subject that interests me
greatly and which still - after many years and much reading - I haven't
managed to get a proper handle on.

The "wacko" phrase wasn't mine BTW, it was a quote from the poster I replied
to.

Again, sorry for the offence.








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2000\11\01@202421 by Bruce Cannon

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Everyone:

Bizarre to get an absolutely immediate personal warning from JN!  He must
have some Echelon filters set up (or be out of work right now).

I'd like to state for the record (without using any disallowed words), that
because I said that an apple was red DOESN'T mean I think all apples are
red!  I'm a type of fruit myself.  But I'm also a technologist and I
understand the need for, and endorse, the separation of fruit and state
machines.

In all seriousness, my comments were directed at the inappropriateness of
the presentation of biased opinion masquerading as objective reporting.
That's all.  All slurs toward anyone else retracted!  And frankly I think
the prohibition aginst discussion of "apples" on the list is a good one and
I'm sorry I commented.

But why didn't the messages from on high come down when everyone was getting
all hot under the collar about politics recently?

Bruce Cannon
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2000\11\01@221005 by James Newton

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The political discussion wasn't getting as personal and my experience has
been that they are typically not as damaging as religious flames.

If you are looking for places that I've been inconsistent, don't forget my
sticking up for a religious reference made regarding the passing of a loved
one.

I'm always open to suggestions or criticisms of my actions. Drop me a line.
I'm very thick skinned... usually...

I do want to ask that people direct criticisms of other list members to me
rather than posting against one another publicly on the list. Praise in
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Everyone:

Bizarre to get an absolutely immediate personal warning from JN!  He must
have some Echelon filters set up (or be out of work right now).

I'd like to state for the record (without using any disallowed words), that
because I said that an apple was red DOESN'T mean I think all apples are
red!  I'm a type of fruit myself.  But I'm also a technologist and I
understand the need for, and endorse, the separation of fruit and state
machines.

In all seriousness, my comments were directed at the inappropriateness of
the presentation of biased opinion masquerading as objective reporting.
That's all.  All slurs toward anyone else retracted!  And frankly I think
the prohibition aginst discussion of "apples" on the list is a good one and
I'm sorry I commented.

But why didn't the messages from on high come down when everyone was getting
all hot under the collar about politics recently?

Bruce Cannon
Style Management Systems
http://siliconcrucible.com
(510) 787-6870
1228 Ceres ST Crockett CA 94525

Remember: electronics is changing your world...for good!

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2000\11\01@223720 by Russell McMahon

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>> You like to check out source material; It might be worth checking out the
>> prime source of Wacko Christianity....

>I've read it straight through a couple of times - and very interesting it
>was too...............

And we were off .... :-)

I think you are pushing the limits a wee bit in dropping this sort of
comment in like this in this forum but there's a place for it in other
contexts.
I realise that this is about stage 3 in a slow flame escalation but ...

In the past this sort of material would have brought censure from BB aka
James and our other long suffering watcher-over-see-ers but mayhaps under
the new
tagging system we are still in acceptable country.

Even though what Andy says is nominally based on factual biblical content I
think it is pretty one sided and misleading to cite things in the manner he
has. Certainly discussions on subjects like this have merit but they do need
to be DISCUSSIONS amongst willing participants and not set piece mini-flames
calculated to incite.


I'm not sure why a person who was not a "seeker" would do this more than
once unless they were an active "knocker" or "anti".  If in the latter class
then there is certainly enough material which can be taken selectively (and
some non-selectively) to support any pre-held position one wishes to adopt.
The Bible does not attempt to hide the imperfections of its characters.
Jesus Christ seems to have gone out of His way to have the most unsavoury
collection of ancestors imaginable :-) Cheats, liars, adulterers, murderers,
prostitutes (a most mild misdemeanour in this list), national traitors, and
more.

>For example, the "Good Book" appears to approve of oppressing women, race
>hate, incest and the slaughter of children. If you were to rate it on the
>same scale that capalert.com rates movies it would score much the same as
>many adult-rated releases.


Much but not all of this is true. "Appears" is the saving word which allows
you to say all sorts of things. Also, there are some events which are
described and even approved of in context which would be anathema in other
contexts. For instance, the slaughter of children would fall in this
category. It is perfectly true to say that the Bible says that in places
children were slaughtered with God's direction and approval. To decide how
you feel about this and why it MIGHT be possible to get your mind around it
in the greater context takes more than a throw away remark in an email
discussion and there is much greater risk of causing offence and upset than
resolving any issues. I doubt if resolving issues was actually intended by
Andy :-(.

>It also forbids women wearing male clothing, the cutting of men's hair and
>beards, wearing more than one type of cloth, eating meat with dairy
products
>(no beef stroganov, croque monsieur, Bolognese with parmesan, or
>cheeseburger then), charging or paying interest on loans, and eating
shrimp,
>lobster, crab, rabbit or pig amongst other things.


This is a much better list to bring up as a starting point, as it could be
discussed without causing too much offence,  but throw some light on the
underlying basis involved. Time, space and readers interest will not allow
more than the slightest glimpse of any of this here.

It is necessary to look at who and what events and commands were intended to
apply to - much were specific to a desert people in very specific
circumstances. Not all by any means but some understanding needs to be
applied, along with any attempt at criticism.

Take one of the more seemingly enigmatic.I take it that the "meat and milk"
prohibition is probably based on the "you shall not seethe a kid in its
mothers milk" command (maybe not). I have not seen this as deeply
significant (but it may be) but felt in passing that it says something
like - there is a level of decency or whatever that you don't go below even
when dealing with "dumb" animals. Eating an animal for food or its offspring
is one thing but the idea of using what is meant to sustain (Mum's milk) as
a cooking medium stands on a  basic principle of decency. Now this MAY be
totally wrong. There may be a simple moral lesson here or there may be some
very sound underlying physical principle which we haven't got as far as
understanding yet. Certainly the British are finding that "you shall not
feed animal remains to their own kin as food" (NOT a biblical command) is
not only socially repugnant to many but also a very sound idea indeed. Here
until recently they were using chicken feathers as chicken food!. Whatever.

The Bible SPECIFICALLY doesn't forbid eating any food whatsoever, BUT when
the list above was commanded it made extremely good sense for the people
involved (and also had some spiritual values as well). Pork, which is a
common enough and safe enough meat NOW, was even in my parents day a source
of great health danger (Trichonosis etc). To the people of the Old Testament
(and New) it represented death incarnate. This may well not be God's ONLY
intention in the command but it's worth noting.

Paying and charging interest ("usury") was indeed forbidden and if we can't
see the moral wisdom of this in our inflation spiralling, capitalist society
it doesn't mean that the basis isn't sound. While the exact meaning of
charging usury may be debated I think most will know how they feel about the
morality of the 20% odd interest rates charged by credit card companies to
which so many Americans (and others) owe their soul. Not a large soap-box
for me but it;'s interesting that anyone would point this out as a biblical
stupidity.

The "not wearing two types of cloth" instruction (Leviticus 19:19 gives a
one line unexplained command)(Matthew 9:16 makes an explanatory  comment but
not a command). The point  was, I think (BIMBW), based on the high value and
communal resource involved in such material and the destruction of resource
which often resulted due to different material properties.

The above may be feeble attempts at rationalisation rather than good
explanations (it happens ;-) ).

Interestingly it would be more accurate to say that "it also forbad ..."
rather than "it also forbids ...". The difference is extremely significant.

>It seems to me that most folks are very selective about which parts of "the
>prime source of Wacko Christianity" they are willing to observe and which
>they choose conveniently to overlook.


None may be overlooked but one needs to both go into it with some desire to
understand and to know what one is attempting to achieve by doing so.

>You can find the book/chapter references for some of the above examples, as
>well as other interesting questions about the bible, at
>http://www.cygnus-study.com/pagehiero.shtml. The author's style is a little
>smug but the questions are interesting and well researched for the most
>part.


I'll have a look sometime.
All interesting. Much of such can be useful.

If anyone has any major flamey responses to make to this it may be an idea
to send them to me offlist.
I'm happy enough to deal onlist or off but past experience suggests that the
tone of discussion tends to go down fairly quickly from about this point on.



regards,


               Russell McMahon

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2000\11\02@125628 by Bruce Cannon

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Thank you Russell for your cool-headed responses.  Without speaking for
anyone else, I suspect that your assumption that Andy intended only to
incite is off the mark.

Both you and he raise many interesting points, and I'd love to mine this
area thoroughly in a more appropriate forum.

Bruce Cannon
Style Management Systems
http://siliconcrucible.com
(510) 787-6870
1228 Ceres ST Crockett CA 94525

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2000\11\02@165017 by Andy Howard

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From: "Bruce Cannon" <brucecannonspamBeGonespamHOME.COM>


> Thank you Russell for your cool-headed responses.  Without speaking for
> anyone else, I suspect that your assumption that Andy intended only to
> incite is off the mark.
> Both you and he raise many interesting points, and I'd love to mine this
> area thoroughly in a more appropriate forum.

Russell and I are planning some (friendly) offlist philosophical
discussions.
If anyone else wishes join in please mail us privately.






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