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2002\08\27@111152 by Jim

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      "Fossil" (Coal, Petroleum)


There are those that are now challenge this commonly
held and widespread belief that hydrocarbon fuels
derived from surface life (now existant as 'fossils')
owing to certain 'biological elements' or traces found
in oil long ago.

The work of one Thomas Gold comes to mind (one of
his books: "The Deep Hot Biosphere" comes to mind).

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http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/usgs.html

The Origin of Methane (and oil) in the Crust of the Earth - This is
a major paper, outlining the reasons why an origin from non-biological
materials accounts better for the facts, than an origin from buried
biomass (approximately 31 printed pages).

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from:

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/index.html


The basic idea that a large amount of microbiol life exists in the pore
spaces of the rocks down to depths of between 6 and 10 kilometers arose in
the following way: natural petroleum almost always contains elevated levels
of the chemically inert gas helium and at the same time it contains
molecules that are unquestionably of biological origin.

How these two different substances meet up in oil has long been a puzzle. If
there exists microbial life, down to all levels that can be reached by the
drill, then the biological molecules can be explained. The association with
helium can then be explained adequetely if the hydrocarbons have come up
from much deeper levels and thereby swept up the diffusely distributed
helium that exists in the rocks.

The evidence that such a deep bioshpere exists has now been strongly
supported by microbiol studies in deep bore holes.

Drilling deep into the crystalline granite of Sweden between 1986 and 1993
revealed substantial amounts of natural gas and oil. 80 barrels of oil were
pumped up from a depth between 5.2 km and 6.7 km.

Russian petroleum geologists followed this operation closely. Dr. P.N.
Kropotkin reported at a meeting in Moscow that the discovery of oil deep in
the Baltic Shield may be considered a decisive factor in the hundred year
old debate about the biogenic or abiogenic origin of oil. This discovery was
made in deep wells that were drilled in the central part of the crystalline
Baltic Shield, on the initiative of T. Gold.

Drilling into crystalline bedrock is now underway in Russia on a large
scale. More than 300 wells have been drilled to a depth of more than 5 km
and are productive, as also is the giant White Tiger field offshore Vietnam,
mostly producing also from basement rock.

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RF Jim


   "Our ability to manufacture fraud has exceeded
    our  ability to detect it."

    - Al Pacino as Viktor Taransky in the movie 'Simone'


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2002\08\28@025541 by Russell McMahon

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>        "Fossil" (Coal, Petroleum)

> There are those that are now challenge this commonly
> held and widespread belief that hydrocarbon fuels
> derived from surface life (now existant as 'fossils') .....
> The work of one Thomas Gold comes to mind (one of
> his books: "The Deep Hot Biosphere" comes to mind).

Some maintain it was all produced in around 5000 years plus or minus a few
thousand (or laid down complete). Some don't :-)

Interestingly, I have been informed that coal (or something
indistinguishably equivalent) has been produced in very short time spans (a
few years?) using levels of temperature and pressure liable to have been
encountered at sites where coal is now found. I do not have any solid
references to this but I imagine there will be references to it on the net.

Some very cherished beliefs that some processes demand long time scales in
all instances have been reversed by new evidence.

One example is the idea that formation of deep canyon/valley systems
requires "geological time scales". As example of where this is now accepted
to not have been the case is the Montana scablands. A laaaarge lake held by
an ice dam is believed to have formed impressive canyon systems in days.
Prior belief was that millions of years would have been required.

   http://www.gonorthwest.com/Washington/northeast/Dry_Falls.htm

At the time the result would have included world's largest known waterfall.

Other major scientific theories which have achieved the state of holy and
unquestionable writ have also been overturned by new evidence. The history
of Plate tectonics is a fine example. Nowadays PT constitutes Holy Writ and
anyone questioning it would be considered an imbecile by scientific
orthodoxy.

Recent scientific studies suggest that the speed of light appears to have
been falling for a considerable period. The implications for scientific
knowledge as it is presently held are severe. The proposers are,
notwithstanding their eminence, therefore necessarily imbeciles :-)



           Russell McMahon

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