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'[OT]: Flowcharting software'
2000\11\14@082747 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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Does anyone have a recomendation for the above?  I've been using Visio,
which isn't a bad package, but IMHO it's "jack of all trades, master of
none" and I find it quite fiddly to use.

Regards

Mike

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2000\11\14@085152 by Pfaff, John

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There is a package called ABC Flowcharter.  It's made by Micrografx
(http://www.micrografx.com).  I've never used it, but it came with my
Micrografx Picture Publisher.

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2000\11\14@090312 by Simon Nield

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I think this was discussed on the list a month or so back. try checking the archives for "viso" as I
am sure that's what started it all then too.

Regards,
Simon

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2000\11\14@092925 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simon Nield [SMTP:spam_OUTsimon.nieldTakeThisOuTspamQUANTEL.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:01 PM
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> Subject:      Re: [OT]: Flowcharting software
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> I think this was discussed on the list a month or so back. try checking
> the archives for "viso" as I
> am sure that's what started it all then too.
>
> Regards,
> Simon
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It was discussed...sortof.  The OP wanted a tool to help with producing PDL
(program description language) but flowcharting programs became involved.
Visio was mentioned but, although it can produce nice looking charts, I find
it has several little quirks such as lines sometimes not snapping to grids
properly, especially after resizing which makes the final result look less
than satisfactory.  ABC Flowcharter sounds like it may be worth looking at
though.  I'm surprised there aren't more packages dedicated to this kind of
thing.

Cheers

Mike

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2000\11\14@105218 by John Walshe

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I have a copy of the ABC flowcharter and it seemed ok for the little use I
gave it (it came as part of a bundle I got some years ago).
If you don't mind my expanding this topic a little - does anyone know of a
program which can develop a flowchart from an assembly listing ie it can
reconcile all the branches etc.
I came across one for the 68HC11 a long time ago and can't find it now.
Obviously I would prefer one for the PIC if I could get it.
John
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2000\11\14@114728 by Douglas Wood

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I use a product called "All Clear" that produces flow charts from a textual
description similar to psuedo code.

Douglas Wood
Software Engineer

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2000\11\14@123419 by Don Hyde

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As a crusty OOOld programmer (grey hair to prove it), I often flowchart
stuff, especially when I know I'm going to have to grub around with assembly
to code it.

I've been using ABC Flowcharter for years, and while younger programmers
tend to make gurgling noises when they see 'em (I'm not entirely sure they
can read them), they sure help me a lot a few months later when I can no
longer figure out what the code was trying to accomplish.  You know, find
the forest in that thicket of opcodes...

I've been keeping an eye out for a long time, and haven't seen anything that
comes close to ABC Flowcharter.  If you can find a 5-year-old copy, buy it,
because they'v added a lot of dubious features and raised the price a lot,
but it basically hasn't gotten any better since about the third release or
so.

As for automatic flowcharting, that's been like artificial intelligence.
Real soon now for most of the last 25 years, with nothing visible but an
occasionally howler.  But autorouters for PC layout were like that, too, and
people find them useful now, so if I see it, I'll believe it.

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2000\11\15@050011 by Peter Tiang

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Hi,

   I suggest SmartDraw, http://www.smartdraw.com

   It's not overly complicated like Visio,
   and very intuitive to use.

   Besides flow charting, it's a big help when
   doing most day-to-day business presentation.

   Disclaimer: I'm in no way related to
   SmartDraw, just a satisfied user.

Regards,
Peter Tiang

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2000\11\15@061227 by Bill Kaufman

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From:  Bill Kaufman@MITEL on 11/15/2000 06:12 AM
I use Visio 5 Technical with the Professional Add-on. Someone
mentioned the problems of rerouting connectors when you move
objects but this was resolved in the 5C service release. The
Professional Add-on comes with a stencil set that includes all the
standard flow chart symbols.

Bill

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2000\11\15@062520 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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I have just found out that Visio 2000 Pro is the corporately approved
package for flowcharting, so I'm going to have a hard job convincing the
boss to get anything else.  I'll give it a go though, if the annoying bits
have been fixed it shouldn't be too bad.  I'll let you know what I think.

Cheers

Mike

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