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2000\06\20@130015 by

>         Anyone know the percentage of total energy consumption used in such
> commutes (say 5 miles or less)? How much could be saved by the use of a
> bicycle, public transportation, or just living closer to work?
>
> Harold
> (who bicycles to work)

No, but I've figured out my cost, which is probably closely related to actual
energy usage (and waste):
1/20th of a gallon = 10 cents/mile * 8 = \$.80 per round trip
1/100,000 of \$15,000 = 15 cents/mile * 8 = \$1.20 per round trip
(mileage I expect out of the car per purchase cost before repairs start
equalling the above value)
Insurance is about 10 cents/mile (don't ask :-( ) = \$.80 per round trip

So I am spending about \$2.80 just to go to work and back daily.

Unfortunately, there are reasons I cannot bicycle right now, though I should be
able to (and probably will) in about two weeks.  There's nothing in the world
quite like passing 30-40 cars all stuck in traffic on the side... ;-)  When I
was biking, I was usually able to make it in about the same amount of time that
it took via car.

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Then, looking at overall energy usage, multiply this by the number of
trips per year. Compare this with the total mileage (or cost) in a year.
Is 50% or more of car mileage spent going back and forth to work where a
bicycle or walking could be used?

Harold

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>Then, looking at overall energy usage, multiply this by the number of
>trips per year. Compare this with the total mileage (or cost) in a year.
>Is 50% or more of car mileage spent going back and forth to work where a
>bicycle or walking could be used?

I almost took a job (at a lower salary) that would have permitted me to
ride/walk to the office.  Got an offer and everything.  PRoblem was, they wanted
me to work 80+ hours a week (including all weekend) in THEIR family business
(ie, no room for promotion) at a salary that was lower than what I made in 40-50
hours (salary).

Thanks, but I can do the extra 40 hours at my house making model boats, and make
more money, even if I have to drive my Rabbit 1/2 hour each way.

Andy
>
>I almost took a job (at a lower salary) that would have permitted me to
>ride/walk to the office.  Got an offer and everything.  PRoblem was,
>they wanted
>me to work 80+ hours a week (including all weekend) in THEIR family business
>(ie, no room for promotion) at a salary that was lower than what I
>hours (salary).
>
>Thanks, but I can do the extra 40 hours at my house making model
>boats, and make
>more money, even if I have to drive my Rabbit 1/2 hour each way.

Plus, family-dominated companies are like the poster child
situation for screwing employees. You certainly made the
right decision.

Reg Neale
I have seen it written that the most efficient form of transport of all (including walking , running,  horse, horse and carriage etc ) is You Guessed It !  !!!The Bicycle!!!  (peddled by a human on a normal diet. )

On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:12:43 +0200 Mike Witherden
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> I have seen it written that the most efficient form of transport of
> all (including walking , running,  horse, horse and carriage etc )
> is You Guessed It !  !!!The Bicycle!!!  (peddled by a human on a
> normal diet. )

I've heard similar... the bicycle is really just an efficient impedance
matching device, matching the generator to the load.

Harold

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I have to agree with Adam - for me on my 4km trip to work its actually
faster to ride on the bike way (that goes through the middle of a large
public park) than to drive around the park through 3 sets of traffic lights.
And a damn sight safer too.

When you figure the costs / benefits don't forget the gains in healthy
lifestyle (and in my case the reduction in stress when you don't have to

Bye.

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There's also the fact that bike parking is usually free.

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2000\06\26@200105 by
If you yelled for 8 years, 5 months and 6 days you would have
produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee

(but you'd be drinking alone)

If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is
produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb

(only victims would be anosmiacs within 20 miles)

(lose weight driving to work, put that steering wheel to good use)
>If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is
>produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb

Ignoring the unlikeliness of this, lets see if it is correct:

If we assume that's a VERY small atomic bomb at 1000 kilotons and that
Methane has the same energy content as high explosive (which it has more or
less when burned with air) then that's about 5 grams per second every second
of every day of the 6.75 years. As Methane has  a mol weight of 16g that's
about 1/3 mol/second = 7l/sec at STP.
!!!

SO

I think your figure is a bit optimistic but I was surprised that it was such
a small rate of energy required.
It would probably take a lifetime in reality :-)

That's a continuous power output of about 250 kilowatts - a much more
effective way to lose weight than banging your head on anything but your
food bill would be horrific.

The other two figures are a bit harder (not impossible) to quantify as the
I'll "leave the exercise to the student".

Well, back to work :-)

RM

Working available on request :-)
But if you harnessed those 250kW while riding your bicycle, it would be quite a
speedster

Bringing us back to the bike/car debate <G>

Andy

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>If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is
>produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb

Ignoring the unlikeliness of this, lets see if it is correct:

If we assume that's a VERY small atomic bomb at 1000 kilotons and that
Methane has the same energy content as high explosive (which it has more or
less when burned with air) then that's about 5 grams per second every second
of every day of the 6.75 years. As Methane has  a mol weight of 16g that's
about 1/3 mol/second = 7l/sec at STP.
!!!

SO

I think your figure is a bit optimistic but I was surprised that it was such
a small rate of energy required.
It would probably take a lifetime in reality :-)

That's a continuous power output of about 250 kilowatts - a much more
effective way to lose weight than banging your head on anything but your
food bill would be horrific.

The other two figures are a bit harder (not impossible) to quantify as the
I'll "leave the exercise to the student".

Well, back to work :-)

RM

Working available on request :-)
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>If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is
>produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb

Ignoring the unlikeliness of this, lets see if it is correct:

If we assume that's a VERY small atomic bomb at 1000 kilotons and that
Methane has the same energy content as high explosive (which it has more or
less when burned with air) then that's about 5 grams per second every second
of every day of the 6.75 years. As Methane has  a mol weight of 16g that's
about 1/3 mol/second = 7l/sec at STP.
!!!

SO

I think your figure is a bit optimistic but I was surprised that it was such
a small rate of energy required.
It would probably take a lifetime in reality :-)

>> What you hadnt accounted for was a diet of a triple toureen of sprouts, with
a side order of sprouts, for all three meals. That is in addition to an
in-between meal of the healthly combination of pickled onion, wet grass and
Tizer. I am quite sure one of my colleagues adheres to such a diet.

Dan

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> >If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is
> >produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb
>
> If we assume that's a VERY small atomic bomb at 1000 kilotons and that

20 = small one ? 1000 sounds a bit big for small (overkill ?)(ouch)

> about 1/3 mol/second = 7l/sec at STP.

1/50th of calculated value ? 140ml/sec, barely a cupful (desperately
struggles to erase mental picture). If it's that easy, imagine the
weapon of choice for terrorists in the bio-engineered future

> I think your figure is a bit optimistic but I was surprised that it was
> such a small rate of energy required.
> It would probably take a lifetime in reality :-)

You know West Aucklanders Russell. I gotta guy could do this in a
week. Him and his whiffy brother anyway. If you're ever hitch-hiking
around Auckland don't accept a ride from a white Toyota Corolla,

> >> What you hadn't accounted for was a diet of a triple toureen
> of sprouts, with a side order of sprouts, for all three meals. That
> is in addition to an in-between meal of the healthly combination of
> pickled onion, wet grass and Tizer. I am quite sure one of my
> colleagues adheres to such a diet.
>
> Dan

Wot ? no beanz on toast ? (brown of course) or boiled egg and soldiers ?

So glad when a post raises the tone.......pfffaaarp
Gives new meaning to "fuel/air bomb" eh?!

Say, why are they growing all those sheep in nuke-free NZ anyway?  Planning to
destroy Oz, are they?

Andy

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> >If you fart consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is
> >produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb
>
> If we assume that's a VERY small atomic bomb at 1000 kilotons and that

20 = small one ? 1000 sounds a bit big for small (overkill ?)(ouch)

> about 1/3 mol/second = 7l/sec at STP.

1/50th of calculated value ? 140ml/sec, barely a cupful (desperately
struggles to erase mental picture). If it's that easy, imagine the
weapon of choice for terrorists in the bio-engineered future

> I think your figure is a bit optimistic but I was surprised that it was
> such a small rate of energy required.
> It would probably take a lifetime in reality :-)

You know West Aucklanders Russell. I gotta guy could do this in a
week. Him and his whiffy brother anyway. If you're ever hitch-hiking
around Auckland don't accept a ride from a white Toyota Corolla,

> >> What you hadn't accounted for was a diet of a triple toureen
> of sprouts, with a side order of sprouts, for all three meals. That
> is in addition to an in-between meal of the healthly combination of
> pickled onion, wet grass and Tizer. I am quite sure one of my
> colleagues adheres to such a diet.
>
> Dan

Wot ? no beanz on toast ? (brown of course) or boiled egg and soldiers ?

So glad when a post raises the tone.......pfffaaarp
>You know West Aucklanders

Careful, I used to live out there - now I have moved around the other side of
the world.
Actually, A-Bombs of much less than 1000 kilotons are common. Wasn't the

Bob Ammerman
RAm Systems

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>> If we assume that's a VERY small atomic bomb at 1000 kilotons and that
>20 = small one ? 1000 sounds a bit big for small (overkill ?)(ouch)

Whoops sorry - double kilo - I meant (and calculated on the basis of) 1000
tons = 1 kiloton which is a VERY small atomic bomb.
I think the smallest bomb of the 2 dropped on Japan was about 10 kiloton.

1000 ton = 1,000,000 kilogram = 1000,000,000 gram
1000,000,000 / 6.75 / 365 / 24 / 3600 = 4.698g/sec
4.698/16g = 0.293 mol
22.4*.293 = 6.57l/sec

>> about 1/3 mol/second = 7l/sec at STP.
To my knowledge, atomic weaponry are specified in Megatons.  The blast over
hiroshima was equivilant to 12.5k tons of TNT.

You can go here to map a nuclear blast anywhere in the US (addresses are ok, or
specify a country), specifying wind speed and direction, height of blast, etc:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/blastmap.html

Those who don't like Microsoft are welcome to blow them up too,

Morale will continue until the beatings improve!

Bob Ammerman wrote:
>
> Actually, A-Bombs of much less than 1000 kilotons are common. Wasn't the
> Hiroshima bomb about 50 kilotons?
>
> Bob Ammerman
> RAm Systems

I dropped one on you.  Did you feel anything <G>

Dropped 3 on M\$, too.

Andy

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To my knowledge, atomic weaponry are specified in Megatons.  The blast over
hiroshima was equivilant to 12.5k tons of TNT.

You can go here to map a nuclear blast anywhere in the US (addresses are ok, or
specify a country), specifying wind speed and direction, height of blast, etc:
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Those who don't like Microsoft are welcome to blow them up too,

Morale will continue until the beatings improve!

Bob Ammerman wrote:
>
> Actually, A-Bombs of much less than 1000 kilotons are common. Wasn't the
> Hiroshima bomb about 50 kilotons?
>
> Bob Ammerman
> RAm Systems
Hey, a compliment.  I'm worth 1/3rd what Microsoft is worth, according to the A.
Kunz chart of planned destruction.  Not only that, but I came first!  Woohoo!
Anybody want to invest in me?

Andrew Kunz wrote:
>
>
> I dropped one on you.  Did you feel anything <G>
>
> Dropped 3 on M\$, too.
>
> Andy
>

Those who don't like Microsoft are welcome to blow them up too,

Nah, I just wanted to make sure M\$ was gone.  I have friends in Ovid (above
Lansing) that I didn't want to totally annihilate, so dropping a second one on
Ypsilanti would be a little close for their comfort.

Andy

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Hey, a compliment.  I'm worth 1/3rd what Microsoft is worth, according to the A.
Kunz chart of planned destruction.  Not only that, but I came first!  Woohoo!
Anybody want to invest in me?

Andrew Kunz wrote:
>
>
> I dropped one on you.  Did you feel anything <G>
>
> Dropped 3 on M\$, too.
>
> Andy
>

Those who don't like Microsoft are welcome to blow them up too,

At 09:14 AM 6/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Actually, A-Bombs of much less than 1000 kilotons are common. Wasn't the
>
The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs are reckoned variously at between
12 and 20 kilotons.

Bob McClure
> Gives new meaning to "fuel/air bomb" eh?!
>
> Say, why are they growing all those sheep in nuke-free NZ anyway?
> Planning to destroy Oz, are they?
>
> Andy

Shhhhhhh.......SBD's the name of the game
> >You know West Aucklanders
>
> Careful, I used to live out there - now I have moved around the other side
> of the world.

I still are one
> > >You know West Aucklanders
> >
> > Careful, I used to live out there - now I have moved around the other side
> > of the world.
>
> I still are one

An insidious little cell of trouble makers I hear.....
At least 4 on the list....

Lance Allen
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West Auckland

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'[OT]: Energy savings'
2000\07\12@050407 by
A story about an air-powered car, no fuel at all, that aired (ha-ha)
in NZ last night. This is a link to a Real Player video. Haven't looked
for a text version, might be one elsewhere than ABC News

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/

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