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2002\11\14@215532 by Jinx

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I'm thinking about adding a dye-sprayer to a vehicle as a perp-squirter

The idea would be to have a nozzle (or two) in the dash that would
spray indelible ink on anyone not supposed to be there. Electrical
and physical safeguards can be added so I don't end up on the
receiving end

I'm looking around for an ink that can be de-colourised (or removed)
easily but not with anything common like soap or solvent. Something
based on iodine perhaps, obviously but regrettably non-toxic

Some ideas on a delivery system would be appreciated.  My thoughts -

Container -

Syringe or piston
Aerosol or atomiser
Squeezed bag

Driver -

CO2 cylinder
Motor
Solenoid

Best suggestion gets to hotwire the car for a test drive

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2002\11\14@230213 by Ashley Roll

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Hi Jinx,

Dude, where's your car! (sorry..)

What about running a series of small tubes in the seat the pumping the dye
into them when needed. Branch the tubes like a tree and leave open each end.

Then place them so that the dye stains down the back of the seat and the
bottom. :)

Probably a bunch safer then anything else.. And the evidence is going to be
REALLY embarrassing for the criminal. :)

The trick is going to be getting enough through the tubes quickly so that
the thief gets truly covered down the back and butt.

Of course you'll need a new seat, but it may be worth it. And it will mainly
be confined to the seat.

Cheers,
Ash.

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> I'm thinking about adding a dye-sprayer to a vehicle as a
> perp-squirter

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2002\11\14@235826 by Jinx

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> Then place them so that the dye stains down the back of the seat
> and the bottom. :)

Perhaps even let it flow from inside the roof lining, but that has
its drawbacks

It needs I think to get on the face and/or hands. I've been considering
using a Gameboy camera + PIC to take stills too. With a flagrante
delicto mugshot (smile, you're busted you bastard) and dyed skin as
evidence it's gonna take a $1000/hr mouthpiece to get out of that one
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2002\11\15@005724 by Ashley Roll

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Hi Jinx,

Oh - It WILL get on their hands :) The first thing they are going to do it
touch it! (then they will swear, then try to rub it off, swear some more..
etc, etc) And they won't be able to get the clothes off without it getting
everywhere as well.

Cameras - a friend of mine did that in his house.. he used a program that
came with his camera that takes a few photos when it detects movement.

He got broken into a number of times so he did this on the last one.. he
actually placed the camera under a pile of books on the floor and there is
this great shot of the intruder bending over to peer into this recess with a
cable coming out.. beautiful mug shot :)

Police came round and after the finished laughing at the expression on the
guy's face said "Yep, we know him.. thanks" and that was that :)

Cheers,
Ash.


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2002\11\15@010130 by Andrew Thoms

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>It needs I think to get on the face and/or hands.

Perhaps a foam covered steering wheel of some sort that oozes the die so
when he/she grabs/squeezes it their hands get covered... again it means a
replacement steering wheel

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2002\11\15@013138 by Jinx

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> Oh - It WILL get on their hands :) The first thing they are going to
> do it touch it! (then they will swear, then try to rub it off, swear
> some more..etc, etc) And they won't be able to get the clothes
> off without it getting everywhere as well

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2002\11\15@021151 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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Hey Jinx,

I've often thought of doing what you are proposing, but I was going to
use mace! It's readily available, legal (as far as I know), and will
make the buggers squirm a little in pain!

You just need pressurised canisters of the stuff and some 12V solenoid
valves. Maybe a buzzer and a big 10mm LED starts to flash high up on
the A Pillar (get their attention), then spray em right in the boat
race! The only problem with anything like this type of system though is
that they may come back (when they've recovered) and take revenge on
your poor little car!

Has something happened to you recently that has prompted the evil side
of your creative mind to spring into action? :-)

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\11\15@021813 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hi Sean,

Do you really think it is advisable to install a system in your car that
could possibly cause an accident? What if it goes off while you are
driving? Even more likely, what if it goes off while the perp is driving
and he runs into someone and kills them?

Sean (do you think we need to start adding #1 and #2, like the Andy's ;-)

At 06:11 PM 11/15/2002 +1100, you wrote:
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2002\11\15@030241 by William Chops Westfield

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Potassium permanganate stains things a rather nice dark purple (or
brown, once it's been reduced a bit.)  It cleans up rather easilly
with some acidic hydrogen peroxide (househole peroxide and vinegar;
nothing exotic.)  (This is an oxygen-releasing process that can be
used to REMOVE stains, but it might also bleach some fabric dyes.)
In dilute solutions (which are STILL deep purple), it shouldn't be
TOO harmful (it's been used as an antifungal foot-soak.)

BillW

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2002\11\15@032005 by Jinx

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> Do you really think it is advisable to install a system in your car that
> could possibly cause an accident? What if it goes off while you are
> driving? Even more likely, what if it goes off while the perp is driving
> and he runs into someone and kills them?

It would very easy to isolate the system with double switching and cover
the nozzle or whatever with a cap (like a trigger guard). And by the same
token prevent the system deploying when the car is running or moving,
even when armed. That could also be done with dual isolation. The usual
remedy for stopping them is a fuel cut-off that lets them get a few yards

I preferred the squirting to be done from the dash as there would
be less chance of a lot getting on the upholstery. There must be a
combination of dye / fabric protection (eg Scotchguard) / dye
neutraliser that would work together. I'm not talking a Bentley with
ostrich leather and rainforest panelling

AFAIK Mace and other incapacitating sprays are still illegal in NZ. You
will be prosecuted. So it has to be harmless but effective

> The only problem with anything like this type of system though is
> that they may come back (when they've recovered) and take revenge
> on your poor little car!

What can I say. If you do nothing, then what ? Chances are it'll be a
joyrider, but it might not be. Probably something to check with the
insurance company. If you aggravate a thief into doing damage, how
would the insurance company view that. They're always looking for
any little excuse not to pay up. But that still doesn't give some little
scrote the right to do anything to someone else's property

> Has something happened to you recently that has prompted the
> evil side of your creative mind to spring into action? :-)

No. I just don't like thieves. Especially the remorselesss little scumbags
that seem to be around in hordes these days

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2002\11\15@032248 by Jinx

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> Potassium permanganate stains things a rather nice dark purple
> (or brown, once it's been reduced a bit.)  It cleans up rather easilly
> with some acidic hydrogen peroxide (househole peroxide and
> vinegar; nothing exotic.)

Cheers, that was on the list

> (it's been used as an antifungal foot-soak.)

And if the little darling's got his goldfish along as lookout it
won't get fin-rot

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2002\11\15@035023 by Dominic Stratten

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Heres a thought

Alarm is triggered silently -> Doors lock and deadlock -> Ignition and fuel
pump are cut -> Wait for car to come to standstill for safety purposes ->
Smoke canister triggered causing temporary blindness in car -> High powered
strobe activated to add to confusion and blindness -> Very loud siren
(possibly voice asking to report to police) triggered. ->Mobile phone linked
to GPS to dial owner of car reporting exact position.

Using surplus stock and secondhand phone etc, you could do the whole lot for
less than $100

Something I've always fancied doing :)

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2002\11\15@040310 by Sean Alcorn - PIC Stuff

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Sean,

> Do you really think it is advisable to install a system in your car
> that
> could possibly cause an accident?

You mean like an airbag?

> What if it goes off while you are
> driving?

You mean like an airbag?

> Even more likely, what if it goes off while the perp is driving
> and he runs into someone and kills them?

You mean like an airbag? - Well, then the 'perp' sues Jinx! :-)

You are taking this thread far too seriously I think, Sean.

Cheers,

Sean

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2002\11\15@041344 by Jinx

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> Heres a thought

> Something I've always fancied doing :)

I'm up for anything if it's safe, legal and annoying. PICs could
be everywhere - my minions, my little flying monkeys. It doesn't
have to cost a lot either

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2002\11\15@041759 by thys

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You should come and spend some time in South Africa...
Then you will take it seriously.

I like Dominic's idea, But personally I think Some High VOLTAGE will do the
trick...
Wasn't there a movie with some thing like this??


Thys


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2002\11\15@042936 by Chris Hunter

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Dye is OK, but there is a MUCH more effective (and legal) solution.  Fit a
VERY LOUD klaxon inside the car that is triggered by your alarm.  Make sure
that the sound pressure when triggered is in excess of 150 dBm (SPL meter
inside, and triggered from a safe distance).  This may rupture the eardrums
of the car thief (that's HIS problem), and if there's any question about the
siren, you just claim that it exceeded the permitted levels for external
use, so you fitted it inside the cabin to minimise noise nuisance!

Chris

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2002\11\15@043205 by Peter L. Peres

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There are little ampoules of indelible red sold as G-shock sensors. They
are attached on equipment that is rented. If the equipment is exposed to
g-shock (like dropping a crate) the ampoule breaks and stains the unit
indelible bright red (so the user can't replace another ampoule and get
away with it). It's a US firm, maybe someone else on the list can help
with the name. You could mount one of these on the ceiling and detonate
sprinkler-fashion using a nichrome resistor wound around it I think. That
would make it 'that guy with blood over his face and head got my car' I
think. People oozing red ketchup all over their heads and faces tend to
attract attention I think. I don't know about non-toxic. I hope it stings
in the eyes at least.

Peter

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2002\11\15@045741 by Jinx

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> I don't know about non-toxic. I hope it stings in the eyes at least

You could add shampoo or lemon juice

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2002\11\15@050422 by Jinx

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> You should come and spend some time in South Africa...
> Then you will take it seriously

No thanks - heard all about SA car-jacking and what's being
done to dissuade (barbecue ?) thieves

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9812/11/flame.thrower.car/

> I like Dominic's idea, But personally I think Some High VOLTAGE
>  will do the trick...
> Wasn't there a movie with some thing like this??

> Well, then the 'perp' sues Jinx! :-)

Not in NZ he won't. Suing for damages in a case like that is
virtually impossible. The (wimpy) system in NZ is Accident
Compensation, which you can get even if you receive injuries in
the commission of a crime. Yeah I know. More likely the police
will charge you. It has to be a system designed with the head,
not the heart. Much as you'd like flailing hooks, spearguns, Sarin....

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2002\11\15@050835 by Dominic Stratten

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Just in case anyone is interested ;-)

http://www.bullnet.co.uk/shops/test/alarms.htm

worth a look at the smoke bombs


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2002\11\15@054917 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Best suggestion gets to hotwire the car for a test drive

Oh no Jinx, those Westies getting active again ??

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2002\11\15@061333 by cdb

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I have always fancied a PIC that disconnects the ignition and
Steering wheel (steering wheel just spins not connected to the
spline) and one of those nifty ISD voice chips saying 'YOU ARE A
THIEF", 'HELP I'M BEING BURGLED, REGISTRATION XXXXXXX is BEING
BURGLED'

Now this could go one step further for those of you in London so when
the Towaway sticker is slapped on the windscreen and the boot fitted,
the car could squawk in a loud voice ' DON'T TOUCH ME YOUNG MAN'
And when being hoisted onto the truck 'Oh the shame, the shame'

Hmm I've got to surplus ISD 20 sec devices -

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2002\11\15@063946 by cdb

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Don't you mention THAT company in my presence .

I am not a terrorist DESTROY oh sorry that was Dr Who wasn't it?

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2002\11\15@065020 by Jinx

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> onto the truck 'Oh the shame, the shame'

If you want to shame the gangstas who steal cars, get the
CD player to blast out Perry Como's most syrupy Christmas
album so everyone can hear

"What would your mother think ?" might be another candidate
for an ISD. Most of them are of questionable parentage but
they've all got mothers

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2002\11\15@070123 by Alan B. Pearce

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>I've often thought of doing what you are proposing, but
>I was going to use mace! It's readily available, legal
>(as far as I know), and will make the buggers squirm a
>little in pain!

Well if you are prepared to write off the car :)) then how about having a
"puffball" that is fired by a fireworks type cracker, that sprays pepper
powder everywhere, gets in eyes, nose etc, makes them sneeze, possibly loose
control of car, hence crash and write it off (if your lucky, them as well).

The puff ball could be disguised as one of those deodorant balls that are
available for making the car "smell pleasant", but once the cracker blows
the top off (or some inquisitive miscreant takes it off to laugh at it) then
something inside explodes the fine powder everywhere.


Jinx said

>AFAIK Mace and other incapacitating sprays are still
>illegal in NZ. You will be prosecuted. So it has to
>be harmless but effective

This is where using pepper may be an advantage. You do like the smell of
pepper, after all you have lots of it on your steak, etc :))))


>Alarm is triggered silently -> Doors lock and deadlock -> Ignition and fuel
>pump are cut -> Wait for car to come to standstill for safety purposes ->
>Smoke canister triggered causing temporary blindness in car -> High powered
>strobe activated to add to confusion and blindness -> Very loud siren
>(possibly voice asking to report to police) triggered. ->Mobile phone
linked
>to GPS to dial owner of car reporting exact position.

Well I have thought of the possibility of locking all the doors etc, and
then having a sound system at high power scream "Rape" and other such words.


>But personally I think Some High VOLTAGE will do the trick...

Even if it is just an arc running along the top of the dashboard - make them
look, wonder what else is about to happen, just before the trembler coil
under the seat gives them a jolt in the backside you mean :)))


>This may rupture the eardrums of the car thief (that's
>HIS problem), and if there's any question about the
>siren, you just claim that it exceeded the permitted
>levels for external use, so you fitted it inside the
>cabin to minimise noise nuisance!

I like it, but most of the little devils likely to be the miscreants that
would take your car are probably already in this state with their eardrums
anyway - but that might give you a legal argument that you did not damage
their eardrums, they were already damaged :)))


>Just in case anyone is interested ;-)
>
>http://www.bullnet.co.uk/shops/test/alarms.htm
>
>worth a look at the smoke bombs


Now there is a thought. In the UK Maplin advertise smoke fluid for putting
in those generators they use in discos. About GBP4.99 for a litre, and comes
in two grades. If you had a resistor that you could organise to be glowing
close to red hot, and drip this onto the resistor, hide the lot under the
dash, so when they try and hot wire the car, much smoke issues from under
dash :)))) The Maplin fluid is claimed to be water based, and not leave oily
residue. Small fan to help waft it out from under dash, or maybe fire up the
heater fan and send it out the vents :)))

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2002\11\15@073242 by Jinx

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> >worth a look at the smoke bombs
>
>
> Now there is a thought. In the UK Maplin advertise smoke fluid
> for putting in those generators they use in discos

Possiblity the perp could be fooled into thinking the car had
a really serious problem

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2002\11\15@080437 by Ray Gallant

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To help with that chip, you could consider paint balls and the gas tank door
as camouflage.
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2002\11\15@083914 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Possiblity the perp could be fooled into thinking
>the car had a really serious problem

Exactly my thinking.

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2002\11\15@084551 by Alan B. Pearce

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>To help with that chip, you could consider paint
>balls and the gas tank door as camouflage.

OK so know we have the scenario: -

1. Perp gets in car, tries to hot wire and start it. Shuts door, and starts
to drive off.

2. Doors get electronically locked, and ignition cuts out.

3. Smoke generator starts, and fills car with smoke.

4. Paint ball gun starts rapid fire at drivers position.

5. Weight sensor on passenger seat senses if passenger is present, and if so
second paint ball gun rapid fires at passenger position.

6. Cell phone module phones owner with alarm message, giving current
location of car.

7. External lights flash, siren, klaxon, and loudspeaker sound, giving
audible and visual theft alarm.


Any more we need to do???

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2002\11\15@085143 by Dominic Stratten

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ROFLMAO - not far off what I had in mind.

One of the other suggestions I was going to make was to have a couple of
electrodes just under the drivers seat fabric and a rapid discharge system
of 30kv + when the alarm is activated. Bit of painful revenge there
(especially if he's sweating by now ;-)

That would be a bit mean though wouldnt it ?

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2002\11\15@085804 by robert nelson

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Inject a little Ethylene Glycol base anti-freeze/water mix in the intake
will cause a dense white vapor out the exhaust getting a lot of
attention.  For short times 4 to 5 min. just change the oil and their is
not supposed to be any permanent damage to engine....


Alan B. Pearce wrote:

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2002\11\15@090108 by Katinka Mills

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> ROFLMAO - not far off what I had in mind.
>
> One of the other suggestions I was going to make was to have a couple of
> electrodes just under the drivers seat fabric and a rapid discharge system
> of 30kv + when the alarm is activated. Bit of painful revenge there
> (especially if he's sweating by now ;-)
>
> That would be a bit mean though wouldnt it ?

Not at all, in France they have the ignition coil conected to a woven cover
in the rear seats of taxis. You play up, the driver turns it on and drives
to the nearest police station where you are draged out. This system
imobilises the leg muscles IIRC.

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2002\11\15@090517 by Jennifer L. Gatza

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> One of the other suggestions I was going to make was to have
> a couple of
> electrodes just under the drivers seat fabric and a rapid
> discharge system
> of 30kv + when the alarm is activated. Bit of painful revenge there
> (especially if he's sweating by now ;-)

Great idea - just make sure you test it VERY thoroughly under every possible
situation - it would be a bummer if you accidentally tripped the alarm
yourself.  :)

Jen

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2002\11\15@090932 by Dominic Stratten

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Its not my leg muscles that rest on the seat Kat ;-)

Could be a bit embarrasing with the police having to remove "hardened
criminals" out of the car though.


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2002\11\15@092146 by Ray Gallant

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LMAO, Alan, hehehehehe
Good one, I'm rollin' on the floor here.  Joke made my day! Tx.
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> >To help with that chip, you could consider paint
> >balls and the gas tank door as camouflage.
>
> OK so know we have the scenario: -
>
> 1. Perp gets in car, tries to hot wire and start it. Shuts door, and
starts
> to drive off.
>
> 2. Doors get electronically locked, and ignition cuts out.
>
> 3. Smoke generator starts, and fills car with smoke.
>
> 4. Paint ball gun starts rapid fire at drivers position.
>
> 5. Weight sensor on passenger seat senses if passenger is present, and if
so
> second paint ball gun rapid fires at passenger position.
>
> 6. Cell phone module phones owner with alarm message, giving current
> location of car.
>
> 7. External lights flash, siren, klaxon, and loudspeaker sound, giving
> audible and visual theft alarm.

> Any more we need to do???

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2002\11\15@095026 by Alan B. Pearce

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>One of the other suggestions I was going to make was
>to have a couple of electrodes just under the drivers
>seat fabric and a rapid discharge system of 30kv + when
>the alarm is activated. Bit of painful revenge there
>(especially if he's sweating by now ;-)

OK so we need to add: -

8. After time period during which Perp is disorientated, confused and
dodging paint balls, start trembler coil under sets, so Perp tends to leap
in seat and receive paint ball hits in more tender regions.

Now have I left anything off. 8)


>Inject a little Ethylene Glycol base anti-freeze/water
>mix in the intake will cause a dense white vapor out
>the exhaust getting a lot of attention.  For short times
>4 to 5 min. just change the oil and their is not
>supposed to be any permanent damage to engine....

I would look at injecting this into the exhaust pipe as close to the inlet
manifold as I could get so the pipe is good and hot. Now what did I do with
that spare diesel injector :))

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2002\11\15@095637 by Roman Black

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Jinx wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about adding a dye-sprayer to a vehicle as a perp-squirter
>
> The idea would be to have a nozzle (or two) in the dash that would
> spray indelible ink on anyone not supposed to be there. Electrical
> and physical safeguards can be added so I don't end up on the
> receiving end

Hee hee! That might leave you rather red-faced,
so to speak. ;o)

> Some ideas on a delivery system would be appreciated.  My thoughts -

Just about anything will provide a decent face
squirting mechanism. A small CO2 cannister like
used in soda bottle, a solenoid to puncture it
and some tubing in your dash.

My apprentices caught a young car thief near our
shop in the carpark, tried to detain him but he
got violent and got away. Mongrel. I did a
security license course many moons ago, apparently
as citizens arrest you are allowed to detain a
crim if you catch them in the act, maybe the fact
they are in your car qualifies for that? But if
designing an entrapment system you might want to
know that the standard way these mongrels operate
is with a lead sinker on a string, goes straight
through a car window and almost noiselessley. My
apprentices got the joy of watching this mongrel
do the act before accosting him.

I really can't understand these losers. Once when
unemployed (17 years ago?) I got so desperate I
ended up at the sunday church free-food handout,
it's amazing how good cheap soup and 2 day old
bread tastes when you are hungry. But I didn't stoop
to the level of stealing to eat. These guys steal
for what? Boredom? The high voltage alarm sounds
good to me, f^&% the NZ laws.
-Roman

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2002\11\15@110145 by Nate Duehr

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On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 02:11, Jinx wrote:
> I'm up for anything if it's safe, legal and annoying. PICs could
> be everywhere - my minions, my little flying monkeys. It doesn't
> have to cost a lot either

Heh heh, "my minions"?  Been reading http://www.userfriendly.org again, or
"Evil Geniuses for Dummies" again, Piotr?  :-

Nate

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2002\11\15@114548 by Bob Blick

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Is crime really that rampant in New Zealand that you must go to such
extremes?

And will your insurance pay to clean up your car after your system has
ruined the interior?

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2002\11\15@142840 by Lee Jones

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> Possiblity the perp could be fooled into thinking the car had
> a really serious problem

This could be a very usefull approach.

Put a smoke generator on the exhaust system.  Could be as easy
as pumping oil in just past the catalytic converter.  You want
to create a high volume, blue smoke cloud.  And it couldn't be
construed as a direct danger to the thief.

Thief might abandon your car quickly as unreliable.

With a little luck, they would be stopped by the police for
excessive polution...  You could have a second PIC based unit
that detected the police car's flashing lights and announced
"I'm a stolen car" repeatedly.

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2002\11\15@162143 by Jinx

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> Not at all, in France they have the ignition coil conected to a
> woven cover in the rear seats of taxis. You play up, the driver
> turns it on and drives to the nearest police station where you
> are dragged out. This system immobilises the leg muscles IIRC

I'm guessing that people who play up in taxis have legs that
are halfway to being (self) immobilised anyway ;-)  hic

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2002\11\15@162559 by Jinx

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> These guys steal for what? Boredom?

The usual excuse is <whine> There's nothing to do </whine>

I reckon I had all the fun I could handle in the days before video
games, VCRs, DVDs, skateboards, Internet, clubbing, easy
booze, easy dope, cheap cars.............Even wet Sundays were
OK, although everywhere except petrol stations were shut

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2002\11\15@163807 by Jinx

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> Is crime really that rampant in New Zealand that you must go
> to such extremes ?

Getting a car stolen once is rampant enough. I'm still favouring
the original dyeing idea, which isn't too extreme. And yes, petty
car crime is pretty endemic

> And will your insurance pay to clean up your car after your
> system has ruined the interior?

To Be Determined (if ruination can't be avoided, but it probably
won't come to tthat)

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2002\11\15@194335 by Scott Touchton

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Hmmm.... skateboards go back to the 40's.
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2002\11\15@204642 by Jinx

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> Hmmm.... skateboards go back to the 40's.

According to

http://www.all-sports-posters.com/skateboard-history.html

way before that even.

(Google for +skateboard +history)

but I don't think they were seen much outside the US. I first
remember them being popularised in the early 70s when
polycarbonate ones with urethane wheels came out (a friend
had a plastics factory that was full-time for months making them)

What's cool/lame goes in/out of fashion of course. A couple of years
ago it was grown men riding scooters (what was THAT all about ?).

Next year, who knows - Xtreme hula-hoops ? Off-road skipping ?

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2002\11\15@211805 by Gwynne Reddick

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 14:45:23 +1300, Jinx wrote:

>Next year, who knows - Xtreme hula-hoops ? Off-road skipping ?

http://www.extremeironing.info/

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2002\11\15@212009 by cdb

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I remember inline skates around 1969 in the UK, then they were called
Skeelers, a pair were bought as a birthday present for me - never saw
them again until they were 'discovered' in the 80's.

Now who had one of those blow up things that had two ears a stupid
face and you sat on and bounced up and down on - had one of those for
Christmas can't remember what they were called though, again another
60's thing.

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2002\11\15@213917 by Jinx

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> http://www.extremeironing.info/

> Gwynne Reddick

Ha ha. That's an awful lot of work for a piss-take but it's
worth it

Or as http://babel.altavista.com says

"Raus from the handle chamber and then off in the mountains,
under water, into the forest or into the large city jungle; creativity
free run let completely iron and according to own rules or also as
Meditationsuebung. The members of the GEIS have with their
excursion ions not only ironed to the iron glow, but also plentifully
photos shot, which arrange an alive impression of that variety and
singularness of the extreme ironing for you"

Things like the the "BUGELN VERBOTEN" sign are nice touches

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2002\11\15@214328 by Jinx

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> Now who had one of those blow up things that had two ears a
> stupid face and you sat on and bounced up and down on - had
> one of those for Christmas can't remember what they were
> called though, again another 60's thing.

Vinyl Vicki ? What liberal parents you have

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2002\11\15@215402 by Gwynne Reddick

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:17:54 GMT, cdb wrote:

>Now who had one of those blow up things that had two ears a stupid
>face and you sat on and bounced up and down on - had one of those
>for Christmas can't remember what they were called though, again
>another 60's thing.

Space Hoppers (well over here anyway). Bought some for the Kids at
Glastonbury this year.

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2002\11\15@215820 by Gwynne Reddick

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 15:38:02 +1300, Jinx wrote:
>>http://www.extremeironing.info/
>
>>Gwynne Reddick
>
>Ha ha. That's an awful lot of work for a piss-take but it's worth it
> Or as http://babel.altavista.com says
>

Not a piss-take though:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2176024.stm

A friend of mine just made a documentary about it - takes all sorts
:)

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2002\11\15@231753 by Jinx

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> Space Hoppers (well over here anyway). Bought some for the
>  Kids at Glastonbury this year.

Oh yeah, Space Hoppers. Hey Colin, did your Space Hopper have
real hair ?

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2002\11\15@232205 by Jinx

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> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2176024.stm

Ironing underwater though ? I know it helps to have the
clothes a little damp but...........

And who carries the 2 mile extension lead ?

> A friend of mine just made a documentary about it - takes
> all sorts :)

Yeah, some of those documentary makers can be a bit strange

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2002\11\16@020739 by PicDude

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Don't know if this has been mentioned on this thread already,
but I have a device (not installed yet) that is rigged into
the brake-lines, and locks the brake fluid in the lines with
a key (when the car is exited).  With the device locked, the
brake pedal is depressed and this locks the brakes, so the car
can't be driven.  To bypass the system, a thief would have to
cut the brake lines, which would make it undriveable.

Cheers,
-Neil.

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2002\11\16@055649 by Peter L. Peres

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*>----- Original Message -----
*>From: "Alan B. Pearce" <RemoveMEA.B.PearceTakeThisOuTspamspamRL.AC.UK>
*>To: <EraseMEPICLISTspamspamspamBeGoneMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
*>Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:45 AM
*>Subject: Re: [OT]: Dude, where's my car ? Oh, that green guy's got it
*>
*>
*>> >To help with that chip, you could consider paint
*>> >balls and the gas tank door as camouflage.
*>>
*>> OK so know we have the scenario: -
*>>
*>> 1. Perp gets in car, tries to hot wire and start it. Shuts door, and
*>starts
*>> to drive off.
*>>
*>> 2. Doors get electronically locked, and ignition cuts out.
*>>
*>> 3. Smoke generator starts, and fills car with smoke.
*>>
*>> 4. Paint ball gun starts rapid fire at drivers position.
*>>
*>> 5. Weight sensor on passenger seat senses if passenger is present, and if
*>so
*>> second paint ball gun rapid fires at passenger position.
*>>
*>> 6. Cell phone module phones owner with alarm message, giving current
*>> location of car.
*>>
*>> 7. External lights flash, siren, klaxon, and loudspeaker sound, giving
*>> audible and visual theft alarm.
*>
*>> Any more we need to do???

Provide another phone in the car so the dying perpetrators can call for
spiritual help.

Peter

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2002\11\16@080211 by cdb

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I knew if anyone was going to make a meal out of it, it would be Jinx
:).  Yes Space Hopper sounds right but I don't think they were called
that in England - I was the only kid in the street to have one.

Jinx - I think you should pop over to Hamburg - a couple of shops
that might interest you - you can bounce up and down on your toy
castle and no one will complain.

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2002\11\16@161803 by Jinx

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> Jinx - I think you should pop over to Hamburg - a couple of shops
> that might interest you - you can bounce up and down on your toy
> castle and no one will complain.
>
> colin

Thanks for the info. Always helps know someone who's been there
done that. I wonder if that sort of thing goes on in Auckland ? Quite
true what you say - it's just bouncy castles for grown-ups

==================================================

Thanks to everyone for the car suggestions. Something(s) that
draw attention seem to be the go. Smoke generator, a very
noisy siren in/out of the car, dyes. The last thing a thief wants is
everybody looking. It will be very easy to make a bespoke design
tamper-proof too - no "I know how to get around this alarm"

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2002\11\17@003650 by William Chops Westfield

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   ...a very noisy siren in/out of the car, dyes. The last thing a
   thief wants is everybody looking.

Oh right.  Noisy car alarms are wonderfully successful in the USA. (Not!)
I guess it depends on whether you're trying to stop your car from being
stolen, having your "stuff" stolen out of it, or perps doing $x000 damage
to steal a $x00 stereo :-(

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2002\11\17@041602 by Jinx

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>     ...a very noisy siren in/out of the car, dyes. The last thing a
>     thief wants is everybody looking.
>
> Oh right.  Noisy car alarms are wonderfully successful in
> the USA. (Not!)

I know what you mean. No one takes any notice. I've seen a
doco about how much attention is paid. In one case TV "thieves"
worked on a car in a busy English high street for almost 1/2 hour
with the alarm going. No one challenged them, no one called the
police, and they ended up driving off into the sunset. Hard to
believe I know. But yes, the sun was actually out that day ;-)

And if the alarm keeps going as the car's being driven ? If it can be
driven that is. And there have to be at least 2 x 130dB sound bombs
inside the car. Autodial cellphone is a definite possibility, especially
if some how the car gets on the move. Possibly smoke too. I'm pretty
mechanically-minded, so any modifications won't be too difficult. No
more so than installing an off-the-shelf system

The main object is to get them to bugger off and steal someone
else's. Antagonising them isn't high on the list, in case it makes
them do some damage

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2002\11\17@063755 by cdb

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Ahem, I am led to believe that Kiwi weather has remarkable
similarities to the British weather!

However it should be pointed out that if we have 4 days of continuous
sunshine the water board declares drought conditions.

We also have the wrong kind of snow falling on railway tracks and
insist on having trees that shed their leaves all over railway lines
in Autumn - much to British Rail (as was) surprise each year.

British Rail were also known to have spent a rather large sum of
money purchasing a leaf sweeping train from Sweden - conveniently
forgetting that 1) The train used a pantograph - most SE lines are
3rd rail type so the nice metallic brushes on the wheels shorted out
the track and 2) the train was wider than most tunnels in the South
East - The solution was to widen some of the tunnels - and when the
train still shorted the 3rd rail moved the train to the East to North
run where overhead lines were used - except those lines didn't suffer
from falling leaves.

I wish I was intelligent, I could have had a job with BR..

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2002\11\17@132853 by steve

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> >     ...a very noisy siren in/out of the car, dyes. The last thing a
> >     thief wants is everybody looking.
> >
> > Oh right.  Noisy car alarms are wonderfully successful in
> > the USA. (Not!)
>
> I know what you mean. No one takes any notice.

No one takes any notice of a car alarm because it is so common.
Apply a bit of lateral thinking. (Look who I'm suggesting that too !)
If you had an external speaker that started playing "Remember
you're a Womble" (or similar kids theme) at PA volumes, lots of
people would look and what self respecting thief is going to drive
that down the road ?

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2002\11\17@141054 by Chris Hunter

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> Oh right.  Noisy car alarms are wonderfully successful in the USA. (Not!)
> I guess it depends on whether you're trying to stop your car from being
> stolen, having your "stuff" stolen out of it, or perps doing $x000 damage
> to steal a $x00 stereo :-(

Perhaps you've missed the point - the trick is to have the siren INSIDE the
car!  The thief will not want to stay in the vicinity of the kind of sound
pressure levels that are easily attainable.  The fact that his eardrums may
rupture is just a bonus!  It's also ENTIRELY legal!

Chris

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2002\11\18@091113 by John

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Hello Neil & PIC.ers,

..mmm..
IIRC this was tried many years ago in S. Africa, a few systems failed - and
not to 'safety' either, they had the horrible tendency to lock up under
speed - there were accidents, law suits, etc.etc...

Take care.

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2002\11\18@162730 by Jinx

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The idea is OK, sounds like somebody(s) bodged the job

> IIRC this was tried many years ago in S. Africa, a few systems failed -
> and not to 'safety' either, they had the horrible tendency to lock up
under
> speed - there were accidents, law suits, etc.etc...
>
> Take care.
>
>         best regards,  John

> >but I have a device (not installed yet) that is rigged into
> >the brake-lines, and locks the brake fluid in the lines with

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2002\11\18@164810 by William Chops Westfield
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   [cutoffs involving tying into the brake lines.]

   The idea is OK, sounds like somebody(s) bodged the job

No, the idea sucks.  If you're going to mess with a safety-critical
subsystem in a system that regularly operates at easilly fatal energy
levels, all in the name of security, then security better be safety-critical
as well.  I don't think preventing a stole car qualifies.  Perhaps if we
were talking about an armed tank :-)

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2002\11\18@170224 by Bob Blick

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The systems offered by car manufacturers seem to work pretty well. My car
has an RF chip in the key. It doesn't matter what you do, the car is not
going to start unless you have one of the trusted keys, and making it
accept a new trusted key requires you to have two already trusted keys.

Not to mention the sensors on doors and trunk that can tell if it's a key
opening the car as opposed to something else.

Added bonus: insurance discount for having factory anti-theft rather than
add-on.

But I suppose if you get your jollies fantasizing about how you're going
to take revenge on evildoers, your system has the edge.

-Bob

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2002\11\18@170843 by Jinx

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>     [cutoffs involving tying into the brake lines.]
>
>     The idea is OK, sounds like somebody(s) bodged the job
>
> No, the idea sucks.  If you're going to mess with a safety-critical
> subsystem in a system that regularly operates at easilly fatal energy
> levels, all in the name of security, then security better be safety-
> critical as well.  I don't think preventing a stole car qualifies.
Perhaps
> if we were talking about an armed tank :-)
>
> BillW

My comment was directed at the standard of workmanship rather
than the application. However, an analogy in the same application
would be designing a brake pedal that doesn't work or fails. Faults
affecting safety are not unknown in the auto industry (Pinto, tyres,
rollovers)

I'm sure you can design a fail-safe system for the brakes. Whether
you'd want to though.......

=======================

A friend told me he put a BIG padlock and chain around the steering
wheel/brake pedal of his commercial truck after hearing how easy it
was to remove The Club

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2002\11\18@200202 by David Minkler

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Bob Blick wrote:

> The systems offered by car manufacturers seem to work pretty well. My car
> has an RF chip in the key. It doesn't matter what you do, the car is not
> going to start unless you have one of the trusted keys, and making it
> accept a new trusted key requires you to have two already trusted keys.

That's nice.  Not very useful for those of us not buying new cars
though.

<snip>

> But I suppose if you get your jollies fantasizing about how you're going
> to take revenge on evildoers, your system has the edge.
>
> -Bob

"get your jollies fantasizing..."?  Actually, I thought Jinx's original
suggestion was rather tame and he did limit it to "safe, legal and
annoying."

Dave

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2002\11\18@201028 by Bob Blick

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> That's nice.  Not very useful for those of us not buying new cars
> though.

Nothing to stop you from making a clever ignition lockout based on the
same idea.

> "get your jollies fantasizing..."?  Actually, I thought Jinx's original
> suggestion was rather tame and he did limit it to "safe, legal and
> annoying."

Squirting liquids within the car? I suppose not just animals mark their
territory :)

Cheerful regards,

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2002\11\18@205204 by Jinx

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> > "get your jollies fantasizing..."?  Actually, I thought Jinx's original
> > suggestion was rather tame and he did limit it to "safe, legal and
> > annoying."
>
> Squirting liquids within the car? I suppose not just animals mark
> their territory :)
>
> Cheerful regards,
>
> Bob

I hadn't thought of it in Freudian terms. I'm just a basic kinda
guy, y'know. But we all do it in one way or another. If anyone has
seen "Big" (Tom Hanks), you'd know how grossly a water-pistol
can be used

Now, I'm already clearly identifiable as a (relatively harmless)
perverted reprobate/nutcase so I'll admit to peeing on the
neighbour's cat that kept on spraying in my outside workshop
to mark "its" territory

It was one of those days and I couldn't take that stink anymore so
I thought, OK, let's see how _you_ like it. Cat has not reoffended.
Considering how cats clean themselves I almost felt sorry for it.
Almost

================================

Just dug that hole a little deeper haven't I

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2002\11\19@004941 by Bob Blick

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On 19 Nov 2002 at 14:49, Jinx wrote:

> Now, I'm already clearly identifiable as a (relatively harmless)
> perverted reprobate/nutcase so I'll admit to peeing on the
> neighbour's cat that kept on spraying in my outside workshop
> to mark "its" territory

Let's suppose you have a _very_ benign squirting mechanism in your
car, say water-based ink that you can neutralize, so later you can
"unmark" your car.

The thief is in your car, has gathered up your cellphone, palm pilot, and
2 meter transceiver, when the alarm triggers, and he gets squirted.

How do your precious electronic gadgets escape this watering?

It's probably best not to leave those type of tasties in your car in the first
place, but you'll do it some time...

Cheers,

Bob

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2002\11\19@044139 by Alan B. Pearce

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>Not to mention the sensors on doors and trunk that can tell
>if it's a key opening the car as opposed to something else.

Oh you mean it is not a Peugeot 406 or a Volkswagen :))

There has been an expose here in the UK on the consumer rights program
"Watchdog" of problems with these vehicles having an extremely large number
of break-ins.

On the Peugeot, it is possible to get into the boot (trunk for our stateside
friends) by leaning on it somewhere, and then pushing the release. The
impression I got is that pressure in the right place managed to push the
mechanical lock to the unlock position, allowing the boot to be opened.

On the Volkswagen, pulling on the door handle while fiddling with the lock
somehow worked the central locking and wound down the windows, all in one
action!! In one incident cited, the thief pulled up beside target vehicle,
lent out window, fiddled locks lent through now open window on target
vehicle, went through contents of glove box, got out of car, opened target
boot, stole set of golf clubs, back in own vehicle and left scene, elapsed
time 9 seconds, as checked on the security video.

I have also heard a story about a businessman who managed to lock himself
out of an expensive Mercedes. Standing by car pondering situation and along
come a couple of kids. They offer to get into car for a tenner. Businessman
reckons it cannot be done, but they are insistent. Finally he says they can
have a tenner if they can get in without damaging the car. One kid grabs a
reasonable size rock, slides under car and whacks electronics box
underneath. Central locking suddenly leaps into life and unlocks doors.
Apparently there is a G sensor that unlocks the doors in the event of an
accident, and the electronics box containing it is mounted on the underneath
of the car. :))

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2002\11\19@112245 by David Minkler

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Jinx wrote:

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> ... so I'll admit to peeing on the neighbour's cat that kept on spraying in my outside workshop
> to mark "its" territory

My hero! LOL

Thanks,
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2002\11\19@114553 by David Minkler

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Bob Blick wrote:
>
> The thief is in your car, has gathered up your cellphone, palm pilot, and
> 2 meter transceiver, when the alarm triggers, and he gets squirted.
>
> How do your precious electronic gadgets escape this watering?
>
> It's probably best not to leave those type of tasties in your car in the first
> place, but you'll do it some time...

All true.  On the other hand, the goodies were toast the moment the
thief saw them.  Realistically, we have two choices here.  Do we let the
insurance cover the car and contents (eating the deductible) or do we do
something to discourage the thief (perhaps making it easier for law
enforcement to aid in said discouragement) from doing it again (probably
also letting the insurance do its work)?  Personally, I liked the "Perry
Como Christmas music on the loudspeaker" idea.

Regards,

Dave

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2002\11\19@180224 by Jinx

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> The thief is in your car, has gathered up your cellphone, palm pilot,
> and 2 meter transceiver, when the alarm triggers, and he gets squirted
>
> How do your precious electronic gadgets escape this watering?
>
> It's probably best not to leave those type of tasties in your car in the
> first place, but you'll do it some time...

Well, that's always the advice - don't leave valuables on show. As I
don't have any valuables that shouldn't be a problem. The only thing
left is the stereo and a tuffboy bracket can be made for that. But I've
heard of break-ins JFTHOI, which you can't avoid. It just makes you
feel a little better that at least you tried not to be a victim

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2002\11\19@180830 by William Chops Westfield

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I said this a while ago.  When you're implementing your car security device,
you have to have a real clear understanding of whether you're preventing the
car from being stolen, or preventing things from being stolen from the car.
A car, having glass windows, is fundamentally rather unsecurable.  If someone
wants to get in, they can, and anything removable inside the car is gone.
Protecting the car itself from being stolen is compartively easy, but you
have to understand that THAT is all you are doing...
Protecting a car from being damaged is just about impossible...

BillW

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2002\11\19@183656 by Jinx

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> There has been an expose here in the UK on the consumer rights
> program "Watchdog" of problems with these vehicles having an
> extremely large number of break-ins.

One scene I'll never forget was a cocky pudgy boy racer so
engrossed in telling the reporter how impregnable his car
(behind him) was that he didn't even hear the two hired scruffs
get in and steal it in seconds. The look on his face when the
reporter asked him to turn around was a true Kodak moment

Which just goes to prove you need to present the thief with the
unexpected. If they've got any street smarts they'll move on to
something easier

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2002\11\19@184101 by Jonathan Johnson

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Yes but I think its much better to turn it round a bit and make the vehicles
assailant have to think about damage to themselves if they damage your
car......."the best defence is an offense"principle hold true very often


Jonathan


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2002\11\19@190213 by William Chops Westfield

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   Which just goes to prove you need to present the thief with the
   unexpected. If they've got any street smarts they'll move on to
   something easier

Ah, well.  There you go.  Big sticker that says "protected by high voltage
and poison gas."  It's quite illegal to actually DO that, but there are
clearly people on both sides of the sticker who don't know that, and people
who are crazy enough to do it anyway, and "street smarts" says maybe you
should pick another car...

:-)
BillW

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2002\11\19@191019 by William Chops Westfield

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>>    Big sticker that says "protected by high voltage and poison gas."

Oh yeah.  Extra points for SIMULATED high voltage and poison gas!  Love to
see the look on some perp's face when jacobs-ladder-like noises start to
come from the dash and misty-smoky "stuff" starts spraying out the AC vents.

:-)
BillW

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2002\11\19@191853 by 4HAZ

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----- From: "William Chops Westfield" <billw@

> >>    Big sticker that says "protected by high voltage and poison gas."
>
> Oh yeah.  Extra points for SIMULATED high voltage and poison gas!  Love to
> see the look on some perp's face when jacobs-ladder-like noises start to
> come from the dash and misty-smoky "stuff" starts spraying out the AC vents.
>
>  :-)
> BillW
How about some protection for open jeeps?
Like maybe a Speech synth that says something like
"PERIMETER VIOLATION STAND BACK OR BE SHOT!"
and then a machinegun raises from the rear and tracks body heat...

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2002\11\19@205213 by Russell McMahon

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> Protecting a car from being damaged is just about impossible...

WARNING:    This vehicle contains

- Antipersonnel systems liable to make intruders lives much less enjoyable
for a substantial period after encounter.

- A number of solid-state cameras logging all surrounding activity to a
fully armoured video recorder. This unit is designed to survive destruction
of the vehicle if necessary. Please smile.


This would, of course, be seen as a challenge. You'd better ensure the
armoured recorder really exists and works as intended when they burn your
car :-)


       RM


PS    "What a mess. Have you been able to identify them? The petrol tank
must have exploded when they torched the car. Who would have thought ?"

[[Of course not, but it may help give vent to some repressed anger ......
:-) ]]

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2002\11\19@205423 by Jinx

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> >>    Big sticker that says "protected by high voltage and poison gas."
>
> Oh yeah.  Extra points for SIMULATED high voltage and poison gas!
> Love to see the look on some perp's face when jacobs-ladder-like noises
> start to come from the dash and misty-smoky "stuff" starts spraying out
> the AC vents
>  :-)
> BillW

High-pitched whine from the flash unit on a disposable camera
(free if you ask a film processor) might get them thinking. And
a small smoke generator under the hood. Perhaps even the smoke
illuminated by a green LED as it's blown out of a vent, in the best
tradition of the worst B-grade sci-fi flick. If nothing else it'll make
them wonder what the hell they've broken into

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2002\11\19@210307 by Jonathan Johnson

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Hey Jinx ur gunna like this......


has anybody else heard about the effect of a 12-13hz sound on the human
body?
if u get the frequency right it knocks u out (coma more to the point)
.....just off frequency it gives u a migraine in seconds....and makes the
human stomach resonate having the effect of making you spew your guts all
over the place uncontrollably for round half an hour

thought it may have application if you don't mind a bit of heaavy duty
cleaning ;-)

one of my teachers from yrs ago was involved in a study on it.....resonant
frequencies of diff parts of the human anatomy....

hehehe nasty eh

cheers

JJ

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2002\11\19@210705 by Jonathan Johnson

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LMAO......just pictured this with the effect of my next post....would put
most car thieves in a mental hospital....lol

JJ

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2002\11\19@210928 by Jinx

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> - A number of solid-state cameras logging all surrounding activity
> to a fully armoured video recorder. This unit is designed to survive
> destruction of the vehicle if necessary. Please smile.
>
> This would, of course, be seen as a challenge. You'd better ensure
> the armoured recorder really exists and works as intended

Had thought about that. The in-car camera can send the pictures
by RF to a receiver + RAM concealed away from the car. It needs
only to be matchbox size, must be plenty of places within 10ft of a
car you could secrete it. Maybe even under the car in the gutter. It
could look like anything too. A lo-res 128 x 128 pixels picture is not
a lot of information to send (2k bytes), could be done very quickly

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2002\11\19@211721 by Jinx

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> has anybody else heard about the effect of a 12-13hz sound
> on the human body ?

Some police forces use infra-sound or have tried it for crowd
control with the effects you describe. I don't know the size of
the transducer though

> thought it may have application if you don't mind a bit of heavy
> duty cleaning ;-)

I'll just pretend I'm a Saturday night taxi driver and get on with it

If you really could make them queasy then introduce a few smells
to cap off a memorable night

> one of my teachers from yrs ago was involved in a study on it.....
> resonant frequencies of diff parts of the human anatomy....

I've heard that career truck drivers suffer all sorts of soft-tissue
and organ ailments caused by infra-sound

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2002\11\19@212803 by Jonathan Johnson

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speaking of which....what is the law on the use of it? can we do it? or is
it considered something along the lines of malicious assault or malicious
bodily harm?
we all kno it IS but how does the law see it?

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2002\11\19@214640 by Jinx

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> speaking of which....what is the law on the use of it? can we do it?
> or is it considered something along the lines of malicious assault
> or malicious bodily harm? we all kno it IS but how does the law
> see it?

Trial by jury and you'd walk

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2002\11\19@215548 by Dave King

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At 01:26 PM 20/11/02 +1000, you wrote:
>speaking of which....what is the law on the use of it? can we do it? or is
>it considered something along the lines of malicious assault or malicious
>bodily harm?
>we all kno it IS but how does the law see it?

Thats easy to get around just borrow a step from Microsoft....

"By opening this package you hear by agree to......"

Just need a little sticker on the window ;-]

Dave

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2002\11\19@221930 by cdb

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What about that nice new army truck just unveiled by the DAC
corporation?

It has mace spray, stun grenades, tyre puncturers the lot! Only 1
model in existence U$1M or if in production U$100K - modeled on James
Bond DB2 gizmo's.  Should Bin Ladle apply for one?

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2002\11\19@224903 by SM Ling

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Instead of protecting the car from being stolen, protect the whole
neighbourhood.

Get rid of the people that steal (provided they are not too many and your
car is cheap), guess everyone is busy thinking of all kinds of possible
implementations now.

Now it is adding additional dimension of fun to the electronics project.

Cheers, Ling SM

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2002\11\19@234643 by robert nelson

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Years ago I saw a car setting open on a chicago street.  It had a sign
on the dash that said " I AM AN ENFORCER FOR THE MOB. IF YOU DO NOT
BELIEVE THIS JUST TOUCH THIS CAR AND FIND OUT." It sat in the area for
the whole week with the windows open and no one went closer then to read
the sign and shy away from it.

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2002\11\19@235521 by Jinx

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> Instead of protecting the car from being stolen, protect the
> whole neighbourhood.
>
> Get rid of the people that steal

Haha. They're already in the "bad" parts of town. But when
they're done stealing off their own they start exploring

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2002\11\20@004037 by Jinx

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> Years ago I saw a car setting open on a chicago street.  It had
> a sign on the dash that said " I AM AN ENFORCER FOR THE
> MOB. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THIS JUST TOUCH THIS
> CAR AND FIND OUT."  It sat in the area for the whole week
> with the windows open and no one went closer then to read
> the sign and shy away from it

Saddam Hussein is said to have decreed a fancy golden public
drinking chalice in a small village as "unstealable", under pain of
who-knows-what. And so far it is. I'm not sure who's resolve I'd
rather test - The Mob (who of course don't exist ;-) ) or Hussein

There was an Aussie song ages ago called The Newcastle Song
(I think) in which 4 blokes out for a night on the town get "monstered
by a 9ft tall Hell's Angel". One of them leans out the car and says
cockily "You know who you're pickin' ?" While he's thinking about it,
off they go into the traffic. Nothing wrong with a well-placed bluff,
but get ready to run for it if it gets called

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2002\11\20@030827 by William Chops Westfield

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   Instead of protecting the car from being stolen, protect the whole
   neighbourhood.    Get rid of the people that steal ...

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20021117

Anyone got a cracked copy of...  Oh, never mind.

BillW

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2002\11\20@053736 by Alan B. Pearce

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>and then a machinegun raises from the rear and tracks body heat...

Oh you mean you have already seen the new James Bond film ..........

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2002\11\20@061054 by Roman Black

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William Chops Westfield wrote:

> Ah, well.  There you go.  Big sticker that says "protected by high voltage
> and poison gas."  It's quite illegal to actually DO that, but there are
> clearly people on both sides of the sticker who don't know that, and people
> who are crazy enough to do it anyway, and "street smarts" says maybe you
> should pick another car...


What about Jinx' idea of the "in your face"
liquid squirters, but instead of ink you can
squirt a couple of pints of gasoline all over
the car thieves...

Then a loud recorded message; "Ignition in
TEN seconds, NINE, EIGHT..."

I don't think they will be hanging around long
enough to steal the stereo. <grin>
-Roman

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2002\11\20@064353 by Alan B. Pearce

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>What about Jinx' idea of the "in your face"
>liquid squirters, but instead of ink you can
>squirt a couple of pints of gasoline all over
>the car thieves...
>
>Then a loud recorded message; "Ignition in
>TEN seconds, NINE, EIGHT..."
>
>I don't think they will be hanging around long
>enough to steal the stereo. <grin>

Pity that the smell of petrol lingers so long, this set me thinking, would
you go diving into a car which produced the smell of petrol when you opened
the door?

A small amount in a dish some where, just enough to evaporate and leave the
odour, without being enough to produce a combustible mixture..... Maybe add
it to the smoke fluid :)))

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2002\11\20@081239 by Michael Rigby-Jones

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> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:42 AM
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>
> Pity that the smell of petrol lingers so long, this set me thinking, would
> you go diving into a car which produced the smell of petrol when you
> opened
> the door?
>
*I* wouldn't, but think you overestimate the intelligence and general common
sense of the average thieving scumbag. :o)

Mike

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2002\11\20@085809 by Dal Wheeler

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As a teenager I worked for a used car dealership as an automobile detailer.
There was a fellow who traded in a station wagon that had actually been used
to haul pigs around.  It'd be *very* unlikely that anyone would steal that
car; un-intelligent thief or not.
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2002\11\20@101954 by 4HAZ

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----- From: "Jinx" <joecolquitt@
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> If you really could make them queasy then introduce a few smells
> to cap off a memorable night
Almond extract has the same odor as cyanide gas...
Learned this while working with ferrocyanide which if the PH falls below a certain point (becomes acidic, or is mixed with an acid) releases cyanide gas, strong warning when working with this stuff, if you smell almonds get away fast.
Lonnie - KF4HAZ -

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2002\11\20@103423 by Dale Botkin

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On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, David Minkler wrote:

> Bob Blick wrote:
>
> > The systems offered by car manufacturers seem to work pretty well. My car
> > has an RF chip in the key. It doesn't matter what you do, the car is not
> > going to start unless you have one of the trusted keys, and making it
> > accept a new trusted key requires you to have two already trusted keys.
>
> That's nice.  Not very useful for those of us not buying new cars
> though.

Doesn't need to be new.  Mine's five years old and has that, it was a
lower-end model, and it certainly wasn't the first year it was implemented
by this particular manufacturer.  I do see your point, though, if your
present vehicle doesn't have anything similar and you don't plan on
replacing it any time soon.

Dale

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2002\11\20@104458 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Jinx wrote:

> a small smoke generator under the hood. Perhaps even the smoke
> illuminated by a green LED as it's blown out of a vent, in the best
> tradition of the worst B-grade sci-fi flick. If nothing else it'll make
> them wonder what the hell they've broken into

As will a windbreaker with law-enforcement markings...  maybe a badge and
holster left partially hidden.  Not a lot of cop cars get stolen.

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2002\11\20@105459 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Alan B. Pearce wrote:

> >and then a machinegun raises from the rear and tracks body heat...
>
> Oh you mean you have already seen the new James Bond film ..........

Hmm...  what good would it do to have a machine gun tracking Halle Berry
wherever she went?  ;) (talk about body heat!)

Dale

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2002\11\20@105705 by Dale Botkin

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On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, FalconWireless Tech Support - KF4HAZ wrote:

> Almond extract has the same odor as cyanide gas...

Neither of which your typical dumb-as-rocks car theif is likely to be
familiar with.

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2002\11\20@105706 by Mike Poulton

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Dale Botkin wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Jinx wrote:
> As will a windbreaker with law-enforcement markings...  maybe a badge and
> holster left partially hidden.  Not a lot of cop cars get stolen.

That's wonderful!  Nothing like an FBI jacket to make a thief wet
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2002\11\20@174755 by Philip Pemberton

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Jinx wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for the car suggestions. Something(s) that
> draw attention seem to be the go. Smoke generator, a very
> noisy siren in/out of the car, dyes. The last thing a thief wants is
> everybody looking. It will be very easy to make a bespoke design
> tamper-proof too - no "I know how to get around this alarm"
Now I'm going to throw my 2p into the well. How about a 7805 regulator with
its output pin shorted to GND. Then put a bit of hot melt glue on the back
and mix some foul smelling stuff into it while it's setting. Power it up and
use a 40mm fan to suck the foul-smelling air into the car's AC system. Make
sure that once the thing trips, turning it off would involve removing the
battery cables.
Anyone seen those "Fart Gas" cans available at most joke shops (though I'd
hardly call them a joke). Trust me - those things STINK. How do I know?
Someone discharged half a can of the stuff on one of my wall-warts. Said
wall-wart was disposed of due to the unbearable smell, especially when it
was powered up.

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2002\11\20@190955 by Benjamin Bromilow

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I heard this quote on the radio recently (true story apparently)....
Bloke goes to the football to watch a game. Two kids come up to him and
offer to "watch" his car for him. He points to the big Alsatian in the back
of the car and says "don't worry, he looks after my car for me". First kid
looks at the second and goes "wow, a dog that can put out fires".....
Can't remember who it happened to.......
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2002\11\20@204100 by 4HAZ

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Another approach uses no sticker, no alarm, no "anti start switch", nothing obvious.
I had a truck that had a neutral safety switch and a clutch switch (the result of changing from a 3 speed to a 4 speed. If it was started with both clutch down and in neutral everything was normal. But if started in neutral without pressing the clutch, or started in gear with the clutch pressed, a circuit was activated which gradually began to reduce power to the coil. Results it started ok, but before you could get out of the parking lot it would be misfiring and backfiring to the point it became undriveable. This made it appear not worth stealing. It was a fairly simple circuit, the key was a high power "P"channel mosfet source to B+ Drain to Coil+ Gate to a cap that was slowly charged through a resistor, when the Gate was no longer below the Source the Drain was fully open, but the cool part was while the mosfet was acting as a voltage controlled resistor and had it misfiring.
$.02 Lonnie - KF4HAZ -

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2002\11\21@154011 by Benjamin Bromilow

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>
> I've heard that career truck drivers suffer all sorts of soft-tissue
> and organ ailments caused by infra-sound
>

Certainly they have very low sperm counts but that's supposed to be due to
very unhealthy diets (greasy spoon food), smoking, STDs and sitting on their
testicles all day heating them up.........

Ben

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2002\11\22@053106 by Jinx

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> > I've heard that career truck drivers suffer all sorts of soft-tissue
> > and organ ailments caused by infra-sound
> >
>
> Certainly they have very low sperm counts but that's supposed to
> be due to very unhealthy diets (greasy spoon food), smoking, STDs
> and sitting on their testicles all day heating them up.........
>
> Ben

Oh, I didn't realise many of them are hauling Jaffas. As a born-
again cyclist I soon found out that could be one of the down sides
so I redesigned my saddle

http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/boms.html

Both of these work very well, the second is the one in use at the
moment (for about a year). It gets some looks when parked, but
looks don't make you ache ;-)

There's a commercial version of the first saddle, which I didn't know
about until after I'd thought mine up

http://www.spongywonder.com/testimonials.html

"testimonials" is an interesting choice of words - the origin of it
is similar to "hand on heart", if you get my drift

Although there aren't any PICs on-board yet, after studying the gear
ratios maybe there's a place for automatic selection. On a 3-front
7-back set of sprockets there's so much overlap between the ratios
it makes it tricky doing a smooth transition from low to high manually
without a lot of lever flicking

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2002\11\22@061001 by Benjamin Bromilow

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I can imagine the seats (yours and the commercial) might get some funny
looks!
Love the testi moaners... sorry testimonials....
A bit dubious about....

"In the male rider, single platform bicycle seats contribute to the development
of prostate cancer and cause penile numbness and impotency because the male
rider's weight is being used against him to permanently compress, and in
some cases even crush, the arteries and nerves in his perineum (the area
between the rectum and genitals)."

I wonder if they got any evidence for this.... Perhaps I'm just too used
to looking through documents with the references are at the bottom. Perhaps
where they got it from (sorry, still perineally fixated!!!).....
At least now I can blame my bicycle seat rather than
"...very unhealthy diets (greasy spoon food), smoking, STDs and sitting
on their testicles all day heating them up........."!!!

Ben

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>From:         Jinx <.....joecolquitt@spam@spamEraseMECLEAR.NET.NZ>
>Oh, I didn't realise many of them are hauling Jaffas. As a born-
>again cyclist I soon found out that could be one of the down sides
>so I redesigned my saddle
>
>http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/boms.html
>
........
>
>http://www.spongywonder.com/testimonials.html
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2002\11\22@063640 by Jinx

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> I can imagine the seats (yours and the commercial) might get
> some funny looks!

All I know is, it's damn comfy, and warm too. In a hilly city like
Auckland you don't get relief even going downhill on a normal
saddle. It's so much nicer sitting back and enjoying the coast.
Ideally I'd like it spring-mounted for extra comfort, Auckland
roads are pretty crappy - maybe during the summer break I'll
get busy

The jocks I see in their yellow/black skin-tight spandex never look
very happy. Neither would I with those skinny hard banana seats,
no wonder they always seem to be grimacing and serious-looking

> Love the testi moaners... sorry testimonials....
> A bit dubious about....

> "In the male rider, single platform bicycle seats contribute to the
> development of prostate cancer and cause penile numbness and
> impotency because the male rider's weight is being used against

It may be true, maybe not. I read articles about Lance Armstrong's
illnesses and some comments by other professional riders seem
to suggest that  they accept trouble "down there" as an occupational
hazard

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2002\11\22@072839 by Benjamin Bromilow

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You can certainly get penile numbness from long bicycle rides but it tends
to be short lived after the ride. I've not heard of impotence or prostate
problems. I'm searching the books at work though... I might start walking
again!!!

Ben

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>Subject:      Re: [OT]: Dude, where's my car ? Oh, that green guy's got
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2002\11\22@142958 by Peter L. Peres

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Benjamin Bromilow wrote:

*>You can certainly get penile numbness from long bicycle rides but it tends
*>to be short lived after the ride. I've not heard of impotence or prostate
*>problems. I'm searching the books at work though... I might start walking
*>again!!!

Apparently laptops are mooore dangerous than bicycles:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/11/22/health.laptop.reut/index.html

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