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I concur with that assessment whole heartedly. I trust Mark more than I trust myself <WRY GRIN> Re: Easy ways to seen a few bucks to someone. So far I've been able to find the following: WesternUnion.com costs and arm and both legs. $15/transation PLUS $10/out of country PLUS etc.... PayPal.com is great but does not work outside the us. i-escrow.com does work outside the us, but only (apparently) by mailing a check from the us and it costs $2.50 to do it and is kind of a pain. Postal money orders are a total pain in the ass but may be the only way to go. One must physically go to the Post Office and buy the order (small fee), mail the physical item (small fee), wait for a few weeks, and then the person on the other end must take it to their bank, etc... Amazingly in this day and age that one cannot "just do it" via the web. So... here is what I recommend: We ask Mark nicely if he can open a PayPal account and set up one of their "Buy it" links for me to post on PICList.com. Each person who clicks on the link will sign up with PayPal (with Mark as the referrer so he gets PayPals $5 per new account for his trouble) and they will each donate whatever they like. After a month (or when it seems appropriate) Mark will do the money order or whatever to get the funds to Wouter. And hopefully, we will get some cool new features in WISP, WLoader and/or JAL for our efforts, besides the nice feeling of having given credit where it is due. I'd also like to suggest that Mark set one up for Tony Nixon (for the Engine, ROMZap, etc...), Scott Dattalo (for gpsim and some really good code), and Jory (for starting the list). If I've missed any other really big contributors who are not getting paid for what they have done, please let me know. And Mark, if you don't want to, I will, so don't feel like I'm putting you on the spot totally here. Now listen, I'm not saying that everyone should chip in right this instant and pay these people "their due" but I, for one, have wanted to send a few bucks to each of these people as a way of saying "thank you" and to encourage them to continue doing what they do for the PICList. And I think the PICList admins should encourage that by making it possible (since it doesn't seem to be; at least not in a cost effecting and private way) and, in fact, easy. Are we together on this? --- James Newton (PICList Admin #3) spam_OUTjamesnewtonTakeThisOuTpiclist.com 1-619-652-0593 PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org {Original Message removed}

One thing worth mentioning: Typically money orders are expensive to cash in other countries, on the order of $5 to $20. Cash is the cheapest to convert, but not the best to send (and often against some customs rules). If possible, the best route is to use credit cards. If the recipient can accept credit cards, the charge is very minimal compared to nearly any other method. Currency exchange is also handled without charge through credit cards. If we are buying him equipment, we could also just buy it and have it drop shipped to him (whether from a local merchant or not), paying with a credit card. (set up an X.Com account, transfer the money from paypal to x.com, and buy the equipment with the x.com direct draw charge card.) On a related note, Microsoft is setting up an international money transaction system of sorts that enables you to route money from one account to another, any bank, anywhere. They are said to be developing some sort of adaptive transaction routing that finds the cheapest route between the two banks (somewhat like tcp/ip routing), and also enabling it to become redundant... Should be interesting, I imagine the fees are going to be cheaper than what is available now, but not too cheap. -Adam James Newton wrote: {Quote hidden}> > I concur with that assessment whole heartedly. I trust Mark more than I > trust myself <WRY GRIN> > > Re: Easy ways to seen a few bucks to someone. So far I've been able to find > the following: > > WesternUnion.com costs and arm and both legs. $15/transation PLUS $10/out of > country PLUS etc.... > > PayPal.com is great but does not work outside the us. > > i-escrow.com does work outside the us, but only (apparently) by mailing a > check from the us and it costs $2.50 to do it and is kind of a pain. > > Postal money orders are a total pain in the ass but may be the only way to > go. One must physically go to the Post Office and buy the order (small fee), > mail the physical item (small fee), wait for a few weeks, and then the > person on the other end must take it to their bank, etc... > > Amazingly in this day and age that one cannot "just do it" via the web. > > So... here is what I recommend: We ask Mark nicely if he can open a PayPal > account and set up one of their "Buy it" links for me to post on > PICList.com. Each person who clicks on the link will sign up with PayPal > (with Mark as the referrer so he gets PayPals $5 per new account for his > trouble) and they will each donate whatever they like. After a month (or > when it seems appropriate) Mark will do the money order or whatever to get > the funds to Wouter. And hopefully, we will get some cool new features in > WISP, WLoader and/or JAL for our efforts, besides the nice feeling of having > given credit where it is due. > > I'd also like to suggest that Mark set one up for Tony Nixon (for the > Engine, ROMZap, etc...), Scott Dattalo (for gpsim and some really good > code), and Jory (for starting the list). If I've missed any other really big > contributors who are not getting paid for what they have done, please let me > know. And Mark, if you don't want to, I will, so don't feel like I'm putting > you on the spot totally here. > > Now listen, I'm not saying that everyone should chip in right this instant > and pay these people "their due" but I, for one, have wanted to send a few > bucks to each of these people as a way of saying "thank you" and to > encourage them to continue doing what they do for the PICList. And I think > the PICList admins should encourage that by making it possible (since it > doesn't seem to be; at least not in a cost effecting and private way) and, > in fact, easy. > > Are we together on this? > > --- > James Newton (PICList Admin #3) > .....jamesnewtonKILLspam@spam@piclist.com 1-619-652-0593 > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org > > {Original Message removed}

"M. Adam Davis" wrote: > If possible, the best route is to use credit cards. If the recipient can accept > credit cards, the charge is very minimal compared to nearly any other method. > Currency exchange is also handled without charge through credit cards. Credit cards are a good idea for this purpose. They incur a 3% (depending on amount and size of transactions) fee from the banks. One other thing is that a credit machine may not accept a card from one particular country to another. I find VISA is a problem here. In this case a signature is required and a trip to the local bank to complete the transaction. If Mark has too much on his plate to handle this task, I've got a credit facillity online that spends most of it's time in the off position and don't mind helping out. If Wouter has a credit card then the funds can be transferred directly to it. Come to think of it, that's the way money works for me. In one hand and straight out the other. > I imagine the fees are going to be cheaper than what is > available now, but not too cheap. Only until everyone starts using it. -- Best regards Tony mICro's http://www.picnpoke.com EraseMEsalesspam_OUTTakeThisOuTpicnpoke.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics

Hmmm... Willing, Able, though busy in work search <G> If anyone sends me money via any route, I can forward it (I'll have to get an address to send it to, think I can manage that. Just specify what it's for, please, so I don't get confused <G>) Oh, also please specify whether you want to do this "Covertly" or "Overtly" so when I pass this on I know whether to list your name and amount, or just name, or put you down as "Anonymous". Anything to make things work. Mark James Newton wrote: {Quote hidden}> I concur with that assessment whole heartedly. I trust Mark more than I > trust myself <WRY GRIN> > > Re: Easy ways to seen a few bucks to someone. So far I've been able to find > the following: > > WesternUnion.com costs and arm and both legs. $15/transation PLUS $10/out of > country PLUS etc.... > > PayPal.com is great but does not work outside the us. > > i-escrow.com does work outside the us, but only (apparently) by mailing a > check from the us and it costs $2.50 to do it and is kind of a pain. > > Postal money orders are a total pain in the ass but may be the only way to > go. One must physically go to the Post Office and buy the order (small fee), > mail the physical item (small fee), wait for a few weeks, and then the > person on the other end must take it to their bank, etc... > > Amazingly in this day and age that one cannot "just do it" via the web. > > So... here is what I recommend: We ask Mark nicely if he can open a PayPal > account and set up one of their "Buy it" links for me to post on > PICList.com. Each person who clicks on the link will sign up with PayPal > (with Mark as the referrer so he gets PayPals $5 per new account for his > trouble) and they will each donate whatever they like. After a month (or > when it seems appropriate) Mark will do the money order or whatever to get > the funds to Wouter. And hopefully, we will get some cool new features in > WISP, WLoader and/or JAL for our efforts, besides the nice feeling of having > given credit where it is due. > > I'd also like to suggest that Mark set one up for Tony Nixon (for the > Engine, ROMZap, etc...), Scott Dattalo (for gpsim and some really good > code), and Jory (for starting the list). If I've missed any other really big > contributors who are not getting paid for what they have done, please let me > know. And Mark, if you don't want to, I will, so don't feel like I'm putting > you on the spot totally here. > > Now listen, I'm not saying that everyone should chip in right this instant > and pay these people "their due" but I, for one, have wanted to send a few > bucks to each of these people as a way of saying "thank you" and to > encourage them to continue doing what they do for the PICList. And I think > the PICList admins should encourage that by making it possible (since it > doesn't seem to be; at least not in a cost effecting and private way) and, > in fact, easy. > > Are we together on this? > > --- > James Newton (PICList Admin #3) > jamesnewtonspam_OUTpiclist.com 1-619-652-0593 > PIC/PICList FAQ: http://www.piclist.com or .org > > {Original Message removed}